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Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art launches global open call for new addition

https://www.archpaper.com/2024/10/nelso ... -addition/

I hope the outdoor landscape enhancements include better crossings south across Emanuel Cleaver Blvd. The current setup kind of hilariously de-prioritizes the pedestrian

2.5 billion in KC projects to break ground over next 6 months according to city manager. Also expanding their transit currently. This makes me feel even worse about our slow development news lately…They are beating us down

Most jealous of the highway cap. We can’t even get a full connection between our downtown and national park…Goodness

A women’s soccer stadium village that looks more built out than BPV…West Bottoms project that would fill out all of Laclede’s or Chouteu’s Landing…several surface lot mega developments…2 TOD high rises…Yea I’m jealous

Important to note that the women’s soccer stadium village and the West Bottoms will be built out over 10 years. It could go faster depending on demand. Formal plans for the 800 Grand building and Grayson Capital’s 18th and Paseo project have not yet been submitted to Planning Staff.

Mac Properties is, once again, seeking approval for incentives for their Main and Armour project.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Oct 14, 2024

2.5 billion in KC projects to break ground over next 6 months according to city manager. Also expanding their transit currently. This makes me feel even worse about our slow development news lately…They are beating us down

Most jealous of the highway cap. We can’t even get a full connection between our downtown and national park…Goodness

A women’s soccer stadium village that looks more built out than BPV…West Bottoms project that would fill out all of Laclede’s or Chouteu’s Landing…several surface lot mega developments…2 TOD high rises…Yea I’m jealous

The announcement is pretty misleading.  Not surprising.  It was made by a bureaucrat.  

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Oct 14, 2024

2.5 billion in KC projects to break ground over next 6 months according to city manager. Also expanding their transit currently. This makes me feel even worse about our slow development news lately…They are beating us down

Most jealous of the highway cap. We can’t even get a full connection between our downtown and national park…Goodness

A women’s soccer stadium village that looks more built out than BPV…West Bottoms project that would fill out all of Laclede’s or Chouteu’s Landing…several surface lot mega developments…2 TOD high rises…Yea I’m jealous

Highway caps become a higher priority when your downtown is surrounded by a moat of highways.

ldai_phs wrote:

ldai_phs wrote:Cordish has filed plans for their 4th tower in KC, their 5th residential project in the city. This comes after both Two and Three Light hit 100% occupancy this summer and the Midland project opened with >80% leased

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... etail.html

Rendering from the south looking north




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4 Light and 5 Light towers will appear before PIEA this week

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: Also expanding their transit currently.

St. Louis built 38 stations across 46 miles in fifteen years. The Green Line MetroLink is an even more impressive project.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: This makes me feel even worse about our slow development news lately…They are beating us down.

There are plenty of projects announced and not yet announced that make this untrue. Could it be more active? Of course!

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: Most jealous of the highway cap. We can’t even get a full connection between our downtown and national park…Goodness

St. Louis literally built a highway cap AND rebuilt an urban mall AND national park. A triumph in any region.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: A women’s soccer stadium village that looks more built out than BPV…West Bottoms project that would fill out all of Laclede’s or Chouteu’s Landing…several surface lot mega developments…2 TOD high rises…Yea I’m jealous

I can name a dozen projects in St. Louis that are just as impressive in scale and impact. By $ invested per square mile and $ invested per capita, St. Louis is fine.

St. Louis is a damn great place. I wouldn’t feel jealousy towards Kansas City, on any level.

KC has a very tiny % of its region decently urbanized compared to STL. Plus they have a growing population. It makes sense they are expanding their "urban" capacity. What they do have is still a total car sewer too.

Kansas City at it's highest potential looks like Minneapolis (Just Minneapolis, not the Twin Cities, and without the amazing parks and lakes) or maybe Denver

STL reaching its highest potential probably looks a lot more like Chicago or Philly

addxb2 wrote:

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: Also expanding their transit currently.

St. Louis built 38 stations across 46 miles in fifteen years. The Green Line MetroLink is an even more impressive project.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: This makes me feel even worse about our slow development news lately…They are beating us down.

There are plenty of projects announced and not yet announced that make this untrue. Could it be more active? Of course!

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: Most jealous of the highway cap. We can’t even get a full connection between our downtown and national park…Goodness

St. Louis literally built a highway cap AND rebuilt an urban mall AND national park. A triumph in any region.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: A women’s soccer stadium village that looks more built out than BPV…West Bottoms project that would fill out all of Laclede’s or Chouteu’s Landing…several surface lot mega developments…2 TOD high rises…Yea I’m jealous

I can name a dozen projects in St. Louis that are just as impressive in scale and impact. By $ invested per square mile and $ invested per capita, St. Louis is fine.

St. Louis is a damn great place. I wouldn’t feel jealousy towards Kansas City, on any level.

KC will never build a Metrolink competitor. Their urban core lacks abandoned rail lines needed.

If they could just get a rail connection between the airport and Union Station... of course that would be billions of dollars, but added to a built out streetcar system it wouldn't be too bad

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:If they could just get a rail connection between the airport and Union Station... of course that would be billions of dollars, but added to a built out streetcar system it wouldn't be too bad

Think they are working on east west rail and NKC rail first

I personally don't see how Kansas City will ever be able to afford a true transit line that runs between the airport and downtown Kansas City. 

It would run through affluent, low-density neighborhoods with high car ownership rates and very little in the way of regional attractions. Nobody would be riding it except from downtown to the airport. 

Even with a fed 50/50 split, I bet KC would have to spend more on this than they did their actual airport. 

