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MattnSTL wrote: ↑

Nov 06, 2024

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑

Nov 06, 2024

Now the country needs to start attempting to unite a little bit more now. If all people want to do it fight each other moving forward, keep doing so. But most voters are tired of that sort of thing and want to move on.

Frankly, this line is a load of BS. The country could have united in 2021 after Trump lost. But his supporters didn't want to. So now that he appears to have won again, you want people to unite and just forget about everything. Not going to happen.

Oh please. When trump was elected the first time there was no end of whining on here but media had a lot more influence back then so it was more accepted socially. I had not seen that on here before that election. Even with biden in office it was still just complaints about republicans. Everyone is a fascist and everything is their fault. Bike lanes and free housing for everyone if it wasn't for republicans. When I was growing up the democrats were the cool party, the party of the people. Now it's the party of Karens. 

Immigration turned out to be the issue that won the race for Trump as that seems to be the reason why Latinos walked away in such large numbers. Biden was way too passive on this topic and I lay the blame for this rout squarely on him.

pdm_ad wrote:Immigration turned out to be the issue that won the race for Trump as that seems to be the reason why Latinos walked away in such large numbers. Biden was way too passive on this topic and I lay the blame for this rout squarely on him.

Americans will quickly learn how fortunate we are to have the migrants. Inflation will be off the charts when businesses are left scrambling for workers (who dont exist). Consumers will pay the price.

pdm_ad wrote:Immigration turned out to be the issue that won the race for Trump as that seems to be the reason why Latinos walked away in such large numbers. Biden was way too passive on this topic and I lay the blame for this rout squarely on him.

I don’t think it’s accurate to say that immigration, or any issue was the factor.

I think this was more of a candidate thing. Joe Biden is very unpopular and Kamala was a weak candidate that people didn’t get to choose. People revolted against that, including Latinos. Policy was never to topic of discussion.


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We already had a local indication of the economic impact of mass deportations. 1,000 foreign students weren't allowed to come to SLU - > SLU had a big unexpected deficit -> layoffs. Then there's the loss of the economic activity of the students

The stock market is up big today. I guess those buying don't think the mass deportations or the tariffs are going to happen.

quincunx wrote:We already had a local indication of the economic impact of mass deportations. 1,000 foreign students weren't allowed to come to SLU - > SLU had a big unexpected deficit -> layoffs. Then there's the loss of the economic activity of the students

The stock market is up big today. I guess those buying don't think the mass deportations or the tariffs are going to happen.

The stock market jumping today is more so because we have certain results rather than a drawn out process.

I’m not sure the tariffs and deportations are actually going to happen, because they are so absurd. But you’re right, they would be disastrous economically.

It will be interesting, Republicans will actually have to answer for all that crazy policy now, and they won’t have an excuse as to why they can’t pass anything either.

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Nov 06, 2024

Well, then let’s keep fighting. Fukkkk you all

What would we unite around? Higher wages? Better public transit? Cleaner environment? Trust-busting? Higher taxes on the rich? There are tons of issues with wide appeal. The leadership of both parties are opposed to all those things, that's why they constantly invent idpol issues to divide voters. 

Kamala had so little appeal that she didn't make it to voting in the primaries. Biden squeaked by when he won one primary and the entire political and media apparatus of the Democratic party declared him the winner and anyone voting against him to be sabotaging the anti-Trump movement. The Democrats saw a progressive groundswell of support from their voters and said "let's force through the most conservative active politician in the party to please business interests."

Voters should absolutely unite in hatred of both parties, but both parties and their media arms are obviously strongly propagandizing against that.

Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Nov 06, 2024

quincunx wrote:We already had a local indication of the economic impact of mass deportations. 1,000 foreign students weren't allowed to come to SLU - > SLU had a big unexpected deficit -> layoffs. Then there's the loss of the economic activity of the students

The stock market is up big today. I guess those buying don't think the mass deportations or the tariffs are going to happen.

The stock market jumping today is more so because we have certain results rather than a drawn out process.

I’m not sure the tariffs and deportations are actually going to happen, because they are so absurd. But you’re right, they would be disastrous economically.

It will be interesting, Republicans will actually have to answer for all that crazy policy now, and they won’t have an excuse as to why they can’t pass anything either.

In all fairness, I think we need to give the Harris campaign a little credit for the huge stock market rally today

About tariffs, Biden Harris kept some of the original Trump China tariffs right? Because not much downside and just bringing in too much money? I thought Biden Harris kept some Trump tariffs but maybe I'm just absorbing too much right wing hate media or something.

