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PostDec 03, 2024#8701


A Lufthansa jet takes off from St. Louis Lambert International Airport, passing over Terminal 1, on a nonstop flight to Frankfurt on Friday, Nov. 29, 2024.
Robert Cohen, Post-Dispatch


Jennifer Backer Special to the Post-Dispatch
ST. LOUIS — German-based Lufthansa Airlines says its nonstop route from St. Louis to Frankfurt has been so successful it would like to expand the flights to five days per week, up from three. But the airline’s expansion plans are on hold as Boeing Co. struggles with a logjam of 787 Dreamliners.
“We’d definitely be expanding the route if we had the aircraft,” said Don Bunkenburg, a senior director of sales for Lufthansa. “It’s really exceeded expectations.”
Airplanes flying the route are currently averaging more than 80% full, Bunkenburg said. The more flights an airline operates to a destination, the greater the cost efficiency, he said.
“We’d never want to just stay with three,” he said.”

Lambert International’s last nonstop flight to Europe was an American Airlines flight to London, which St. Louis lost in 2003 when the airline ended Lambert’s hub role.

Lufthansa expects to receive its first orders of 787 Dreamliners from Boeing in June 2025, and even then, the airline doesn’t expect those planes to begin flying until later in the year, according to Bunkenburg. When Lufthansa begins to receive planes, it will begin looking at route expansion again, he said.

Boeing is producing four 787 Dreamliners per month and plans to return to five per month by year-end, the company said in a statement.

“We continue to work with our customers on the timing of their deliveries while we address shortages of certain components and stabilize our production system,” Boeing said in the same statement. “We regret the impact any schedule changes may have had on our customers, and we remain focused on executing our production plans to meet strong demand for the 787 Dreamliner family.”

Lufthansa currently flies an Airbus 330 on its nonstop route between St. Louis and Frankfurt. While the A330 and the Boeing Dreamliner are similar in passenger capacity, depending on the airline, the Dreamliner has been favored by airlines for its lighter, more fuel-efficient design.

Lufthansa began exploring the St. Louis-to-Frankfurt route at the behest of Bayer executives, who pointed out its executives and employees would generate robust demand for the route between its crop science business here and its global headquarters in Germany.

Lufthansa studied the route and other companies with employees frequently flying to Frankfurt and also factored in leisure travel and quickly came to the conclusion the route would be profitable, Bunkenburg said. Those calculations have proven accurate, and the airline plans to continue its current three-day nonstop route from St. Louis to Frankfurt.

St. Louis-area interests also offered Lufthansa up to $5.7 million in financial incentives to operate the route, with about $700,000 coming directly from the airport. The St. Louis Port Authority offered as much as $2.5 million, and the other half was offered by Greater St. Louis Inc., a regional trade group.

The airline is expected to get less than $5 million as the full incentives, which have ended, were based on a five-day weekly route, according to airport officials.
Lufthansa isn’t alone in dealing with delayed plane orders from Boeing and France-based Airbus, said Panos Kouvelis, the Emerson Distinguished Professor of Supply Chain, Operations, and Technology at Washington University in St. Louis.

Both plane makers rely on thousands of components that are made by big suppliers in Canada, Australia, Japan, Korea, Italy and dozens of other countries.
“The global supply chain is their major constraint,” he said. “Both companies haven’t been able to ramp up production like they would like.”
Boeing has also been dealing with quality and regulatory issues going back to at least 2018, Kouvelis said, with two fatal crashes of its 737 aircraft (those aircraft wouldn’t be flying to Frankfurt), regulatory scrutiny and a global supply chain disrupted by the pandemic. That was all compounded by a door plug that blew off an Alaska Airlines 737 mid-flight and a recent eight-week machinist strike.


Boeing is working to ramp up production with close Federal Aviation Administration oversight, said Jeff Windau, an industrials analyst with Edward Jones in St. Louis.
“This oversight by the FAA dictates some of their timing,” he said. “They’ve had quality issues from their suppliers come out of the woodwork and bite them.”

