All I'm saying is that the dark stadium demand only seems to be for the NCAA Final Four.gary kreie wrote: ↑May 04, 2023They had no choice. If SoFi had a magic switch to make the whole stadium roof black, and the stadium dark, I think WWE would have slipped that switch. But it doesn’t.dweebe wrote:Wrestlemania was held is daylight a few weeks ago at SoFi.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑May 03, 2023Neither Allegiant Stadium nor SoFi Stadium get fully dark in the daytime, because both have translucent roofs. And SoFi's covering isn't exactly a roof, more of a canopy. More than half of U.S. Bank Stadium's roof is glass, along with a glass wall taking up nearly the entire western facade of the building.
Our dome was the last completely enclosed NFL stadium built with an entirely opaque fixed roof with zero natural light coming into the stadium. Ford Field's roof is opaque, but they get a fair amount of natural light from skylights and windows.
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^Every event aside from a few sports wants light control. It makes everything theatrical a lot easier, and even sportsball has a lot of theatre in it. You can have more projection cheaper. Your scoreboard looks better. They pyro is more impressive. You get to pick the color and direction of all the lights and everything that brings to the table. When Mizzou started moving events from the Hearnes Center to the the Mizzou Arena the only complaint was the windows. Even when your event is at night windows make things more complicated because you can't really focus your lighting as easily. You don't get a good feel for what it looks like until it's dark, at which point there's no longer enough time to do it. That said, when your primary tenant wants windows your venue has windows, and the NFL seems to like their sunshine.
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fast forward 20 years. We want better light control, build us new stadiums.
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That will be the biggest public subsidy for a stadium in US history, the smallest stadium in the NFL, surrounded by nothing but parking lots and an open air facility in the New York State snow belt.
They are absolutely welcome to that.
They are absolutely welcome to that.
God bless the good people of Buffalo who embrace their natural environment.
God help the foolish people of Buffalo who got snookered by the NFL into forking over truckloads of cash (didn't they learn anything from The Rams debacle?).
God help the foolish people of Buffalo who got snookered by the NFL into forking over truckloads of cash (didn't they learn anything from The Rams debacle?).
^ The State of NY is paying for a big chunk and has the very enthusiastic support of the governor, who hails from the area.
Doesn’t mean I don’t generally agree with the sentiment here…but me thinks the deal in Buffalo isn’t the same shitstorm the STL lease turned out to be here.
Doesn’t mean I don’t generally agree with the sentiment here…but me thinks the deal in Buffalo isn’t the same shitstorm the STL lease turned out to be here.
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Nobody learned anything from the Rams debacle. Public stadium financing seems to just be getting bigger and bigger.
It also helps that the husband of the governor of New York is a vice president for the company that has the concessions contract with the Bills.sc4mayor wrote: ↑May 04, 2023^ The State of NY is paying for a big chunk and has the very enthusiastic support of the governor, who hails from the area.
https://www.news10.com/news/william-j-h ... gentleman/
https://prospect.org/labor/new-york-gov ... n-busting/
Pyro at an open air outdoor stadium is always going to be more impressive than in a closed indoor stadium, for very obvious reasons - namely the fact that you can't do a lot of the pyro in a closed stadium that you can do in an outdoor open air stadium. But yes, pyro in a pitch black closed facility will be better than pyro in a closed facility that allows natural light in.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑May 04, 2023^Every event aside from a few sports wants light control. It makes everything theatrical a lot easier, and even sportsball has a lot of theatre in it. You can have more projection cheaper. Your scoreboard looks better. They pyro is more impressive.
In terms of seating, Highmark Stadium will be tied with FedEx Field for second smallest capacity with 62,000 seats. Soldier Field has only 61,500 seats. The proposed $2.1 billion Tennessee Titans stadium in Nashville is expected to have only 60,000 seats.Suburban Sprawl wrote: ↑May 04, 2023That will be the biggest public subsidy for a stadium in US history, the smallest stadium in the NFL, surrounded by nothing but parking lots and an open air facility in the New York State snow belt.
They are absolutely welcome to that.
Kathy Hochul is the worst. For some reason, both New York City and the state of New York keep electing really milquetoast Democrats to be their mayor and governor (Eric Adams sucks, too).dweebe wrote: ↑May 04, 2023It also helps that the husband of the governor of New York is a vice president for the company that has the concessions contract with the Bills.sc4mayor wrote: ↑May 04, 2023^ The State of NY is paying for a big chunk and has the very enthusiastic support of the governor, who hails from the area.
https://www.news10.com/news/william-j-h ... gentleman/
https://prospect.org/labor/new-york-gov ... n-busting/
The Jacksonville Jaguars want to pretty much gut the Gator Bowl and build a smaller version of SoFi.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/378 ... renovation
The estimates are they want $1 billion + in public money to pay for it and the surrounding development.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/378 ... renovation
The estimates are they want $1 billion + in public money to pay for it and the surrounding development.
