Gateway South/Chouteau's Landing

dredger · PostDec 16, 2023#6262023-12-16T00:34+00:00

^ I would be more excited about being a large production site and its ideal location for distribution

Think housing crises; lack of affordable housing, homelessness, high interest rates and then think Alternative Dwelling Unints, ADU's, as secondary housing, or the increasing of portable mini housing unit for homelessness and then think modular buildouts. Going small or modular in terms of housing units might have a much bigger market. Yes, some form modular and mobile homes has a presence but maybe a different way to combine RD, design and a flexible production facility near transportation nodes is the niche that they can pull off but that niche will need a revenue generator and to me that is a significant production component.

Tim · PostDec 16, 2023#6272023-12-16T06:50+00:00

Let's get those brownfield credits issued so we can get rolling!

I also agree that residential doesn't seem to make sense, by most measures, but there could be some areas away from the bustle that could possibly work. That being said, I'm all for mixed use, but having an active industrial manufacturing facility and storage yard right next to my apartment doesn't sound too ideal.

dredger · PostDec 16, 2023#6282023-12-16T18:22+00:00

^ Can see your point but kinda like the idea of pursuing the old school vertical (think the old shoe factories along Wash Ave) vs the massive expansive single warehouses you see built out on farm fields. In some of these big old buildings you can see a production facility being much more incorporated into the urban fabric.

Also, I think an economical lesson from the past was that you had dense walkable cities, say St. Louis at a population of 800k in large part due to the fact that housing & transportation were a pretty much most of your household budget so housing, food and then transportation which was almost a luxury & disposable income was unheard of. So a lot of people lived and worked by their jobs. The pendulum is starting shift for various reasons and I can see a development situated in an old industrial area with still plenty of transportation resources include a production component. Something that has been very rare and I would give it a much better chance then the pipe dream of another entertainment district.

gone corporate · PostDec 17, 2023#6292023-12-17T21:54+00:00

Perhaps we could look at their residential ambitions for the Choteau's Landing area more as proof-of-concept for what they intend to create. Their entire purpose seems to be upon new methods for creating residential properties, with a major focus on modularity. What if part of their vision includes modular high-rise construction? If they could build a couple such properties on their development footprint, that could validate their business model and lead to a lot of other projects based on these initial buildings coming online. Also, when those new properties have incredible views of the Arch grounds, I bet they'd sell quickly. They just better sound-proof them really, really well.

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostDec 18, 2023#6302023-12-18T15:18+00:00

Location is just too good to ignore and actively getting better. Ballpark, BPV + Cupples area, Metrolink, and the Arch are already there. Blues Triangle area should hopefully take the next step after work starts on Gateway South. Southward Soulard connection will be huge. Finally, the Brickline Greenway terminus is right next to the project site which will be a big draw IMO.

goat314 · PostDec 18, 2023#6312023-12-18T15:25+00:00

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑
Dec 18, 2023
Location is just too good to ignore and actively getting better. Ballpark, BPV + Cupples area, Metrolink, and the Arch are already there. Blues Triangle area should hopefully take the next step after work starts on Gateway South. Southward Soulard connection will be huge. Finally, the Brickline Greenway terminus is right next to the project site which will be a big draw IMO.

Yeah infill on those lots on the triangle should be relatively easy.

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostDec 18, 2023#6322023-12-18T15:57+00:00

Especially if we ever get around to instituting a land use tax on surface parking

airforceguy1 · PostDec 19, 2023#6332023-12-19T21:50+00:00

St. Louis board approves 'historic' status of Chouteau's Landing

A St. Louis board on Monday threw its support behind an effort to nominate Chouteau's Landing to the National Register of Historic Places.
If the National Park Service ultimately approves the designation, it will allow property owners in that historic district to apply for state and federal historic tax credits that can be used for renovations.

