They have a station on the river by AB that I think they have their boats at or some of them. I assume that all will still run out of there.dredger wrote: ↑Jul 11, 2024My bet is more likely it will be for maritime and waterway inspection group. USCG does a lot of routine vessel inspections as well as safety investigations. Recent regulatory changes on smaller work & tug boats added to there burden and number of vessel inspections. USCG inspectors typically come to vessel instead of vessel coming to them but work out of local office, etc..MattnSTL wrote: ↑Jul 11, 2024Seems like it will mostly be a recruiting station at this point.
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Yea that is a neat building and probably could be a cool hangout spot. As all of the landing. Better than abandoned though.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Jul 10, 2024tbh dont love it, that was a good spot for a restaurant, we have so few places to actually enjoy the river view
It’s also unfortunate that on commercial alley, it’s just one long big abandoned parking lot. And we have an unused market space on the riverfront (the blue and red pavilion) that could be cool.
The landing should be one of the premiere riverfront areas in the country, connected with the arch park. We would then have one of the best riverfronts in the country. It’s good to see some of the private investment residential conversion but the city doesn’t seem to value the landing very much. Let’s it get trashed and hardly utilizes the space.
There needs to be development on the lots with 14th and Spruce type buildings within the landing when they fill out the existing spaces and green vegetation in the flood zones.
With a partial landing comeback and gateway south sandwiching the arch grounds, all of a sudden you have a very good riverfront. But the city needs to play its part in utilizing and updating the infrastructure, making it more recreational friendly.
Bordered by interstates and this amount of vacant land to the north doesn’t make it easier to get foot traffic up in downtown. It is crazy how much our downtown disappears north of Washington.
RIP Bottle District and Rams riverfront Stadium. Maybe if we fill out downtown residential, new condos will want to go in these neighborhoods. It is a rough entrance into our city off 70.
RIP Bottle District and Rams riverfront Stadium. Maybe if we fill out downtown residential, new condos will want to go in these neighborhoods. It is a rough entrance into our city off 70.
I guess the police were trying to make a show of force Saturday night. They had two flatbeds and two hook style tow trucks at Market and 7th.
Still didn't stop the ATV and motorbike guys as they were buzzing all around and happily running red lights.
Still didn't stop the ATV and motorbike guys as they were buzzing all around and happily running red lights.
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Often we think we’re special and some things only happen here
Meanwhile in the UK
Meanwhile in the UK
After Whisky on Washington moves to Lucas Park Grill space, a new concept called the The Passport (drinks from around the world) will open in the WoW space
Scale AI signed a lease at 1227 Washington (I think the new lease isnt right, they were there) but it appears that Balto is no longer there because its space is on Loopnet, only reason i can tell its their space is the reception area can be seen on their website Loopnet listing
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Did Dentons leave downtown then?dbInSouthCity wrote:Scale AI signed a lease at 1227 Washington (I think the new lease isnt right, they were there) but it appears that Balto is no longer there because its space is on Loopnet, only reason i can tell its their space is the reception area can be seen on their website Loopnet listing
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Windows on Washington is closing after 30 years unfortunately.
It’s such a shame because they’ve really had a lot of events there and brought a lot of people down to the area that wouldn’t otherwise visit. Anecdotally, an event at WoW is often the only time many suburbanites get down to Wash Ave.
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It’s such a shame because they’ve really had a lot of events there and brought a lot of people down to the area that wouldn’t otherwise visit. Anecdotally, an event at WoW is often the only time many suburbanites get down to Wash Ave.
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Owner is retiring and wants to find a buyerDebaliviere91 wrote: ↑Aug 01, 2024Windows on Washington is closing after 30 years unfortunately.
It’s such a shame because they’ve really had a lot of events there and brought a lot of people down to the area that wouldn’t otherwise visit. Anecdotally, an event at WoW is often the only time many suburbanites get down to Wash Ave.
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This is going to be a big phenomenon over the next 5-10 years.
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^ i hope by big phenomenon you don't mean businesses closing down.
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Yep. He owns the entire building and is listing it for sale.dbInSouthCity wrote:Owner is retiring and wants to find a buyerDebaliviere91 wrote: ↑Aug 01, 2024Windows on Washington is closing after 30 years unfortunately.
It’s such a shame because they’ve really had a lot of events there and brought a lot of people down to the area that wouldn’t otherwise visit. Anecdotally, an event at WoW is often the only time many suburbanites get down to Wash Ave.
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This is going to be a big phenomenon over the next 5-10 years.