The St. Louis Jaguars have a nice ring to it. loldweebe wrote: ↑Jun 10, 2023The Jacksonville Jaguars want to pretty much gut the Gator Bowl and build a smaller version of SoFi.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/378 ... renovation
The estimates are they want $1 billion + in public money to pay for it and the surrounding development.
In all honesty though, I lived in Jacksonville for a few years and they recently renovated the current stadium they play in. I know Florida is a hot state, but that particular part of Florida is very conservative and does not have the the economic clout to justify a stadium and/or development of that caliber. I guess it's good that Jacksonville only has the NFL, but it's basically in the same position as Buffalo. A market about half the size of St. Louis being told to pay up or lose your franchise. In cities like Los Angeles, Dallas, Atlanta, etc. it's understandable when you see these multi-billion dollar stadium developments, but Jacksonville, Buffalo, and Nashville (although they have been booming). At some point it seems like something has to give, I wonder how these smaller markets are going to manage to keep their sports teams going forward.
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Pyro in an outdoor stadium in the middle of the day isn't going to be all that impressive. There's a reason people don't do fireworks displays in daylight. And if you think you can't do much pyro in an enclosed stadium I challenge you to watch a WWE event produced for national TV. You have to take a lot of care. There's lots of nervous firemen standing by. A lot will depend on your local fire marshal. But they do it. In an arena even a little pyro looks like the Fourth of July.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Jun 10, 2023Pyro at an open air outdoor stadium is always going to be more impressive than in a closed indoor stadium, for very obvious reasons - namely the fact that you can't do a lot of the pyro in a closed stadium that you can do in an outdoor open air stadium. But yes, pyro in a pitch black closed facility will be better than pyro in a closed facility that allows natural light in.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑May 04, 2023^Every event aside from a few sports wants light control. It makes everything theatrical a lot easier, and even sportsball has a lot of theatre in it. You can have more projection cheaper. Your scoreboard looks better. They pyro is more impressive.
Remember, Shad Kahn, the owner of the Jaguars, originally had an agreement to buy the Rams and keep them in St. Louis. Kroenke out-maneuvered him and ended up with the team. Kahn's business base in Illinois, so youneverknow.
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They just built a new $120M practice facility. Just avoid going too deep into any Jaguars to St. Louis pipe-dream.
Some Chicago people are also saying eff-it to the Bears and letting them move to the suburbs while trying to attract them to Soldier Field.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Jun 11, 2023They just built a new $120M practice facility. Just avoid going too deep into any Jaguars to St. Louis pipe-dream.
Either that or making a suburban stadium work better with Jaguars and Bears both as tenants.
Goat, I think the new stadiums buy them what another 15ish years and pretty much agree with your assessment it is either public money or teams move for these markets. As Laife put it, pipe dream to think Jaguars are going to move as long taxpayers don't revolts.
The current price tag for keeping/attracting an NFL team ranges from $800 million to $1.2 billion.
St. Louis voted down giving St. Louis SC $40 million or so for Citypark. What makes anyone think we’d approve $1 billion + to attract the Jaguars?
St. Louis voted down giving St. Louis SC $40 million or so for Citypark. What makes anyone think we’d approve $1 billion + to attract the Jaguars?
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NFL isn't coming back to St. Louis for a long time. Maybe when they go to 34 teams in a decade plus there will be a conversation, but at this time I don't feel theres the appetite locally or that the local sports landscape really needs it. The public money for these stadiums is obscene, particularly when you only really have one tenant.
If I had one real complaint about football in this town currently is I'd wish the XFL would get their sh*t together. The local fanbase in STL backed it, but I feel the marketing from the league was really subpar. The proof is in the pudding with 60m dollar losses in its first year, and they are still sticking with the likes of the Vegas team who had appalling attendance in a minor league baseball stadium. I don't trust the longevity of the league at this time even with the people behind it.
If I had one real complaint about football in this town currently is I'd wish the XFL would get their sh*t together. The local fanbase in STL backed it, but I feel the marketing from the league was really subpar. The proof is in the pudding with 60m dollar losses in its first year, and they are still sticking with the likes of the Vegas team who had appalling attendance in a minor league baseball stadium. I don't trust the longevity of the league at this time even with the people behind it.
You mean gut the Gator Bowl again?dweebe wrote: ↑Jun 10, 2023The Jacksonville Jaguars want to pretty much gut the Gator Bowl and build a smaller version of SoFi.
They already largely gutted it in 1994 - the stadium that sits there today looks very little like the stadium that sat there before the Jaguars entered the NFL.
