One article said it started on the platform between the suspect and others, and the officer got him on the street.stlurbanist wrote: ↑May 30, 2024Just read news - it was out on the street and not on the metrolink platform. Nevertheless, it is not good.
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Will it change the perception of ubiquitous guns?Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑May 30, 20243 shootings tied to MetroLink in the last 3 weeks. Not good for public perception.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:Shootout on Civic Center Metro platform. Sheriff Deputy took down teen shooter. Woof.
Just last week I took Amtrak down from Chicago on the late train and took Metro to Cortex where I walked home at 1100pm. The train was fairly full of workers leaving Cards game, felt pretty confident in our lightrail that day.
^No. The only solution to gun violence is more gun violence. Welcome to Missouri.
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@quincunx fantastic question! i never thought about it and always focused on crime stats.
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So dang frustrating.
I have faith in St. Louis' MetroLink, but we have got to get this figured out.
I have faith in St. Louis' MetroLink, but we have got to get this figured out.
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It's no secret that Jeff City has been hamstringing our metro areas law enforcement efforts with their anti-gun control legislation. If everyone can show out, then shootouts will continue to show up in the show me state.
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Can someone tell me how to reach Metro's safety team to lodge a complaint?
Today I witnessed multiple people smoking cigars and cigarettes in broad daylight. A man was encouraging others to participate in his card betting fames from Cortex to Convention. I texted security and a guard boarded the train but he did nothing....literally nothing.
This is not the first time I witnessed smoking in the train. Contrary to the general perception, buses are much cleaner and well maintained in majority of cases. I never witnessed anyone smoking or participating in activities worth being ticketed.
Any comments?
Today I witnessed multiple people smoking cigars and cigarettes in broad daylight. A man was encouraging others to participate in his card betting fames from Cortex to Convention. I texted security and a guard boarded the train but he did nothing....literally nothing.
This is not the first time I witnessed smoking in the train. Contrary to the general perception, buses are much cleaner and well maintained in majority of cases. I never witnessed anyone smoking or participating in activities worth being ticketed.
Any comments?
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I think it would be a pretty futile effort. Smoking and loud music is generally part of the Metro Link experience in St Louis and many other cities. Security is generally not going to do anything about it.stlurbanist wrote:Can someone tell me how to reach Metro's safety team to lodge a complaint?
Today I witnessed multiple people smoking cigars and cigarettes in broad daylight. A man was encouraging others to participate in his card betting fames from Cortex to Convention. I texted security and a guard boarded the train but he did nothing....literally nothing.
This is not the first time I witnessed smoking in the train. Contrary to the general perception, buses are much cleaner and well maintained in majority of cases. I never witnessed anyone smoking or participating in activities worth being ticketed.
Any comments?
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so what falls under "if you see, say something"?Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jun 06, 2024I think it would be a pretty futile effort. Smoking and loud music is generally part of the Metro Link experience in St Louis and many other cities. Security is generally not going to do anything about it.stlurbanist wrote:Can someone tell me how to reach Metro's safety team to lodge a complaint?
Today I witnessed multiple people smoking cigars and cigarettes in broad daylight. A man was encouraging others to participate in his card betting fames from Cortex to Convention. I texted security and a guard boarded the train but he did nothing....literally nothing.
This is not the first time I witnessed smoking in the train. Contrary to the general perception, buses are much cleaner and well maintained in majority of cases. I never witnessed anyone smoking or participating in activities worth being ticketed.
Any comments?
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I understand that it may be difficult to police, but it should not be impossible. I would hope it is not futile or we do really have a concern.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jun 06, 2024I think it would be a pretty futile effort. Smoking and loud music is generally part of the Metro Link experience in St Louis and many other cities. Security is generally not going to do anything about it.stlurbanist wrote:Can someone tell me how to reach Metro's safety team to lodge a complaint?
Today I witnessed multiple people smoking cigars and cigarettes in broad daylight. A man was encouraging others to participate in his card betting fames from Cortex to Convention. I texted security and a guard boarded the train but he did nothing....literally nothing.
This is not the first time I witnessed smoking in the train. Contrary to the general perception, buses are much cleaner and well maintained in majority of cases. I never witnessed anyone smoking or participating in activities worth being ticketed.
Any comments?