While the move to acquiring airplane parts overseas has been a slow, gradual shift since the mid-1990s — and led to booming investment returns — complex global supply chains have left airplane makers vulnerable to quality issues and delayed parts, Kouvelis said.
“Boeing has become less a manufacturing company and more of an assembly and technology company,” he said.

The 2020 global pandemic added to the aviation industry’s problems, Kouvelis said. Airbus and Boeing’s major suppliers lost experienced workers and are now working with new trainees who are not as experienced and are more likely to create quality issues, he said. That’s left both Airbus and Boeing not ready to meet customer demand.

And that’s all compounded by global geopolitical risks, including in Russia and Ukraine. Prior to the war, some of the titanium used to build commercial passenger planes was supplied from Russia, Kouvelis said. Other airplane suppliers also were located in Russia. Tariffs proposed by President-elect Donald Trump pose another potential future risk, he said.

Boeing recently announced layoffs aimed at cutting more than 10% of its workforce.

Windau said recent job cuts at Boeing could also pose an impact, but the company also was staffed for much higher production of its commercial planes. The cuts are likely to have less of an impact than expected, he said.
While turnarounds for Boeing and Airbus won’t be quick, Kouvelis says, strong demand for planes, like from Lufthansa, and air travel bodes well for both companies.
“How many businesses do you know that can have hundreds of planes on backorder and piles of customers that have pre-paid for their orders not even knowing when the planes will arrive?” he said. “The demand is there.”

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PostDec 03, 2024#8702

Special request from me: Lufthansa, please send a 747 to St. Louis. Demand is there, so why not go big? Be a show off.

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PostDec 03, 2024#8703

The planes they use are already to big for the gates they use, a 747 would be even worse.

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PostDec 04, 2024#8704

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
Dec 03, 2024
Would be nice if LH would nudge its Star Aliiance partner to invest more here to support the proven-successful route.
United has grown a fair amount here in the last 2 years. Less RJs, more mainline. They are the only one of the 3 legacies that has grown here since 2019. When including Lufthansa and Air Canada, Star isn’t that far behind Delta anymore seats wise. In October Star was about 15% lower than Delta. October 2019 United was 50% of Delta. 55% when you add Air Canada.

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PostDec 04, 2024#8705

United adding LAX would be awesome. (Okay, for me.)

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PostDec 04, 2024#8706

I want to see airlines add an STL-JFK flight back. I remember Delta and AA had those, that is the probably one of the highly requested routes I am sure. Its just so inconvenient to go from LGA to JFK.

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PostDec 04, 2024#8707

Agreed - I had to do that transfer for trip to Edinburgh and it was really annoying.

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PostDec 04, 2024#8708

Why can’t we have nice things too?

Have you seen Portland’s new airport?
One of my favorite YouTube channels just featured it.


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PostDec 04, 2024#8709

we are still a ways away from the design of our airport being made/released. Also, Lambert is quite literally renowned for its design, specifically T1.

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PostDec 04, 2024#8710

10-intuition wrote:
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I want to see airlines add an STL-JFK flight back. I remember Delta and AA had those, that is the probably one of the highly requested routes I am sure. Its just so inconvenient to go from LGA to JFK.
Was always curious or wondered if Delta had ever reconsider JFK flight again especially after they made a huge investment there as they did in LA.   At same time, with Southwest pulling way back in ATL it probably just handed Delta even more capacity there on top of an already efficient hub/in a more affordable neighborhood cost wise.   So assume will try to maximize ATL even more before they would even consider new mid country routes and instead probably look at say more SFO/LAX to JFK frequency ( i fly Delta a lot and will take there SFO to JFK over United SFO to Newark direct any day).        

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PostDec 05, 2024#8711

Commission meeting updates

Southwest baggage claim update
Only doing stuff on the ramp side. Should help get bags to carousel quicker. Nothing on the customer side.
18ish month project.
$25 million

Turo car share will officially come the airport. They currently are already operating "illegally".
They will pay 10% (rental cars pay 10% also), plus parking fees
A LOT of discussion, 30-40 minutes, on where they should be allowed to park. Some don't want them to be allowed in T1 (they won't be allowed in T2), due to it being unfair to the rental car companies having to use a shuttle. Not allowing them in T1 would likely lessen the 10% fee.

