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2024 Predictions-
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^Yeah, I'm in the same boat.

Sports:
Yep - The Cards continue to play like crap.
Nope - The Blues turn it around.
Nope - City StL wins the division again, and goes a bit deeper in the playoffs, but probably still comes up short.
Nope - The Battlebudgies win it all.

Some not sports:
Nope - We land a second TATL, most likely a lower cost carrier.
Nope - The super powered incentive bill passes. (That's kind of a dream, but there's a few little things in it that might grease the way.)
I don't think so - We see an uptick in major music tours, thanks to the new Chesterfield studio. (Should probably figure out how many we had this year to see what an uptick would look like, but . . . I bet we'll have one.)

I'm honestly not 100% on the concert question, but it looks to me like 2024 was a bit of a down year. 2023 was a pretty big concert year at the dome, and maybe also the arena. 2024 looks to have been down quite a bit at both. On the other hand, the production facility on which this whole thing was predicated got delayed.

And there was one last bit thrown in later; that the airport redesign would keep ticking along on schedule. No demo before late 2025. That's come out about fine. It's still a ways to demo, I think, but they do appear to be moving forward adequately. So 2025 . . .

Seeing the low cost TATL Airline, I just noticed a newer low cost provider formed from former WOW executives - Play.  Looks like Iceland is again their focus city.  4 US airports right now (BWI, IAD, BOS and SWF (New York Stewart).  Maybe we can lure them back here.

1) it will be proven Trump won in 2020, total election fraud
2) Fauci will stand trial
3) Tishaura will win in an “unexplained” landslide
4) Zero talks/plans about city/county merger.

Otherwise, 2025 will be stupendous !

it is always the 61st court case that wins after 60 straight loses on the 2020 election. 

1. Boeing wins the NGAD and the NoCo campus investment goes bonkers.

2. The renovated convention center fully opens to very positive reviews. Convention Center bookings get even stronger.

3. Cardinals announce something wrt to BPV.

4. St. Louis County’s financial position continues to deteriorate.

1 AHM development breaks ground
2 Gateway South breaks ground w rehab of Crunden Martin bldg. 
3 Brickline Greenway Segment opens on Market Street. 
4 20th St, Tucker Blvd cycle track, tower grove connector, and Brickline on N Grand start construction. 
5 Repaving arterials continues 
6 Renderings and design options released for Millenium Hotel redevelopment. 
7 Optimist in the CWE progresses. 
8 BPV III announcement (finally)?
9 Iris apartments break ground at Cortex
10 A couple Midtown & Grand Center wins w the concert venue on Washington, new construction apartments, and Powell Hall expansion completed. 
11 City finds a developer for Railway Exchange. 
12 Jeff Arms opens to rave reviews.


General: I think we'll see more clarity in the office market sector post-covid. 2025 will be a big year for infrastructure projects, and hopefully a start on some of these delayed multifamily projects. 

dylank wrote: ↑

Dec 26, 2024

1 AHM development breaks ground
2 Gateway South breaks ground w rehab of Crunden Martin bldg. 
3 Brickline Greenway Segment opens on Market Street. 
4 20th St, Tucker Blvd cycle track, tower grove connector, and Brickline on N Grand start construction. 
5 Repaving arterials continues 
6 Renderings and design options released for Millenium Hotel redevelopment. 
7 Optimist in the CWE progresses. 
8 BPV III announcement (finally)?
9 Iris apartments break ground at Cortex
10 A couple Midtown & Grand Center wins w the concert venue on Washington, new construction apartments, and Powell Hall expansion completed. 
11 City finds a developer for Railway Exchange. 
12 Jeff Arms opens to rave reviews.


General: I think we'll see more clarity in the office market sector post-covid. 2025 will be a big year for infrastructure projects, and hopefully a start on some of these delayed multifamily projects. 

Not really going on the limb with some of those….like we know AHM is breaking ground, we know that the market segment will open and we know that 20th street with start since the contract was awarded Dec 10th (it will
Start after Raineri finishes 7th street in the spring) Same for TG connector, its been awarded

Trying to keep my predictions to realities this year. I was 13/48 last year!

And those realities sound pretty good to me.

Old Mike and Shannon's space will be leased by Aug 2025.