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The Quiet Power of Car-Free Neighborhoods
Restricting or banning vehicles in congested city centers pays off with cleaner air and safer streets. We need to talk more about the other big benefit — less noise.
https://archive.ph/SDrYy
Restricting or banning vehicles in congested city centers pays off with cleaner air and safer streets. We need to talk more about the other big benefit — less noise.
https://archive.ph/SDrYy
Jacksonville FL largest and tallest tower sells for way less at auction.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/news/202 ... 5-million/
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This commentary annoys me. I was just in Omaha during the College World Series (it’s busiest time of year), and in no respect is Omaha doing walkable, transit, restaurants or things to do better than StL. Sure their old town is nice and the market they do is a great idea. They are adding some characterless 5 over 1s and have something similar to the gateway mall and a couple sports stadiums. Downtown wasn’t even busy and was pretty dead in most parts away from the stadium even with their biggest event of the year and temporary tents set up for bars and vendors on their crazy abundance of surface lots downtown. I think all cities have great things so do not want to put Omaha down but in no way is it an example to put StL down.
This tweet does represent what’s wrong with your downtown: our people have decided not to go because they are stuck in a mindset that it’s bad. Downtown needs people more than anything.
We need to improve the streets downtown for sure and calm traffic with dedicated bus lanes, bike lanes, cutouts, wider sidewalks, etc. But we as a region gotta stop like every other city has it figured out. If we would just get over it and support what is downtown, the retail will increase. Right now, a big part of it is our own culture in this region.
This tweet does represent what’s wrong with your downtown: our people have decided not to go because they are stuck in a mindset that it’s bad. Downtown needs people more than anything.
We need to improve the streets downtown for sure and calm traffic with dedicated bus lanes, bike lanes, cutouts, wider sidewalks, etc. But we as a region gotta stop like every other city has it figured out. If we would just get over it and support what is downtown, the retail will increase. Right now, a big part of it is our own culture in this region.
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Spot on. StL’s biggest problem is St. Louisan’s.
“Why doesn’t STL build up its downtown as a destination?”
Take 5 seconds to think about the attractions in downtown St. Louis and realize how stupid the above question is.
“Why doesn’t STL build up its downtown as a destination?”
Take 5 seconds to think about the attractions in downtown St. Louis and realize how stupid the above question is.
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I think these people are never happy with whatever progress St.Louis makes. Omaha is a very nice city however St.Louis is equally better. I happen to love the size of St.Louis whether it grows or not. We’re not overcrowded by any means. Great park systems etc. as much as I can gripe about our downtown’s misfortunes I believe we’re on the cusp to an even greater beautiful center city. I think our future is a lot more brighter than ever before
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Totally agree with the above comments. The garden is not as rosy as many would think in the Downtowns of many our peer cities.
Everyone knows about the regional city/county sh*t that has harmed Downtown, but the business community has also very much failed to provide the necessary backing and continues to scuttle away to 270/Clayton etc. I suspect Downtown Chesterfield will also attempt to pick off some office tenants.
I'm not sure what changes the situation in terms of businesses moving back here. One CEO of a big corporation simply with the "guts" to do something against the grain or more modern office space becoming available.
A rising tide lifts all boats as they say.....
Everyone knows about the regional city/county sh*t that has harmed Downtown, but the business community has also very much failed to provide the necessary backing and continues to scuttle away to 270/Clayton etc. I suspect Downtown Chesterfield will also attempt to pick off some office tenants.
I'm not sure what changes the situation in terms of businesses moving back here. One CEO of a big corporation simply with the "guts" to do something against the grain or more modern office space becoming available.
A rising tide lifts all boats as they say.....
It's also always frustrating how good news for downtown is always forgotten pretty quickly. Two pretty decent relocations downtown in recent memory was Build-A-Bear in 2020 and they recently expanded to fully occupy their HQ building (62,000 sf), the other was Larson Financial in 2022. Larson actually bought and renovated a building that was well on its way to becoming another vacant or nearly vacant eyesore. Now it actually looks really good with the new lighting and signage.
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Omaha has a great Downtown and they are currently building the cities new tallest tower (Mutual of Omaha) and the Gene Leahy Mall is a true urban gem. Old Town is also fantastic, just great vibrancy. HOWEVER:
- Omaha is unipolar around downtown. They aren't competing with a Clayton equivalent for jobs.
- The truly "urban" area of Omaha is pretty small, including the area around downtown and midtown. If you want to live an urban lifestyle in Omaha you don't have many neighborhood options like in STL. Thus urban vibrancy is concentrated and more visible than STL
- Their region and city is growing, which helps everything
- The Gene Leahy Mall is amazing and amenity dense, but they have the financial capacity to do that because their other parks don't hold a candle to STL. We should absolutely be looking to this project for inspiration when fleshing out the rest of our Gateway Mall though
Love to see some immediate momentum with this project. Hopefully some of these become permanent locations.
https://greaterstlinc.com/news/downtown ... p-awardees
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Downtown Retail Incentive Program Announces First Group of Awardees
The first group of Downtown Retail Incentive Program awardees are:
- Pour Decisions. This mobile cocktail provider is using a pop-up grant to establish their first brick-and-mortar location, The Passport, at 1321 Washington Avenue.
