None of the new NFL stadiums built since 2010 have had lids that open except Atlanta. Some are not heated and air conditioned. And few have full sun blackout control for concerts. I assume Jaguar and Nashville will follow suit.
I think they are all climate controlled minus LA which is an open facilitygary kreie wrote:None of the new NFL stadiums built since 2010 have had lids that open except Atlanta. Some are not heated and air conditioned. And few have full sun blackout control for concerts. I assume Jaguar and Nashville will follow suit.
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Not quite in the news, but the Dome played host to BoA's 2023 Super Regional marching band competition this past Friday and Saturday. Saw a lot of comments about the poor state of the field, and I gotta agree that it was honestly pretty embarrassing - crappy turf; crooked, spray painted yard lines next to the proper yard lines (which hopefully didn't cause any confusion with performers); and crappy duplicated yard numbers. See the attached pic for an example. Would really like to see the dome authorities put at least a bit of effort into not having a terrible looking field before major events.
Also saw comments about the poor state of the lot north of the Dome, but that's always been that way and don't see that changing any time soon.
Also saw comments about the poor state of the lot north of the Dome, but that's always been that way and don't see that changing any time soon.
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There’s nothing wrong with the turf. If there were, Mizzou and the Battelhawks wouldn’t be playing football games there. The patchy light green to dark green colouration is not any indication of quality of the turf itself.
And yes, the spray painted lines look poor but it’s an NFL/XFL field being used for college games which have different hash marks and expectations about the where the yardage indicators should be on the field.
And as far as the appearance of Dome’s turf being an “indication” of StL’s interest in seeing the NFL return, our XFL attendance and ratings speak for themselves.
But anyway it wouldn’t be an event in StL if people in StL didn’t bash it unreasonably. We have to be most self-loathing city in the nation. Easily the worst thing about living here.
And yes, the spray painted lines look poor but it’s an NFL/XFL field being used for college games which have different hash marks and expectations about the where the yardage indicators should be on the field.
And as far as the appearance of Dome’s turf being an “indication” of StL’s interest in seeing the NFL return, our XFL attendance and ratings speak for themselves.
But anyway it wouldn’t be an event in StL if people in StL didn’t bash it unreasonably. We have to be most self-loathing city in the nation. Easily the worst thing about living here.
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Yep. And it’s largely tied to the city’s junk science murder rankings. Our regional leaders are failing all of us by not addressing seriously ways to change this. Either through merging city and county police, or by pouring suburban funds into the worst areas of the region to reduce poverty / increase policing.
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"There’s nothing wrong with the turf. If there were, Mizzou and the Battelhawks wouldn’t be playing football games there"JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Oct 29, 2023There’s nothing wrong with the turf. If there were, Mizzou and the Battelhawks wouldn’t be playing football games there. The patchy light green to dark green colouration is not any indication of quality of the turf itself.
And yes, the spray painted lines look poor but it’s an NFL/XFL field being used for college games which have different hash marks and expectations about the where the yardage indicators should be on the field.
And as far as the appearance of Dome’s turf being an “indication” of StL’s interest in seeing the NFL return, our XFL attendance and ratings speak for themselves.
But anyway it wouldn’t be an event in StL if people in StL didn’t bash it unreasonably. We have to be most self-loathing city in the nation. Easily the worst thing about living here.
I mean, it's alright. Have you actually been on the field? I have, many times in the past to march. It's mid at best, barely better than my college's football field.
"The patchy light green to dark green colouration is not any indication of quality of the turf itself."
I am aware of that. Never said anything about the color, just the actual quality.
"And yes, the spray painted lines look poor but it’s an NFL/XFL field being used for college games which have different hash marks and expectations about the where the yardage indicators should be on the field."
That makes no sense - this has literally never been an issue before and that was when the Dome was actually being used by an NFL team. It has always had three sets of hash marks and has never had duplicated lines or yardage markings. It's just plain sloppy and should have been remedied before an event took place that requires accurate accounting of the football field markings.
"And as far as the appearance of Dome’s turf being an “indication” of StL’s interest in seeing the NFL return, our XFL attendance and ratings speak for themselves."
No clue where this is coming from as nothing of that sort was even brought up.
"But anyway it wouldn’t be an event in StL if people in StL didn’t bash it unreasonably. We have to be most self-loathing city in the nation. Easily the worst thing about living here."
How is it unreasonable to expect such an ostensibly low-hanging fruit such as playing field appearance be maintained? I'm not even really bashing STL or anything else other than the appearance of the field. In any case, I wasn't even the one bringing this up in the discussions - it was entirely out-of-towners making comments regarding the field. Of course, St. Louisans in the threads jumped on the bandwagon since it was an opportunity to sh*t on STL, but I was literally just repeating the impressions I got from out of towners. I agree that it's the worst thing about living here, but impressions do actually matter to outside folks and it was not an entirely positive one.