^ you should amend this and say it will be demolished and turned into parking by end of 2025.  That’s the most likely scenario.   LHM bought it last year for something related to land lease of its hotel

^ not another parking lot...

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Dec 26, 2024

^ you should amend this and say it will be demolished and turned into parking by end of 2025.  That’s the most likely scenario.   LHM bought it last year for something related to land lease of its hotel

I will absolutely lose my mind. There are two 2-block wide, 8 story garages and two block wide 5 story garages immediately nearby.

Spaces like city garden, keiner, brickline greenway will never be bustling if we continue to face them with parking garages.

We show up at the top of lists for amount of downtown land taken by parking. We have so much empty parking space downtown. I have never been to a major city downtown that is easier to park in than StL

I can’t even with this

Agreed. We’re way overparked

I’ll do a prediction just for fun

1. slight movement on ATT building along with renderings
2. Not much movement on Railway X due to infighting
3. TC announces its commitment to BPV 3 set with renderings & potential tallest apartment tower in the St.Louis region
4. South landing begins slow movement of becoming reality
5. Millennium renderings look very impressive
6.No Koplar movement
7. The timber building gets a bit taller
8. City see’s another substantial drop in overall crime
9. Major company to relocate to downtown
10. The old bottle district lot gets a proposal
11. Metro link expansion stalls
12. Cara Spencer becomes the new mayor for short time Jones ask for a recount & wins re election
13. Trump is denied being the president
14. Another potential lockdown occurs due to a widespread deadlier pandemic
15. There’s little talk of city county reunification
16. Cardinals have one of their worst seasons ever
17. Battlehawks win the championship
18. CitySC makes a run for its first MLS title
19. Blues make a blow your mind trade but still miss the playoffs
20. Talks of the NBA Pelicans relocating to St.Louis get louder
21. St.Louis a finalist to get WNBA team
22. 2 new apartment towers proposed for downtown
23. Arch sees record attendance
24. No WW3
25. The country is teetering towards a significant recession due to potentially pandemic outbreak

Let’s all hope for a better year not only for us but for the entire St.Louis region & the country. Till then happy new year


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2025 is going to be a very wierd one. Some predictions...

- Armory re-opens, but the Foundry unexpectedly closes. "How'd that happen?" we all ask as we shake our heads.
- Railway Exchange redevelopment moves forward as the world's largest discotheque. 
- Building permit office adopts the slogan "Go Big or Go Home" and only issues high dollar permits. The 10 permits issued for the year exceed $4B, by far the highest value ever.
- St. Louis University pulls off a very successful April Fool's Joke by teasing renderings of an extremely well planned and exciting mixed-use TOD at the "Iron Hill" site.... at the press conference it announces its real plans for a Super-sized, New Gen QT. 
- Clydesdales go on strike and miss Opening Day festivities.
- On the field, the Red Birds are 20 games back on June 1 but pull a Blues in-season worst to first and win it all.  Someone we've never even heard of yet pitches the Game 4 shut out and hits the winning home run for the World Series sweep.
- Andy Karandzieff files for the Mayor's race at the last moment; wins election by threatening to close down Crown Candy if he loses.
- St. Louis City establishes itself as a hot re-location market for those fleeing high-priced housing markets; however, the New Madrid  Fault blows a gasket in December and, welp.... that's all folks!

1). 909 Chestnut plans out
2.) well known city developer wins the Millenium RFP
3.) Jones wins 54-46 vs Spencer
4.) Thompson Coburn to BVP
5.) Cardinals 88-74
6.) City SC in the playoffs 
7.)  City SC announces plans for its newly acquired properties west of the stadium 
8.) 130 homicides or less. 
9.) well known restaurant/bar operator opens a Wash Ave location 
10.) Arch gets 2.8M visitors 

I asked chat GPT to create some predictions, here is what it came up with:

1. Ongoing Renovations at St. Louis Lambert International Airport

• The airport will continue its modernization efforts, with upgrades to terminals, improved passenger amenities, and an increase in international flights, particularly to Mexico and Canada. These changes will position Lambert as a more competitive regional airport by 2025.

2. Continued Growth of the Cortex Innovation District

• The Cortex district will see steady expansion, with more office buildings and tech-focused companies, particularly in biotech and agtech. New research labs, office spaces, and satellite offices of out-of-town firms will continue to drive the area's growth, establishing St. Louis as a hub for innovation.