- Whip It Goods Skincare. A local skincare company that specializes in crafting high-quality, plant-based products will open a pop-up location at 1304 Washington Ave. that will introduce a first-of-its-kind retail concept to St. Louis, that combines traditional retail with experiential skincare workshops.
- Levels Nigerian Cuisine. Levels will use a grant from the “Inside Out” program to transform their outdoor storefront at 1405 Washington Ave into a more inviting and functional area, activating the streetscape and expanding their service capacity.
Everyone attacking Tom for what he said completely missed the point, DTSTL still has massive perception issues from the man on the street and certain areas where redevelopment has lagged or stalled.
Washington Avenue, for example, could be so much more than it is. Compare it to Broadway in Nashville or Michigan Avenue in Chicago. Even when Michigan Avenue hits a down time, there’s a very aggressive counter response from the City of Chicago to renew that area.
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Washington Avenue, for example, could be so much more than it is. Compare it to Broadway in Nashville or Michigan Avenue in Chicago. Even when Michigan Avenue hits a down time, there’s a very aggressive counter response from the City of Chicago to renew that area.
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Both can be true. I believe we are much harder on our downtown than we are on other regions around the US, but we can also acknowledge that it can and should be much better.
I live life on the road and have experienced the vast majority of downtown's in major/mid-market US cities. Most DTs have major challenges but there are also some great things going on that we should pull from. I think we tend to focus on the challenges because of our regional pride and ignore some really great investment in our DT. If you strolled through City Garden and grabbed a burger for lunch, then walked into BPV for drinks/games in the afternoon, then walked to BOB for dinner/drinks and music all in the shadow of the arch in Omaha you'd think cool place, great day. Here it feels like the local reaction is typically, meh, our DT sucks.
I live life on the road and have experienced the vast majority of downtown's in major/mid-market US cities. Most DTs have major challenges but there are also some great things going on that we should pull from. I think we tend to focus on the challenges because of our regional pride and ignore some really great investment in our DT. If you strolled through City Garden and grabbed a burger for lunch, then walked into BPV for drinks/games in the afternoon, then walked to BOB for dinner/drinks and music all in the shadow of the arch in Omaha you'd think cool place, great day. Here it feels like the local reaction is typically, meh, our DT sucks.
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https://t.co/5MypvLMItR
Washington Ave soon to have more travel related bars per capita than any place in the world
Take that Nashville
Washington Ave soon to have more travel related bars per capita than any place in the world
Take that Nashville
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What to do what to do?
We can look back and say it's the highways - take out the highways That won't happen in my lifetime possibly not yours
Tear all the old buildings down
No don't tear them down turn them into three four hundred apartments
It's going to take persons that have a cohesive plan for downtown And persons that ably plan it, pitch it, and pay for it. It will be bigger than The Foundry Ballpark Village Chesterfield St Charles....
I am somber ed to view the plans for some of the big projects in other cities. Bravo to those municipalities! The Ford corps in Detroit The big plans for the N side of Chicago. Where are our creators ?
All in all It may not be meant to be in St. Louis . Downtown is what it is. Lets let the future decide what to do with it.
I recently returned from five days in Albuquerque . A sad city of around a half a million. You can read on their social media that they are as frustrated as we are.
Week before Albuquerque I was in Buffalo for just under a week Definitely hearty people and using new approaches :
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-02-04/managing-a-modern-makeover-in-a-historic-buffalo-neighborhood?srnd=citylab
We can look back and say it's the highways - take out the highways That won't happen in my lifetime possibly not yours
Tear all the old buildings down
No don't tear them down turn them into three four hundred apartments
It's going to take persons that have a cohesive plan for downtown And persons that ably plan it, pitch it, and pay for it. It will be bigger than The Foundry Ballpark Village Chesterfield St Charles....
I am somber ed to view the plans for some of the big projects in other cities. Bravo to those municipalities! The Ford corps in Detroit The big plans for the N side of Chicago. Where are our creators ?
All in all It may not be meant to be in St. Louis . Downtown is what it is. Lets let the future decide what to do with it.
I recently returned from five days in Albuquerque . A sad city of around a half a million. You can read on their social media that they are as frustrated as we are.
Week before Albuquerque I was in Buffalo for just under a week Definitely hearty people and using new approaches :
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-02-04/managing-a-modern-makeover-in-a-historic-buffalo-neighborhood?srnd=citylab