I don't see "mass deportations". They will probably just try to return to some sort of vague, somewhat orderly, legal immigration process. Certainly not going to storm universities and deport students. Ridiculous. They probably also try to tone it down with Manhattan migrant hotels and gift cards and things like that which many working Americans of all races found to be pretty offensive and disrespectful and unfair.

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Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑

Nov 06, 2024

quincunx wrote:We already had a local indication of the economic impact of mass deportations. 1,000 foreign students weren't allowed to come to SLU - > SLU had a big unexpected deficit -> layoffs. Then there's the loss of the economic activity of the students

The stock market is up big today. I guess those buying don't think the mass deportations or the tariffs are going to happen.

The stock market jumping today is more so because we have certain results rather than a drawn out process.

I’m not sure the tariffs and deportations are actually going to happen, because they are so absurd. But you’re right, they would be disastrous economically.

It will be interesting, Republicans will actually have to answer for all that crazy policy now, and they won’t have an excuse as to why they can’t pass anything either.

In all fairness, I think we need to give the Harris campaign a little credit for the huge stock market rally today

About tariffs, Biden Harris kept some of the original Trump China tariffs right? Because not much downside and just bringing in too much money? I thought Biden Harris kept some Trump tariffs but maybe I'm just absorbing too much right wing hate media or something.

I don't see "mass deportations". They will probably just try to return to some sort of vague, somewhat orderly, legal immigration process. Certainly not going to storm universities and deport students. Ridiculous. They probably also try to tone it down with Manhattan migrant hotels and gift cards and things like that which many working Americans of all races found to be pretty offensive and disrespectful and unfair.

Trump winning the election was already priced into the market for the most part. Think what you want, but fundamentals tell us the rally today is because we have an election winner in a timely fashion, rather than chaos and disorder had Trump lost and not conceded.

I don’t know what Trump is actually going to do on tariffs or mass deportation, I’m just going off what he said. The fact that we are guessing on what he will actually do policy wise says a lot, doesn’t it?

Some tariffs (like the ones Biden has kept) are perfectly healthy for the economy. Massive tariffs like the ones Trump has proposed and mass deportation would be devastating to stock market. Not even debatable.

Immigration policy has typically been pretty bipartisan, I don't expect much difference there. Republicans brag about deportations more and frame it in more openly racist terms, but actual policy doesn't seem to change much (or steadily gets worse under both parties).

MarkHaversham wrote:Immigration policy has typically been pretty bipartisan, I don't expect much difference there. Republicans brag about deportations more and frame it in more openly racist terms, but actual policy doesn't seem to change much (or steadily gets worse under both parties).

I agree. What Trump has proposed is not bipartisan though. It’s substantially worse than anything on the Left. We’ll see if it actually happens.

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑

Nov 06, 2024

Now the country needs to start attempting to unite a little bit more now.

I will not be unifying around blood and soil thanks very much. Easy to talk about unity until you find yourself in their crosshairs.

I am hoping some of his extreme ideas were more pandering and won't likely happen due to issues actually implementing them, or key government officials finding a more bi partisan / moderate solution.  I have some of my LGBTQI community very concerned about things today.

I agree we won't see mass deportation as true undocumented illegals are going to be pretty hard to find.  But, do your magic and end the border crisis within your term (he really wasn't able to fulfil this promise in the first term.  A google search reveals they built 47 miles of wall, and 33 miles of fencing during his first term.

I don't think he will push to enact all of the feared Christian policies (Project 2025 for example) as I really hope our elected officials hold separation of church and state.

I do think the trans community is extremely vulnerable, but they have been up to now including here in Missouri.  I think most American's are pretty cool with the LGB.  It is just sad they feel strongly enough about my trans brothers and sisters that are such a small margin of the American populace to enact laws.

I do think he will be good for corporate America as he looks out for his campaign contributors, but he is not going to look out for the little guys - and definitely NOT the white, no college degree men that were his highest voting group.  Although I don't think think they will realize it.  Their will be another scape goat if things go wrong.

I am concerned with his apparent obsession with Putin and it's impact to Ukraine.  But hey, live up to your campaign and end this war easily.

I HOPE we do not get back into this divisive era that we were originally under Trump.  I hope he can end his derogatory remarks towards others. 

Curious what will happen with his charges, those in jail for the 1/6 insurrection, and the campaign comments to turn the military on the enemy within.  I hope in part the last comment was just a fear tactic.