3. Gradual North Riverfront Development

• The North Riverfront will undergo incremental improvements, with new green spaces, small-scale commercial developments, and parking facilities. While large-scale redevelopment will take longer, expect the area to begin attracting more visitors and businesses, slowly transforming into a more vibrant district.

4. Increased Investment in Affordable Housing

• St. Louis will see the completion of several affordable housing projects in downtown and surrounding areas, particularly as the city focuses on mixed-use developments. These initiatives will help address the housing affordability issue in the city, though it will be a slow process.

5. MetroLink Expansion and Improved Connectivity

• There will be some noticeable extensions and improvements to the MetroLink light rail system, particularly in underserved areas like the southern and western suburbs. This will help enhance regional connectivity and provide more public transit options for residents.

6. St. Louis Becomes a Stronger Remote Work Destination

• As remote work remains a growing trend, St. Louis will become a more attractive destination for remote workers and digital nomads, especially in neighborhoods like the Central West End and downtown. Co-working spaces will increase, and more tech workers will move to the city due to its low cost of living.

7. Continued Growth of the St. Louis Tech & Life Sciences Sectors

• The tech and life sciences sectors will continue to see incremental growth, with more startups and small companies in health tech, agtech, and software development. Washington University, BJC HealthCare, and other institutions will drive innovation in the region, attracting more talent and investment.

8. South Grand and Delmar Loop as Key Cultural Hubs

• Neighborhoods like South Grand and the Delmar Loop will continue to attract new businesses, restaurants, and residents. These areas will see a steady increase in foot traffic and business activity, becoming more vibrant cultural hubs in the city.

9. Union Station Modernization and Retail Growth

• Union Station will continue its transformation into a more dynamic space, with new retail and dining options. While it won’t become a large-scale entertainment complex by 2025, it will offer improved amenities, becoming a more attractive destination for both locals and tourists.

10. Focus on Sustainability and Green Initiatives

• St. Louis will make noticeable progress in sustainability, with new green building projects, more solar panel installations on public buildings, and increased electric vehicle charging infrastructure. These changes will be part of a longer-term effort to position the city as a more environmentally conscious urban center.

Just shows how much these AI models have to go to be viable. They can pick up on 30,000 foot view but not the weeds, yet

1. City-County merger bill gets some discussion and work at state level but no real proposal

2. State backs off efforts to takeover SLMPD.

3. City sells Railway to a developer but nothing further.

4. First renderings of At&t released.

5. Municipal Courts Building gets a proposal.

6. Millenium gets a proposal, but this sub won’t like it.

7. Dewitt’s talk about BPV 3 more, but we get no actual movement.

8. Unfortunately, no new construction takes place in downtown neighborhood proper. Several rehabs on Wash Ave, Mansion House and Landing progress though.

9. Downtown sees another year over year increase in restaurants, bars, retail.

10. CWE Albion tower continues to stall.

11. Gravois Park will see record permits and becomes the fastest income-changing neighborhood.

12. County, which has seen record low multi-family development in recent years, gets going again with several multi-family developments proposed, broken ground across U City, Clayton, Brentwood, Olivette, Richmond Heights.

12. Major overhaul development project proposed for Fountain Park neighborhood.

13. West End more publicly asserts itself as the Jewish Quarter in St. Louis to try to draw more Jewish residents and businesses.

14. Gateway South finally sees some construction movement after much anticipation.

15. Soulard and The Hill see an abundance of multifamily proposals for the few remaining surface lots and vacant lots.

16. Lemp Brewery is listed for sale.

17. WashU announces plans for Delmar Loop parcels.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Jan 01, 2025

1). 909 Chestnut plans out
2.) well known city developer wins the Millenium RFP
3.) Jones wins 54-46 vs Spencer
4.) Thompson Coburn to BVP
5.) Cardinals 88-74
6.) City SC in the playoffs 
7.)  City SC announces plans for its newly acquired properties west of the stadium 
8.) 130 homicides or less. 
9.) well known restaurant/bar operator opens a Wash Ave location 
10.) Arch gets 2.8M visitors 

I think you need to change your 7 and 8 on the cardinals one. 78-84

Really hope to see 1 2 4 pan out.

Interesting idea about the West End. I know Ben Poremba opened that Deli but it hasn't been a Jewish neighborhood since the 60s.