Lost a few big law firms over the last couple years to Clayton. Law firms work in person so losing another one would be hard to replace. Law tenants is where the city-county divide actually rears its ugly head on office space. In all these cities that are also bleeding office tenants downtown, law firms have held the line and stayed because of access to courts and filing offices. Clayton is thus also a convenient location, rather than just our central downtown
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Where would they move in Clayton? Is there still room in the new Centene tower?
There’s no way TC is moving to 190 Carondelet or one of the Laclede Towers
There’s no way TC is moving to 190 Carondelet or one of the Laclede Towers
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Gateway Arch Park Foundation is not the owner I was hoping for this property. This is my worst nightmare - that Millennium becomes a parkland that connects to BPV. There is a TON of wiggle room with #5 from GSL. Beacon doesn't necessarily mean tall, could be interpreted as "meeting space".
Consider me underwhelmed and clutching my pearls on this ownership change. Fraught with potential disappointment.
Consider me underwhelmed and clutching my pearls on this ownership change. Fraught with potential disappointment.
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This will not be parkland.....TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2024Gateway Arch Park Foundation is not the owner I was hoping for this property. This is my worst nightmare - that Millennium becomes a parkland that connects to BPV. There is a TON of wiggle room with #5 from GSL. Beacon doesn't necessarily mean tall, could be interpreted as "meeting space".
Consider me underwhelmed and clutching my pearls on this ownership change. Fraught with potential disappointment.
There were rumors about a year ago that Enterprise Mobility was looking to build a fancy office building and move their HQ here. Does anyone know if that was strictly a rumor or if there was any truth to that?
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Not suggesting it will be greenway. Simply not the tall tower we would all expect. Couple of box buildings and a pedestrian throughfare, maybe a band box. That's the nightmare. Not greenspace.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2024This will not be parkland.....TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2024Gateway Arch Park Foundation is not the owner I was hoping for this property. This is my worst nightmare - that Millennium becomes a parkland that connects to BPV. There is a TON of wiggle room with #5 from GSL. Beacon doesn't necessarily mean tall, could be interpreted as "meeting space".
Consider me underwhelmed and clutching my pearls on this ownership change. Fraught with potential disappointment.
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Enterprise moving HQ to downtown would be akin to a pink elephantNJB1981 wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2024There were rumors about a year ago that Enterprise Mobility was looking to build a fancy office building and move their HQ here. Does anyone know if that was strictly a rumor or if there was any truth to that?
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It would be weird if Enterprise didn’t put its money where its mouth is and move DT.
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I think Enterprise will eventually move downtown, but these real estate moves never happen as quickly as you'd like.
Didn’t they just buy more land next to their current campus?RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2024I think Enterprise will eventually move downtown, but these real estate moves never happen as quickly as you'd like.
I never have bought into these moving downtown rumors for them.
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I might be going off tangent here but what do you think of Amazon's push for return to office 5-day plan? Will it be beneficial for downtowns?
sounds like a sly way of reducing their workforce lol, i'll bet a bunch of people will quit.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2024I might be going off tangent here but what do you think of Amazon's push for return to office 5-day plan? Will it be beneficial for downtowns?
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That hand is always overplayed. Corporate Amazon paying jobs don’t just grow on trees at other companies that you can make a move to
Corporate Amazon employee here. Everyone is pissed but knows they won’t find the same compensation anywhere else.
Everyone believes it’s a ploy to get people out without severance or unemployment. Game is waiting coworkers out until leadership gets what they want and loosens grip.
Not a single person I speak to wants to return to their downtown office. Seattle, Arlington, Chicago, San Antonio, Phoenix… no one.
Everyone believes it’s a ploy to get people out without severance or unemployment. Game is waiting coworkers out until leadership gets what they want and loosens grip.
Not a single person I speak to wants to return to their downtown office. Seattle, Arlington, Chicago, San Antonio, Phoenix… no one.
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Good to know. I am all ears to know why you are not interested in returning to office?addxb2 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2024Corporate Amazon employee here. Everyone is pissed but knows they won’t find the same compensation anywhere else.
Everyone believes it’s a ploy to get people out without severance or unemployment. Game is waiting coworkers out until leadership gets what they want and loosens grip.
Not a single person I speak to wants to return to their downtown office. Seattle, Arlington, Chicago, San Antonio, Phoenix… no one.
Biggest reasons I hear:
- Commuting is a waste of time and money.