Sorry to rant, I just want to maybe get some things down and compare later when things unfold.

STLCityMike wrote: ↑

Nov 06, 2024

I am hoping some of his extreme ideas were more pandering and won't likely happen due to issues actually implementing them, or key government officials finding a more bi partisan / moderate solution.  I have some of my LGBTQI community very concerned about things today.

I agree we won't see mass deportation as true undocumented illegals are going to be pretty hard to find.  But, do your magic and end the border crisis within your term (he really wasn't able to fulfil this promise in the first term.  A google search reveals they built 47 miles of wall, and 33 miles of fencing during his first term.

I don't think he will push to enact all of the feared Christian policies (Project 2025 for example) as I really hope our elected officials hold separation of church and state.

I do think the trans community is extremely vulnerable, but they have been up to now including here in Missouri.  I think most American's are pretty cool with the LGB.  It is just sad they feel strongly enough about my trans brothers and sisters that are such a small margin of the American populace to enact laws.

I do think he will be good for corporate America as he looks out for his campaign contributors, but he is not going to look out for the little guys - and definitely NOT the white, no college degree men that were his highest voting group.  Although I don't think think they will realize it.  Their will be another scape goat if things go wrong.

I am concerned with his apparent obsession with Putin and it's impact to Ukraine.  But hey, live up to your campaign and end this war easily.

I HOPE we do not get back into this divisive era that we were originally under Trump.  I hope he can end his derogatory remarks towards others. 

Curious what will happen with his charges, those in jail for the 1/6 insurrection, and the campaign comments to turn the military on the enemy within.  I hope in part the last comment was just a fear tactic.

Sorry to rant, I just want to maybe get some things down and compare later when things unfold.

The singular reason Americans are apparently so opposed to trans people is anti-trans propaganda. They are a miniscule % of the population, the Democrats' platform towards them is not anything crazy, and they don't affect anyone's life in any meaningful way. BUT they can be used as a wedge issue for people who don't understand it to make them think that they're "coming for you" or some weird sh*t. The amount of ads about Harris "supporting" trans healthcare in prisons- which is federal law- was insane. It's just one of the many examples of how the President-elect's campaign was not policy based, not issues based, but solely based on fear.

Normal people are not "pro trans" or "anti trans". Normal people are in favor of non-discrimination and don't care about issues that don't actually affect them. It's remarkable how the "trans issue" has become front and center in countries like the US and UK, and I assume Canada come next year even though it's such a genuine non issue.

Auggie wrote: ↑

Nov 07, 2024

STLCityMike wrote: ↑

Nov 06, 2024

I am hoping some of his extreme ideas were more pandering and won't likely happen due to issues actually implementing them, or key government officials finding a more bi partisan / moderate solution.  I have some of my LGBTQI community very concerned about things today.

I agree we won't see mass deportation as true undocumented illegals are going to be pretty hard to find.  But, do your magic and end the border crisis within your term (he really wasn't able to fulfil this promise in the first term.  A google search reveals they built 47 miles of wall, and 33 miles of fencing during his first term.

I don't think he will push to enact all of the feared Christian policies (Project 2025 for example) as I really hope our elected officials hold separation of church and state.

I do think the trans community is extremely vulnerable, but they have been up to now including here in Missouri.  I think most American's are pretty cool with the LGB.  It is just sad they feel strongly enough about my trans brothers and sisters that are such a small margin of the American populace to enact laws.

I do think he will be good for corporate America as he looks out for his campaign contributors, but he is not going to look out for the little guys - and definitely NOT the white, no college degree men that were his highest voting group.  Although I don't think think they will realize it.  Their will be another scape goat if things go wrong.

I am concerned with his apparent obsession with Putin and it's impact to Ukraine.  But hey, live up to your campaign and end this war easily.

I HOPE we do not get back into this divisive era that we were originally under Trump.  I hope he can end his derogatory remarks towards others. 

Curious what will happen with his charges, those in jail for the 1/6 insurrection, and the campaign comments to turn the military on the enemy within.  I hope in part the last comment was just a fear tactic.

Sorry to rant, I just want to maybe get some things down and compare later when things unfold.

The singular reason Americans are apparently so opposed to trans people is anti-trans propaganda. They are a miniscule % of the population, the Democrats' platform towards them is not anything crazy, and they don't affect anyone's life in any meaningful way. BUT they can be used as a wedge issue for people who don't understand it to make them think that they're "coming for you" or some weird sh*t. The amount of ads about Harris "supporting" trans healthcare in prisons- which is federal law- was insane. It's just one of the many examples of how the President-elect's campaign was not policy based, not issues based, but solely based on fear.