Do a bus-only lane or something instead. 

addxb2 wrote: ↑

Oct 15, 2024

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: Also expanding their transit currently.

St. Louis built 38 stations across 46 miles in fifteen years. The Green Line MetroLink is an even more impressive project.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: This makes me feel even worse about our slow development news lately…They are beating us down.

There are plenty of projects announced and not yet announced that make this untrue. Could it be more active? Of course!

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: Most jealous of the highway cap. We can’t even get a full connection between our downtown and national park…Goodness

St. Louis literally built a highway cap AND rebuilt an urban mall AND national park. A triumph in any region.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: A women’s soccer stadium village that looks more built out than BPV…West Bottoms project that would fill out all of Laclede’s or Chouteu’s Landing…several surface lot mega developments…2 TOD high rises…Yea I’m jealous

I can name a dozen projects in St. Louis that are just as impressive in scale and impact. By $ invested per square mile and $ invested per capita, St. Louis is fine.

St. Louis is a damn great place. I wouldn’t feel jealousy towards Kansas City, on any level.

I do agree the KC streetcar in no way competes with Metrolink. Metrolink is a top 20 rail system in the US. We just have sat on many expansions. Jefferson alignment seems on its way. If more railways are abandoned or costs come down, we will be able to rapidly expand as we have put many pieces in place over many years.

Gateway South is a similar type mega project to those KC projects listed but haven’t seen it break ground.

While we have a small cap connecting the Arch and downtown, considering the Arch status as a national park in the middle of a major metro downtown, they could have done so much more. It could have been transformed into a boulevard of Michigan Ave-type attraction or a full cap to make it cohesive.

StL urbanism far exceeds KC. The potential in StL is much higher. We have just been relatively stagnant in the last 15 years of improving it. KC is pushing its potential.

I’m not jealous of KC’s potential but rather the activity in reaching it.

We have had lots of stuff sitting in the bay for a long time. Brickline should be one of the best urban trails in the country. Many metro expansions in study. BPV build out. Bike infrastructure projects. Some major riverfront projects. Downtown conversions. CWE and downtown west high rises.

Lots to be excited about. But they’ve all been sitting. So simply getting antsy.

I do think it's kind of funny that the Green Line would be slightly shorter than the entire KC Streetcar including the extensions. Then add in the 46 mile existing system.

Funnier than that is the fact that the MetroLink Green Line is going to be street-running but will have its own dedicated ROW and move much faster in comparison. 

The Kansas City Streetcar is inefficient and barely more than a bus. It currently takes 30 minutes to complete a 4.4-mile loop without a single car on the road, meaning the most efficient it can possibly travel is at just 8.8 mph. Add cars to the road, like you might for a downtown Royals game, and that number goes down, down, down like a Johnny Cash song. 

With a 3.5-mile extension south, extrapolation says it will take 39 minutes to ride the 5.7-mile Streetcar from end to end. If you're going to a women's soccer game, it might take you even longer. 

Meanwhile, it takes MetroLink 1 hour, 14 minutes to travel the 38-mile Red Line. 

That's an average of 30.9 miles per hour, or approximately 3.5 times the speed of the Kansas City Streetcar. 

What average speed should we expect from the Green Line? 

This project is going to be somewhat similar to the Green Line in Minneapolis-St. Paul, though that line does stop at several lights while the St. Louis line will not. 

The Minneapolis line has 23 stations over 11 miles (.48 miles spacing) while the St. Louis line will have 10 stations over 5.8 miles (.58 miles spacing). 

It takes 48 minutes to travel 11 miles on the Green Line in Minneapolis-St. Paul, so the average speed is 13.75 mph, or 56.3% faster than the Kansas City Streetcar. 

My prediction for MetroLink's Green Line is that it will run faster than that, somewhere around 18-20 mph. 

It also doesn't really need to turn (outside of one location) which really slows down the Minneapolis system

matguy70 wrote:Ho hum. Not exciting really. I hate planned "villages" (like BPV and P&L) Aabasically they are entertainment districts with no character. These buildings with big numbers in them make them look like projects. Glad BPV tower is better looking and I'll take all of the new highrises in STL over Cordish cut and paste architecture.

What new high rises in St Louis?

^Not sure which he has in mind, but there are plenty of good non-Cordish examples both in progress, and recently finished. In the done box there's One Hundred on the Park, Parkview Tower at Barnes, Wash U's Neuroscience Building, Centene C, Forsythe Point, AC Hotel in Clayton, and a bunch of others that are a little smaller or a little further back. In the in-progress box there's more Barnes/Wash U. Med, Cardinal Glennon, and Foundry, at least. The number of cranes is down somewhat, but there's still plenty going. And for a while a couple of years ago it was, what, pretty close to twenty?

ldai_phs wrote: ↑

Oct 17, 2024

matguy70 wrote:Ho hum. Not exciting really. I hate planned "villages" (like BPV and P&L) Aabasically they are entertainment districts with no character. These buildings with big numbers in them make them look like projects. Glad BPV tower is better looking and I'll take all of the new highrises in STL over Cordish cut and paste architecture.

What new high rises in St Louis?

One Cardinal Way, Albion, AHM’s 21st and Locust and 100 North Kingshighway are the significant new ones in the City. Of those, Albion/Koplar is likely going to be the best of the bunch once it’s finished. City of KCMO has only one more high-rise (3) than the City of STL (2) for significant new high-rises built this last decade. They’ll likely be tied on this front for a little while. Both cities have their own list of projects that help make each better in their own way. No faulting that and nothing to be jealous of on either front.

Royals very close to moving to Johnson County it seems. This is the last thing KC needs.