- Teams are no longer consolidated to one location so there is no value.
- “Downtown ________ is unsafe and dirty”
Many “Amazonians” acknowledge they fled Seattle the second they could because of crime, homelessness, cost of living.
- Commuting is a waste of time and money.
- Teams are no longer consolidated to one location so there is no value.
- “Downtown ________ is unsafe and dirty”
Many “Amazonians” acknowledge they fled Seattle the second they could because of crime, homelessness, cost of living.
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Our department, (not Amazon, but banking) is prepping to return to office 3 days per week. We have staff in LA, outside San Francisco, Cinci and here in St. Louis. I live near downtown and would prefer a downtown location. Prior office was downtown and it is really nice to get out and get lunch.
NO one wants to be downtown in any of these cities, they don't want to pay to park when they can have a suburban location that has free parking. It is frustrating. I hear in LA it is over $45 a day to park. We actually had the lowest parking at our downtown office, but that seems to have increased post covid as some lots around us reduced (by the dome, expansion).
NO one wants to be downtown in any of these cities, they don't want to pay to park when they can have a suburban location that has free parking. It is frustrating. I hear in LA it is over $45 a day to park. We actually had the lowest parking at our downtown office, but that seems to have increased post covid as some lots around us reduced (by the dome, expansion).
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They get some of the biggest checks in the industry so they should not complain about commuting.addxb2 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2024Biggest reasons I hear:
- Commuting is a waste of time and money.
- Teams are no longer consolidated to one location so there is no value.
- “Downtown ________ is unsafe and dirty”
Many “Amazonians” acknowledge they fled Seattle the second they could because of crime, homelessness, cost of living.
Also, to begin with I bet not everyone in the silicon valley started their jobs by living in downtown. They all bought houses in suburbs well before pandemic so pandemic is just an excuse IMHO though I don't deny management is also trying to capitalize on it.
ATT took it one step further and told my wife that her job among others was being consolidated from one of many regional offices to a small number of major offices and to add a little salt to the wound you have to pay for the move yourself.. We know a few people in St. Louis area, like ourselves but from a different location, who had/have to make the choice of move to Dallas or Atlanta on your own dime because that was were their job will be by a given dateaddxb2 wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2024Corporate Amazon employee here. Everyone is pissed but knows they won’t find the same compensation anywhere else.
Everyone believes it’s a ploy to get people out without severance or unemployment. Game is waiting coworkers out until leadership gets what they want and loosens grip.
Not a single person I speak to wants to return to their downtown office. Seattle, Arlington, Chicago, San Antonio, Phoenix… no one.
Unfortunately, Amazon’s policy change will eventually re-consolidate talent back to hubs. There are corporate employees in St. Louis who are either exempt (few) or working from an office at one of the regional fulfillment centers to meet the current three day requirement.
That will either change abruptly for some or they will not backfill the role where it currently exists if those people leave Amazon.
THAT BEING SAID, St. Louis has some attention from AWS thanks to NGA. There are high tech roles available to applicants in either STL or Virginia. I assume most have been filled in Virginia.
That will either change abruptly for some or they will not backfill the role where it currently exists if those people leave Amazon.
THAT BEING SAID, St. Louis has some attention from AWS thanks to NGA. There are high tech roles available to applicants in either STL or Virginia. I assume most have been filled in Virginia.
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Henderson Cos., a Kansas based construction company opened its 14th nationwide office in St. Louis on September 11. They currently have 2 employees here and are looking to hire 8 more. They say the local headcount will be determined by the evolving needs of the business.
They're working out of the Spark STL co-working office in the PwC Pennant Building downtown.
I was totally expecting their office to be out in Chesterfield or Maryland Heights or something and was pleasantly surprised to see they chose downtown! Obviously 2 employees is basically nothing, but 2 workers and possibly 8 more downtown is better than somewhere way out in the suburbs.
Henderson Cos., a Kansas based construction company opened its 14th nationwide office in St. Louis on September 11. They currently have 2 employees here and are looking to hire 8 more. They say the local headcount will be determined by the evolving needs of the business.
They're working out of the Spark STL co-working office in the PwC Pennant Building downtown.
I was totally expecting their office to be out in Chesterfield or Maryland Heights or something and was pleasantly surprised to see they chose downtown! Obviously 2 employees is basically nothing, but 2 workers and possibly 8 more downtown is better than somewhere way out in the suburbs.