And it has windows boarded up from assault rifle fire. Extremely frustrating.
49ers receiver and recent #1 pick was shot in the chest yesterday in Union Square. That’s gonna be pretty tough on the vibe check of DT SF
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Big Muddy Blues fest was so much fun on Sunday.
I suspect the 63102 drop is because the Cardinals are going on 10 years of dull product and fans aren’t showing up anymore.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 04, 2024Still growing....
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Cardinals are going on 10 years of dull product and fans aren’t showing up anymore
Have noticed the owners have quieted regarding asking for money (tax breaks?) to fix up their stadium GOOD!
Have noticed the owners have quieted regarding asking for money (tax breaks?) to fix up their stadium GOOD!
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Just curious. The St. Louis City Library is closing in the Old Post-Office downtown. What other tenants are in the building and what is the future of the building? Apologize if this has been addressed in other threads. I have been to the library a few times, but I do not know that much about it. Just wanting to educate myself on this building. It is an amazing structure!
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https://greaterstlinc.com/sites/default ... 0FINAL.pdf
GSLs report on railway and millennium and few other things
GSLs report on railway and millennium and few other things
Various state offices (despite all the hoopla about the “state” leaving downtown) it has state AG, state SOS and state courtsDogtownBnR wrote: ↑Sep 12, 2024Just curious. The St. Louis City Library is closing in the Old Post-Office downtown. What other tenants are in the building and what is the future of the building? Apologize if this has been addressed in other threads. I have been to the library a few times, but I do not know that much about it. Just wanting to educate myself on this building. It is an amazing structure!
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^Glad to hear it has other tenants to keep it going.
What other uses could you foresee the library space being used for?
What other uses could you foresee the library space being used for?
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I like going in that building. Sad that the library is closing. It actually had people in it every time I went. The atrium is neatDogtownBnR wrote: ↑Sep 12, 2024Just curious. The St. Louis City Library is closing in the Old Post-Office downtown. What other tenants are in the building and what is the future of the building? Apologize if this has been addressed in other threads. I have been to the library a few times, but I do not know that much about it. Just wanting to educate myself on this building. It is an amazing structure!
There’s actually a museum in there too that doesn’t even show up on maps that probably nobody knows about
Its other use is mostly government
Biggest note is to not require demo of Millenium but allow it. This is a rare instance where I believe the developer should demo. The site has space for three towers. Could add so many residents by building a condo/apartment type complex similar to places like south loop chicago. It would be a plus if one tower had interesting designdbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 12, 2024https://greaterstlinc.com/sites/default ... 0FINAL.pdf
GSLs report on railway and millennium and few other things
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^Would the City allow a bunch of towers just south of the Arch? I've never really understood the obsession with the Arch views. Most towers lower than 30-40 stories would not impede any views. The most important view is through the Gateway Mall. What a great opportunity that spot presents for signature towers on the welcome mat of our City!
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@DogtownBnR Central express library has closed for good. It was closed as of Aug 16, 2024.delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑Sep 12, 2024I like going in that building. Sad that the library is closing. It actually had people in it every time I went. The atrium is neatDogtownBnR wrote: ↑Sep 12, 2024Just curious. The St. Louis City Library is closing in the Old Post-Office downtown. What other tenants are in the building and what is the future of the building? Apologize if this has been addressed in other threads. I have been to the library a few times, but I do not know that much about it. Just wanting to educate myself on this building. It is an amazing structure!
There’s actually a museum in there too that doesn’t even show up on maps that probably nobody knows about
Its other use is mostly government
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^Yep, my bad. I meant to say that. The news articles prompted my initial questions. Too bad on the library, but again, glad it is still being used by gov. workers.
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I would support razing Millennium Hotel.
I think we have a very real opportunity with that site. Combined with the Gateway South Development on the other side of the highway, we have a very real chance to change the perceptions of people coming across the Poplar St. Bridge.
And I personally don't think there should be any height maximums near the Arch.
Would we really turn down a 750' tower if a developer were to propose it? Not that I think we have the demand for that at that site.
A few tall towers at the forefront of the skyline would be a welcome sight for me. I believe it would enhance the aesthetics of the St. Louis skyline, not diminish it.
I think we have a very real opportunity with that site. Combined with the Gateway South Development on the other side of the highway, we have a very real chance to change the perceptions of people coming across the Poplar St. Bridge.
And I personally don't think there should be any height maximums near the Arch.
Would we really turn down a 750' tower if a developer were to propose it? Not that I think we have the demand for that at that site.
A few tall towers at the forefront of the skyline would be a welcome sight for me. I believe it would enhance the aesthetics of the St. Louis skyline, not diminish it.
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I could see the maximum being flexible and allowing it to be waved via some kind of political vote. Seems like it already is there since if there was a vote to authorize a proposal it would supersede the height restriction anyway. To me the obsession with height isn't really that productive in terms of getting to what we really want which is a strong vibrant downtown but i will be a little sad to see the taller tower gone.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Sep 12, 2024I would support razing Millennium Hotel.
I think we have a very real opportunity with that site. Combined with the Gateway South Development on the other side of the highway, we have a very real chance to change the perceptions of people coming across the Poplar St. Bridge.
And I personally don't think there should be any height maximums near the Arch.
Would we really turn down a 750' tower if a developer were to propose it? Not that I think we have the demand for that at that site.
A few tall towers at the forefront of the skyline would be a welcome sight for me. I believe it would enhance the aesthetics of the St. Louis skyline, not diminish it.
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There is an established height limit south of Carr, North of Chouteau and East of Broadway of, I think, 340ft. That’s why when HDA proposed 300 South Broadway, it was limited to 33-stories. For the Millennium site, and the northern edge of Gateway South, I think upping the limit to 500ft would be appropriate.