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I’ve long maintained the lighting is the biggest problem. Compare to the Atlanta stadium lighting where the field looks like daytime at night games on TV. The dome field has always looked more like the dim field. And I would like to see a hanging video screen as proposed in the proposal by the CVC to Kroenke.
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The dome field has always looked more like the dim field.
Same feeling/look regarding the Dome in St. Petersburg FL
But change is coming https://theathletic.com/4873875/2023/09/18/rays-stadium-deal-tropicana-field/
Same feeling/look regarding the Dome in St. Petersburg FL
But change is coming https://theathletic.com/4873875/2023/09/18/rays-stadium-deal-tropicana-field/
^ So true...been preaching this for years!gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 30, 2023Yep. And it’s largely tied to the city’s junk science murder rankings. Our regional leaders are failing all of us by not addressing seriously ways to change this. Either through merging city and county police, or by pouring suburban funds into the worst areas of the region to reduce poverty / increase policing.
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I'll agree with this. Dome lighting is somewhat lackluster - it always felt a bit 'dim' from the field level.gary kreie wrote: ↑Oct 31, 2023I’ve long maintained the lighting is the biggest problem. Compare to the Atlanta stadium lighting where the field looks like daytime at night games on TV. The dome field has always looked more like the dim field. And I would like to see a hanging video screen as proposed in the proposal by the CVC to Kroenke.
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Wonder if they could remodel the interior a bit and add some windows behind the end zones in addition to a new lighting package?
Oh look, the team that used to be here before the Rams is also a disaster.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/387 ... ce-culture
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I don’t know a ton about what a city can and can’t do in terms of real estate development. However, would it be possible for the city to use the settlement money as collateral to secure a much larger line of credit once rates drop down. Then use those proceeds to buy and develop undervalued properties downtown. Use the cash flow to cover the debt service and once the properties are stabilized, sell them to a third party to manage and collect tax revenue off the property?
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In theory, sounds good. In general, expecting local government to be able to develop a plan, deploy personnel or act as general contractor, and manage a multitude if projects is ill conceived. They are likely the least efficient vehicle, and too much money would be wasted in the servicing of expanded bureaucracy.
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thats why SLDC would do it and that org with Neal Richardsons leadership is top notch.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Jan 17, 2024In theory, sounds good. In general, expecting local government to be able to develop a plan, deploy personnel or act as general contractor, and manage a multitude if projects is ill conceived. They are likely the least efficient vehicle, and too much money would be wasted in the servicing of expanded bureaucracy.
also these funds are completely unrestricted so the city would set them of fire if they wanted.
I find it interesting these teams (Tennessee Titans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Chicago Bears) keep asking for public money for new stadiums yet they never invoke St. Louis, Oakland or San Diego as (empty) threats to move to.
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They know we won't pay. STL won't be a credible threat to lure an NFL team with tax dollars for another generation
^ yep, same thought.
I don't think the teams really have a place to go to either, maybe Austin?? and with three teams looking for dollars/stadiums I wouldn't be surprised that all the owners have agreed to not pursue or agreed to a move until respective teams make a play in the respective markets (complete speculation on my part). In addition, suspect (more speculation) that NFL really desires two new expansion team overseas, adding some international flare to the billionaires club. Start with London and maybe Mexico City is my bet.
I don't think the teams really have a place to go to either, maybe Austin?? and with three teams looking for dollars/stadiums I wouldn't be surprised that all the owners have agreed to not pursue or agreed to a move until respective teams make a play in the respective markets (complete speculation on my part). In addition, suspect (more speculation) that NFL really desires two new expansion team overseas, adding some international flare to the billionaires club. Start with London and maybe Mexico City is my bet.
The international club idea isn't logistically possible for several reasons. Unless the NFL was just going to start an entirely separate European league.dredger wrote: ↑Apr 27, 2024^ yep, same thought.
I don't think the teams really have a place to go to either, maybe Austin?? and with three teams looking for dollars/stadiums I wouldn't be surprised that all the owners have agreed to not pursue or agreed to a move until respective teams make a play in the respective markets (complete speculation on my part). In addition, suspect (more speculation) that NFL really desires two new expansion team overseas, adding some international flare to the billionaires club. Start with London and maybe Mexico City is my bet.
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Look at all of the sport owners in every sport right now, NFL, NBA, MLB, all are asking for money and will continue to until these cities put their foot down. The Chicago Bears owners are just crazy though.