On site, consolidated rental car facility is being considered for new terminal. Apparently, there is not much interest in having a consolidated rental car facility off site by rental car companies since a shuttle will be used either way.

11 day period - Friday before thanksgiving to Sunday after.
202,927 TSA numbers. Highest ever since TSA measured checkpoints

Program Management Team for new terminal awarded to OneSTL (WSP and Kwami?)
RFQ out for new garage and roadways

PostDec 05, 2024#8712

Burlington, IA and Quincy, IL are out for bid. Currently they are run on Southern split between Chicago and STL.

One of the interesting airlines that bid is Air Wisconsin. It would be run under the AA brand. They have a Ord/STL split option. So if picked it would mean jet service to those cities under the AA brand.

I think Quincy is more likely to pick it than Burlington but we’ll see.

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PostDec 08, 2024#8713

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDNRgGIO ... VrMXp5Z3Yy

Pretty cool cockpit view of the Lufthansa flight taking off from Lambert.


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PostDec 08, 2024#8714

We have to remember we are at geographically. As much as I would like to see Paris and Amsterdam of the board at Lambert is it really that realistic? Is it so insane that you have to get a beer in Philly or Boston and take ALL DAY to go from the Mississippi River to Barcelona?

If I was STL airport I would look into being a Midwest gateway (with a a stop somewhere) to Buenos, Bogota, South America. Corner that market.

PostDec 08, 2024#8715

I would position STL as the go-to Midwest airport for South America instead of some splashy headline like STL has a Paris nonstop!

PostDec 08, 2024#8716

STL should have nonstops to Mexico City before considering Paris and anywhere else in Europe.

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PostDec 09, 2024#8717

moorlander wrote:Why can’t we have nice things too?

Have you seen Portland’s new airport?
One of my favorite YouTube channels just featured it.

I guess airports aren’t ever going to be attractive from the outside again when you first pull in to let someone off or pick up. I was in PDX in May. But like nearly all airports now, you get dropped off in the canyon between the multi story parking garage and the terminal front door. Can we push the parking garage deep below ground level and landscape the top at terminal walk-in level to return the drive-up view to the original?


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PostDec 09, 2024#8718

moorlander wrote:
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Why can’t we have nice things too?

Have you seen Portland’s new airport?
One of my favorite YouTube channels just featured it.

High quality stuff. Keep hoping Gateway South could bring B1M to STL. Time will tell... 

PDX's expansion and redevelopment really is beautiful, and highly functional. I've been hoping for some time that mass timber could be utilized in the redevelopment of STL - not to the same degree as PDX, but recognizing its utility & functionality as well as the idea of carbon sequestration for, at minimum, marketing. Hardwood floors and walls, structural columns, maybe even ceiling elements. PDX also sees their new terminal leading to a significant increase in total flights in the next decade, something that we should definitely consider and hold as a goal. 

This airport redevelopment will really be an opportunity for STL to shine - if we do it right. I keep thinking of the idea that, inside the airport, there'd be a concept of being a 'gateway', perhaps including how Saint Louis became populated - first nations, river explorers, fur trappers, Spanish, French, covered wagons, great migration, industrial growth, and today. Perhaps even featuring the role of mass transportation: wagons, to steam boats, to railroads, to jetliners. 

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PostDec 09, 2024#8719

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STL should have nonstops to Mexico City before  considering Paris and anywhere else in Europe.
You need support from the biz community to make this work. Locally I know Bunge, ADM (more regional, I’m aware), and spectrum brands do a lot of business in South America. I’d wager Purina, Bayer, and Enterprise as well. And Embraer recently launched a JV with Copeland that’s HQ’d in North County.

You may be on to something. Mexico City or Panama City would be great. Directs to Sao Paolo, Buenos Aires or Santiago would be incredible.

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PostDec 09, 2024#8720

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moorlander wrote:
Dec 04, 2024
Why can’t we have nice things too?

Have you seen Portland’s new airport?
One of my favorite YouTube channels just featured it.

High quality stuff. Keep hoping Gateway South could bring B1M to STL. Time will tell... 

