Their original reporting indicated a shooting on the train. They have since revised it to say a man was stabbed near the station.Debaliviere91 wrote:https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime ... 82747ea954
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It doesn’t appear that they asked a lot of probing questions at allquincunx wrote:Did KSDK ask MoDOT if it had anything to do with I64?
Assuming this is accurate and assuming those who don’t pay will still use the service, best case scenario is that the turnstile project captures $800,000 to $1.2MM annually. 48-65 years to pay off.
Not including any indirect theoretical benefit of creating a “safer” user experience.
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Not including any indirect theoretical benefit of creating a “safer” user experience.
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Im not in the camp that chasing after fare compliance is really worth it, but I just can’t imagine that 95% number is accurate in my experience.addxb2 wrote:Assuming this is accurate and assuming those who don’t pay will still use the service, best case scenario is that the turnstile project captures $800,000 to $1.2MM annually. 48-65 years to pay off.
Not including any indirect theoretical benefit of creating a “safer” user experience.
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Why can't it be accurate. that would just mean 1 in 20 cheats, which seems reasonable. Also they don't do audits at times like during cardinals game when i'll wager there may be more fare evasion, but as a percentage i think it might holdup.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2023Im not in the camp that chasing after fare compliance is really worth it, but I just can’t imagine that 95% number is accurate in my experience.addxb2 wrote:Assuming this is accurate and assuming those who don’t pay will still use the service, best case scenario is that the turnstile project captures $800,000 to $1.2MM annually. 48-65 years to pay off.
Not including any indirect theoretical benefit of creating a “safer” user experience.
Fare compliance on the buses should be high as well since there is a driver there to enforce it.
Honestly its a little heartwarming to know people are generally pretty damn honest. It also highlights that turnstiles are a very poor investment.
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Turnstiles are only worth it if they increase the perception of safety, and thus the number of riders.STLEnginerd wrote:Why can't it be accurate. that would just mean 1 in 20 cheats, which seems reasonable. Also they don't do audits at times like during cardinals game when i'll wager there may be more fare evasion, but as a percentage i think it might holdup.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2023Im not in the camp that chasing after fare compliance is really worth it, but I just can’t imagine that 95% number is accurate in my experience.addxb2 wrote:Assuming this is accurate and assuming those who don’t pay will still use the service, best case scenario is that the turnstile project captures $800,000 to $1.2MM annually. 48-65 years to pay off.
Not including any indirect theoretical benefit of creating a “safer” user experience.
Fare compliance on the buses should be high as well since there is a driver there to enforce it.
Honestly its a little heartwarming to know people are generally pretty damn honest. It also highlights that turnstiles are a very poor investment.
I’m a regular rider. I get many people could be prepaying or using passes from the hospital/WashU/etc programs, but I never see people buying tickets at the station before riding and I never see them checking for tickets. I just don’t see how it could be at 95% compliance. At least when I am riding.
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MetroLink probably recorded between 350,000 and 400,000 unlinked passenger trips in that period of October 17th- November 6th. Based on last year’s numbers.
8,500 is about 2% of riders. Hard to know what share of that was university pass holders.
8,500 is about 2% of riders. Hard to know what share of that was university pass holders.
You have to show a pass or pay to ride the bus, so that’s at 100%. And that’s how 95% of Metrolink riders get to a station.
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I know bars and fences make me feel safe. Whenever I drive through a neighborhood with bars on all the windows I think "what a safe neighborhood this is".Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2023Turnstiles are only worth it if they increase the perception of safety, and thus the number of riders.STLEnginerd wrote:Why can't it be accurate. that would just mean 1 in 20 cheats, which seems reasonable. Also they don't do audits at times like during cardinals game when i'll wager there may be more fare evasion, but as a percentage i think it might holdup.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2023Im not in the camp that chasing after fare compliance is really worth it, but I just can’t imagine that 95% number is accurate in my experience.
Fare compliance on the buses should be high as well since there is a driver there to enforce it.
Honestly its a little heartwarming to know people are generally pretty damn honest. It also highlights that turnstiles are a very poor investment.
I’m a regular rider. I get many people could be prepaying or using passes from the hospital/WashU/etc programs, but I never see people buying tickets at the station before riding and I never see them checking for tickets. I just don’t see how it could be at 95% compliance. At least when I am riding.
I generally assume most riders are regulars using monthly passes or something unless there's a major sporting event happening, but maybe I'm wrong.