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St.Louis needs some height we have the most underwhelming skyline in the country for a major city that has a significant presence on a very important waterway
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I'm not obsessed with height. I think I'd love to see three 400' towers on the site.
But I honestly don't love the existing tower. I think it's a symbol of that ugly '60s urban renewal stuff that scarred the city with policies that were unfriendly to urban areas.
The base of the building is awful. Even if the tower were to be saved, the entire base would have to be redone for me to be happy about the project.
Anything new that goes there should interact with the street in a much more meaningful way that what the previous generation of St. Louisans had in that same spot.
But I honestly don't love the existing tower. I think it's a symbol of that ugly '60s urban renewal stuff that scarred the city with policies that were unfriendly to urban areas.
The base of the building is awful. Even if the tower were to be saved, the entire base would have to be redone for me to be happy about the project.
Anything new that goes there should interact with the street in a much more meaningful way that what the previous generation of St. Louisans had in that same spot.
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Agreed, skyscrapers are definitely the most overrated element of a city. At this site, I just want the residential density, and because of the arch and the stadium, if they build multiple towers of at least 300 feet, the buildings will attract people for the views and amenities that can be offered. This is one of those sites where the economics for the developer actually make sense to go tall. Whatever maximizes units would be my wish for this siteSTLEnginerd wrote: ↑Sep 12, 2024I could see the maximum being flexible and allowing it to be waved via some kind of political vote. Seems like it already is there since if there was a vote to authorize a proposal it would supersede the height restriction anyway. To me the obsession with height isn't really that productive in terms of getting to what we really want which is a strong vibrant downtown but i will be a little sad to see the taller tower gone.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Sep 12, 2024I would support razing Millennium Hotel.
I think we have a very real opportunity with that site. Combined with the Gateway South Development on the other side of the highway, we have a very real chance to change the perceptions of people coming across the Poplar St. Bridge.
And I personally don't think there should be any height maximums near the Arch.
Would we really turn down a 750' tower if a developer were to propose it? Not that I think we have the demand for that at that site.
A few tall towers at the forefront of the skyline would be a welcome sight for me. I believe it would enhance the aesthetics of the St. Louis skyline, not diminish it.
My prediction is that we will see a proposal for a 350-400 foot tower and two accompanying buildings of around 150 feet each.
My preference would be for the entire thing to get torn down, Clark reconnected to Memorial Drive, and two high rise apartment buildings built to the max height of the height limit.
If they feel the need to save the 28 story building, I could live with that, but the shorter tower has to go and the monstrosity at the base has to go too and allow Clark to be reconnected.
If they feel the need to save the 28 story building, I could live with that, but the shorter tower has to go and the monstrosity at the base has to go too and allow Clark to be reconnected.
Absolutely agreed.Auggie wrote: ↑Sep 12, 2024My preference would be for the entire thing to get torn down, Clark reconnected to Memorial Drive, and two high rise apartment buildings built to the max height of the height limit.
If they feel the need to save the 28 story building, I could live with that, but the shorter tower has to go and the monstrosity at the base has to go too and allow Clark to be reconnected.
I love the idea of saving the tall building, bringing back the revolving restaurant (if even possible). The grid needs to be reconnected and the rest of the complex destroyed, though.
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Agree on Clark St.
Another thing that I would love to see for the Millennium Hotel site is street-level interaction with not only 4th St., but also with Memorial Dr.
I've said it on this forum many times that it's unbelievable to me that the only business facing the national park and the river is an axe-throwing business.
I know the highway complicates things. But still. And if Clark is reconnected to Memorial Dr., I do think that there should be a pedestrian walkway that extends over the highway into the Arch grounds. A walkway there could enhance connection between downtown, the park, and the Gateway South development. But part of that is dependent on connections being made between Gateway South and the park, too.
Another thing that I would love to see for the Millennium Hotel site is street-level interaction with not only 4th St., but also with Memorial Dr.
I've said it on this forum many times that it's unbelievable to me that the only business facing the national park and the river is an axe-throwing business.
I know the highway complicates things. But still. And if Clark is reconnected to Memorial Dr., I do think that there should be a pedestrian walkway that extends over the highway into the Arch grounds. A walkway there could enhance connection between downtown, the park, and the Gateway South development. But part of that is dependent on connections being made between Gateway South and the park, too.
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Back when the Cards were in the NLCS last it was noticeable that the building featured prominently in the camera shots. I kept thinking - "Man, someone like Kaldi's needs to open that restaurant back up and slap their logo on top of that building."
Given the tall tower configuration as a hotel, I had previously thought a commercial conversion similar to the U Club tower - smaller offices and medical suites - for small firms with only one, two or a handful of employees - would be ideal and rather easily executed. Executive suites, with a welcome area, break room and 1, 2, or 3 offices are hard to find, IMO. You could encourage small businesses to relocate to downtown (and grow) while providing the immediate customer base for the restaurant. The whole thing likely needs new windows and a reskin, maybe zinc tiles would be cool. I estimate 35 million. Residential conversion would be 50-60 is my guess. The few times i stayed there the soundproofing was god awful.
Given the tall tower configuration as a hotel, I had previously thought a commercial conversion similar to the U Club tower - smaller offices and medical suites - for small firms with only one, two or a handful of employees - would be ideal and rather easily executed. Executive suites, with a welcome area, break room and 1, 2, or 3 offices are hard to find, IMO. You could encourage small businesses to relocate to downtown (and grow) while providing the immediate customer base for the restaurant. The whole thing likely needs new windows and a reskin, maybe zinc tiles would be cool. I estimate 35 million. Residential conversion would be 50-60 is my guess. The few times i stayed there the soundproofing was god awful.