PDX's expansion and redevelopment really is beautiful, and highly functional. I've been hoping for some time that mass timber could be utilized in the redevelopment of STL - not to the same degree as PDX, but recognizing its utility & functionality as well as the idea of carbon sequestration for, at minimum, marketing. Hardwood floors and walls, structural columns, maybe even ceiling elements. PDX also sees their new terminal leading to a significant increase in total flights in the next decade, something that we should definitely consider and hold as a goal. 

This airport redevelopment will really be an opportunity for STL to shine - if we do it right. I keep thinking of the idea that, inside the airport, there'd be a concept of being a 'gateway', perhaps including how Saint Louis became populated - first nations, river explorers, fur trappers, Spanish, French, covered wagons, great migration, industrial growth, and today. Perhaps even featuring the role of mass transportation: wagons, to steam boats, to railroads, to jetliners. 
I fear we will get a very utilitarian design with very little local inspiration. Probably just glass and dry wall. I'd love to see some red brick in the design. Maybe even some water features inspired by the rivers. Something that speaks to the Arch as well.

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PostDec 10, 2024#8721

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
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leeharveyawesome wrote:
Dec 08, 2024
STL should have nonstops to Mexico City before  considering Paris and anywhere else in Europe.
You need support from the biz community to make this work. Locally I know Bunge, ADM (more regional, I’m aware), and spectrum brands do a lot of business in South America. I’d wager Purina, Bayer, and Enterprise as well. And Embraer recently launched a JV with Copeland that’s HQ’d in North County.

You may be on to something. Mexico City or Panama City would be great. Directs to Sao Paolo, Buenos Aires or Santiago would be incredible.
Unfortunately I find it a reach on a couple different fronts starting with the companies noted are in a commodity business of selling low value products at high volumes.  Just tough to see the amount of direct biz travel associated with that.  From there it all about the airlines themselves and with much bigger cities/metro areas with much bigger immigrant communities and with hubs such as Chicago, Dallas and Houston already serving south of the border & South America  well that pretty much takes two big legacies out of the question for Lambert.  Then add the fact that Southwest is more or less a domestic airline when you take out the vacation destinations (not to mention how much biz traffic will want to sit in a place for long time without premium seating).   You got discount like Volaris that have routes going north but think they have kept to the much larger metro areas with limited success and limited connections.
Leaves pretty much Delta and its Aeromexico alliance which is on shaky ground if not mistaken (think Delta had a partial, minority ownership stake at one point).  Probably the thing that hurts the most when Mexico decided to keep the current airport and AMLO scrapped the new airport which would have dramatically increased its capacity & thus the ability for Mexico City to be a true hub to North, Central & South America.    You can get flights to South America but believe is not even close to Miami or where you think one of the largest North America cities should be at.  

Too bad, a can see a bigger stronger Areomexico/Delta hub in Mexico City could open the door to several more direct flights serving US cities and mid tier airports such as Lambert with connectivity to South America.   Instead of competing for south of the border and without the new airport, I think Delta is happy enough to fly a few south bound travelers from St. Louis via Atlanta to fill some extra seats and Areomexico is content to be a 2nd tier national airline.   

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PostDec 10, 2024#8722

I don’t see why the type of business has that much of an effect. I personally know Bunge, ADM and Spectrum Brands employees who have fairly regular travel to central/south america. Maybe they’re outliers but I’d like to hear from someone with actual knowledge of those companies operations a high level.

With respect to having trouble finding an airline, we made Lufthansa work. With enough subsidies and luck we could potentially land LATAM, Copa or Aeromexico.

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PostDec 10, 2024#8723

I’d be pretty surprised if we got MEX. It doesn’t do well from cities like us. Southwest couldn’t make it work at all and dropped it completely a while back. I’d guess Copa is the best bet, especially since they can do a narrowbody and are a a Star Alliance member. I’m skeptical LATAM would be interested since they need a widebody.

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PostDec 24, 2024#8724

Not Lambert specific but airport related. Can one of the air travel buffs educate me as to why O’hare has dropped from a comfy position as the second busiest US airport all the way back to 5th busiest? (Passenger traffic)

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PostDec 24, 2024#8725

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