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I rode metrolink in the time range every single day but I was never checked for fare. Last time someone checked my fare was prior to pandemic.addxb2 wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2023Assuming this is accurate and assuming those who don’t pay will still use the service, best case scenario is that the turnstile project captures $800,000 to $1.2MM annually. 48-65 years to pay off.
Not including any indirect theoretical benefit of creating a “safer” user experience.
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I've had my fare checked numerous times post-pandemic. It's certainly not every time I ride, but I've definitely had it happen in recent months.
I don't ride that often and I've had mine "checked" (by looking at my Gateway Card without scanning it to verify I've paid) post-pandemic.
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Metrolink crime through Q3
Over half of the “violent crimes” involved no victim but metro police proactively arresting people for illegal guns on the system.
Over half of the “violent crimes” involved no victim but metro police proactively arresting people for illegal guns on the system.
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BART's new fare gate installation begins at West Oakland station
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What do you folks think about Metros plans to stop ads on exteriors and lose at least million in revenue.
For me, safety trumps aesthetics and perception - no brainer.
I would LOVE for the metro to have security personnel ride trains all the time..
For me, safety trumps aesthetics and perception - no brainer.
I would LOVE for the metro to have security personnel ride trains all the time..
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It will be nice to not see giant ads of ambulance chasing lawyers, but I don’t know if that’s worth giving up $1.5M in profit when we are still trying to find funds for things like increasing driver pay to attract more of them and increase routes.stlurbanist wrote:What do you folks think about Metros plans to stop ads on exteriors and lose at least million in revenue.
For me, safety trumps aesthetics and perception - no brainer.
I would LOVE for the metro to have security personnel ride trains all the time..
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I totally agree. There are so many things they can use that $$ for.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 08, 2024It will be nice to not see giant ads of ambulance chasing lawyers, but I don’t know if that’s worth giving up $1.5M in profit when we are still trying to find funds for things like increasing driver pay to attract more of them and increase routes.stlurbanist wrote:What do you folks think about Metros plans to stop ads on exteriors and lose at least million in revenue.
For me, safety trumps aesthetics and perception - no brainer.
I would LOVE for the metro to have security personnel ride trains all the time..
I’ll be the devils advocate. I bet advertising was a pain to manage and probably did more damage to the vehicles than you would expect. Also, $1.5M isn’t nearly as much as I would have expected.
I see benefits in a clean system.
I see benefits in a clean system.
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I think it's disingenuous to say "we are losing 1.5 mil USD in revenue" without knowing the details of the profit margin after overhead from sales, ongoing management and upkeep/damage to vehicles as addxb2 points out.
I think this advertisement modality is a fossil in the age of the cell phone (though lawyers wouldn't do it if they weren't getting a return) and the clean look buses create a better perception. jmo
I think this advertisement modality is a fossil in the age of the cell phone (though lawyers wouldn't do it if they weren't getting a return) and the clean look buses create a better perception. jmo
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I’m reasonably familiar with ad costs. At $1.5M in revenue, they are giving up $1M in pure profit at a minimum. This seems short sited for an organization that I don’t even think runs at a profit and has had to cut bus/train routes and frequency.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:I think it's disingenuous to say "we are losing 1.5 mil USD in revenue" without knowing the details of the profit margin after overhead from sales, ongoing management and upkeep/damage to vehicles as addxb2 points out.
I think this advertisement modality is a fossil in the age of the cell phone (though lawyers wouldn't do it if they weren't getting a return) and the clean look buses create a better perception. jmo
Imagine if Forest Park came with a dozen billboards for personal injury lawyers along 64?
I probably shouldn’t but I trust CEO Roach on this. He has no reason to impulsively stop advertising at Metro. He’s been (annoyingly) pressured to operate a budget positive organization, he wouldn’t do this if it weren’t negligible when considering indirect or unmeasured costs.
I probably shouldn’t but I trust CEO Roach on this. He has no reason to impulsively stop advertising at Metro. He’s been (annoyingly) pressured to operate a budget positive organization, he wouldn’t do this if it weren’t negligible when considering indirect or unmeasured costs.
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How can you compare a park and a bus? And you’re right, you shouldn’t trust CEO Roach on this.addxb2 wrote:Imagine if Forest Park came with a dozen billboards for personal injury lawyers along 64?
I probably shouldn’t but I trust CEO Roach on this. He has no reason to impulsively stop advertising at Metro. He’s been (annoyingly) pressured to operate a budget positive organization, he wouldn’t do this if it weren’t negligible when considering indirect or unmeasured costs.