Normal people are not "pro trans" or "anti trans". Normal people are in favor of non-discrimination and don't care about issues that don't actually affect them. It's remarkable how the "trans issue" has become front and center in countries like the US and UK, and I assume Canada come next year even though it's such a genuine non issue.

Thank you for saying it so eloquently!

It’s a fake boogeyman issue created by conservative propagandists to create fear and sow division. The democrats don’t have a platform on transgender people because it isn’t something that requires a platform at all.

To the extent the democrats have a platform, it’s the same as their platform for all LQBTQ people: They are people who deserve rights and respect.

it was interesting to note that some of the states elected democratic governor but picked Trump. 

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Nov 07, 2024

It’s a fake boogeyman issue created by conservative propagandists to create fear and sow division. The democrats don’t have a platform on transgender people because it isn’t something that requires a platform at all.

To the extent the democrats have a platform, it’s the same as their platform for all LQBTQ people: They are people who deserve rights and respect.

I consider myself socially moderate, but I absolutely agree with basic human rights and respect. So does the Supreme Court when they extended employment discrimination protections to all LGBT people in 2020's Bostock vs Clayton County that was written by Neil Gorsuch and joined by John Roberts. In fact, I think most people would agree with the Democratic platform, but the propaganda machine goes burrrr so actually people believe that the Dem platform is "transing the kids".

Just hope the Dems don't take Britain Labour's stance and stop recognizing that trans people are real in response to yesterday....

First action item when Trump and Elon and RFKJ get in office is too just completely eliminate HUD. Or as the Village Voice calls it "Americas worst landlord". Just totally abolish Day One.

From state sponsored deportation or other ethnic cleansing efforts. Denying federal agencies, particularly ICE, from any local resources meaning no help from state and local law enforcement.

Passing laws that all trans people will be treated fully as people Under the law and allowed to obtain healthcare.

Those are the two obvious examples that come to mind.

These are the same tactics Jeff City uses against federal guns laws.

It's interesting that Trump got fewer total votes this time (2024 - 73,475,570) than he did 4 years ago (2020 - 74,224,319).  The difference was -- Democrats didn't show up.  On TV, some Democrats are asking if they should stop trying to form a majority with a coalition of the traditionally disadvantaged -- Women, LGBTQ, Hispanics, Blacks, poor, young people, old people, etc., and should instead do more to attract the majority.  Especially citing the increased votes for Trump from minorities this time around.  

In other words, are the Democrats victims of their own success?  Have Democrat social victories for inclusion of the traditionally disadvantaged moved many into voting more as part of the majority? -- prioritizing  longtime majority issues like the economy, generational wealth accumulation, inflation, national debt, foreign aid, crime, home ownership, etc. over traditional minority issues such as job discrimination, income parity, equal justice under the law, immigration reform, etc.?  Have Dems gone far enough down the fairness and equality road to accept the win and shift to solving other problems?   Inquiring minds...

^ there are over 10,000,000 votes that are yet to be counted.  California alone has 6,000,000 to go,  arizona has 1,000,000.  

gary kreie wrote: ↑

Nov 08, 2024

It's interesting that Trump got fewer total votes this time (2024 - 73,475,570) than he did 4 years ago (2020 - 74,224,319).  The difference was -- Democrats didn't show up.  On TV, some Democrats are asking if they should stop trying to form a majority with a coalition of the traditionally disadvantaged -- Women, LGBTQ, Hispanics, Blacks, poor, young people, old people, etc., and should instead do more to attract the majority.  Especially citing the increased votes for Trump from minorities this time around.  

In other words, are the Democrats victims of their own success?  Have Democrat social victories for inclusion of the traditionally disadvantaged moved many into voting more as part of the majority? -- prioritizing  longtime majority issues like the economy, generational wealth accumulation, inflation, national debt, foreign aid, crime, home ownership, etc. over traditional minority issues such as job discrimination, income parity, equal justice under the law, immigration reform, etc.?  Have Dems gone far enough down the fairness and equality road to accept the win and shift to solving other problems?   Inquiring minds...

The problem of that dems currently have a better team record on things like the economy and national debt, the problem is that the GOP just lies and the lemmings who go by alternative facts believe them, so how do you win over voters who believe in a fictional reality?