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We have a concern. What's happening is the line of acceptability is constantly moving in the wrong direction. The lack of response ensures continued movement towards an out of control uncivilized society. Civility is eroding at a rapid pace. If we continue down the same path for another decade or so I shudder to think of the repercussions.STLCityMike wrote: ↑Jun 06, 2024I understand that it may be difficult to police, but it should not be impossible. I would hope it is not futile or we do really have a concern.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jun 06, 2024I think it would be a pretty futile effort. Smoking and loud music is generally part of the Metro Link experience in St Louis and many other cities. Security is generally not going to do anything about it.stlurbanist wrote:Can someone tell me how to reach Metro's safety team to lodge a complaint?
Today I witnessed multiple people smoking cigars and cigarettes in broad daylight. A man was encouraging others to participate in his card betting fames from Cortex to Convention. I texted security and a guard boarded the train but he did nothing....literally nothing.
This is not the first time I witnessed smoking in the train. Contrary to the general perception, buses are much cleaner and well maintained in majority of cases. I never witnessed anyone smoking or participating in activities worth being ticketed.
Any comments?
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I think people have been smoking, playing loud music, etc on trains in St Louis and other cities for some time. It’s something I expect when riding the train. Maybe it’s better during peak commuter hours?STLinCHI wrote:We have a concern. What's happening is the line of acceptability is constantly moving in the wrong direction. The lack of response ensures continued movement towards an out of control uncivilized society. Civility is eroding at a rapid pace. If we continue down the same path for another decade or so I shudder to think of the repercussions.STLCityMike wrote: ↑Jun 06, 2024I understand that it may be difficult to police, but it should not be impossible. I would hope it is not futile or we do really have a concern.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jun 06, 2024I think it would be a pretty futile effort. Smoking and loud music is generally part of the Metro Link experience in St Louis and many other cities. Security is generally not going to do anything about it.
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It’s just not something that’s ever really enforced is all I’m saying. I don’t know how you change that, other wise it would be.
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My issue is the Allied Universal to whom Metro gave the security contract is being lax. Some of the guards most of the times turn a blind eye while on train they either are not paid well or are scared of confronting offenders. Something needs to change.
I agree that this is pervasive across system in other cities but when you are trying to change the perception and narrative, you will need to pay attention on these things.
I agree that this is pervasive across system in other cities but when you are trying to change the perception and narrative, you will need to pay attention on these things.
The way it seems to me is that the team in black and yellow, other than saying “hey! Don’t do that!” are not empowered to really do anything about any of the issues. Once the trains enter the county and “the boys in brown” make an occasional appearance, it does make a bit of a difference. But in my experience the smoking, pot smoking, loud music, etc. happens mostly while the trains are traveling in the city limits, so not much changes. Until we get an actual empowered Metro security force that can enforce rules in both city and county, nothing will change.
This is so frustrating. What are we paying these people for? I understand that shenanigans happen, but for the company to do nothing about the obnoxious and clearly disallowed behavior is unacceptable.stlurbanist wrote: ↑Jun 07, 2024My issue is the Allied Universal to whom Metro gave the security contract is being lax. Some of the guards most of the times turn a blind eye while on train they either are not paid well or are scared of confronting offenders. Something needs to change.
I agree that this is pervasive across system in other cities but when you are trying to change the perception and narrative, you will need to pay attention on these things.
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My problem is they don't even say `Hey! Don't do that!`jeffrk wrote: ↑Jun 09, 2024The way it seems to me is that the team in black and yellow, other than saying “hey! Don’t do that!” are not empowered to really do anything about any of the issues. Once the trains enter the county and “the boys in brown” make an occasional appearance, it does make a bit of a difference. But in my experience the smoking, pot smoking, loud music, etc. happens mostly while the trains are traveling in the city limits, so not much changes. Until we get an actual empowered Metro security force that can enforce rules in both city and county, nothing will change.
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The first turnstiles are being installed and they are UGLY
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Every recently updated system is using the panel fare gates. How did we end up with the metal turnstiles? They do at least have tap entry, correct?GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Sep 05, 2024The first turnstiles are being installed and they are UGLY
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From what I understand, the turnstiles will have tap entry. You'll be able to use a credit or debit card, even.
Bloomberg - All Aboard the ‘Crime Train’ Narrative
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Cracking down on fare evasion can get messy. 4 were shot in NYC subway station when police say they tried to subdue man with knife | NPR
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This gate has been installed at the Central West End station's west entrance.
It looks like they are adding one to the east entrance as well.
It looks like they are adding one to the east entrance as well.
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The whole thing is a blasted horror show. I worry it will completely ruin the system and I don't know how we ever make something like that anything other than ugly, intrusive, slow, and utterly horrible.