The area is already a target for redevelopment: New York-based Good Developments Group is in the process of acquiring properties across 95 acres in and near Chouteau's Landing, located just south of the Gateway Arch. Plans call for high-rise residential towers, an entertainment district and an advanced manufacturing center producing construction materials for projects across the country. The Chouteau's Landing Historic District is being nominated for its contribution to industry: Nearly 16 acres has two dozen buildings that represent historic patterns of industrial growth in St. Louis.
The St. Louis Preservation Board’s approval means the city’s Cultural Resources Office will prepare a report for Missouri’s State Historic Preservation Office in support of the nomination. If the state approves it, the request then goes before the National Park Service.
The National Register of Historic Places is the country’s official list of buildings and sites the National Park Service says is worthy of preservation and protection. The designation is somewhat symbolic and doesn’t mean a property can’t be demolished or altered, unless local law dictates otherwise. But the register can be a windfall for developers: Tax credits can rise into the tens of millions of dollars for big projects.

https://urbanstl.com/gateway-south-chouteau-s-landing-t11788-s625.html#p382980

PostJan 12, 2024#6342024-01-12T19:17+00:00

St. Louis' Chouteau's Landing inches towards national historic status

The state of Missouri will nominate Chouteau's Landing to the National Register of Historic Places, a designation that will enable owners and developers within the district's footprint access to key tax credits.

The Missouri Advisory Council on Historic Preservation on Friday unanimously approved nominating Chouteau's Landing, along the St. Louis riverfront south of the Arch grounds, to the National Register. The nearly 16-acre site contains more than a dozen buildings built primarily between 1889-1935 and designed by Mauran, Russell & Garden architecture firm. The site was prominent during St. Louis' industrial boom.

New York-based Good Developments Group is in the process of acquiring properties across 95 acres in and near Chouteau’s Landing for its redevelopment that entails high-rise residential towers, an entertainment district and an advanced manufacturing center producing construction materials for projects across the country. The National Register of Historic Places is the country’s official list of buildings and sites the National Park Service deems worthy of preservation and protection.
The designation is somewhat symbolic and doesn’t mean a property can’t be demolished or altered, unless local law dictates otherwise. But the register can be a windfall for developers: Tax credits can rise into the tens of millions of dollars for big projects.

The vacant, former AT&T tower in downtown’s central business district was added to the National Register in 2022. The architecture firm that led that nomination, Kansas City-based Rosin Preservation, also is behind the Chouteau’s Landing nomination.

It's not clear when the National Park Service will review Chouteau's Landing nomination.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/business/st-louis-chouteaus-landing-inches-towards-national-historic-status/article_8335e4e4-b16d-11ee-8e4d-8b6d4a650733.html

EssTeeEll · PostJan 16, 2024#6352024-01-16T16:40+00:00

^ Let's gooooo. Keep the momentum; this has to be tied for first for most important projects.

quincunx · PostJan 20, 2024#6362024-01-20T17:44+00:00

Some renders onthe Arcturis website. Is Gunther Salt considering moving/expanding here? I wager the last one is just phase 1.

Chris Stritzel · PostJan 20, 2024#6372024-01-20T18:46+00:00

That’s all from the Apted plan from 2019. I believe these images were shared towards the beginning of this thread

quincunx · PostMar 09, 2024#6382024-03-09T17:41+00:00

$35M building permit application submitted for 760 S 2nd St for offices in the east building of Crunden-Martin.

PostMar 09, 2024#6392024-03-09T17:43+00:00

Project website
https://www.gatewaysouthstl.com

symphonicpoet · PostMar 10, 2024#6402024-03-10T02:51+00:00

^This is one of the most exciting projects in town, and one I've been darn worried about. I will rest easier when this one starts moving.

dbInSouthCity · PostApr 18, 2024#6412024-04-18T15:26+00:00

I don’t think people realize what this is going to become and the impact that it will have. They are literally going to construct it houses and buildings and ship them all around the US and world down the Mississippi. The impact part is that sales tax on these houses will be paid in STL city.

Depending on how many they crank out this could have a $13-50m a year sales tax revenue impact for the city alone

pattimagee · PostApr 18, 2024#6422024-04-18T15:32+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Apr 18, 2024
I don’t think people realize what this is going to become and the impact that it will have. They are literally going to construction houses and buildings and ship them all around the US and world down the Mississippi. The impact part is that sales tax on these houses will be paid in STL city.

Hope you are right! ...and I think with housing prices continuing to go crazy, I wonder if we aren't basically on the verge of a modern-day Sears Catalog home buying trend. Its just become too expensive to build a home, and something will have to fill this void.

PostApr 18, 2024#6432024-04-18T15:37+00:00

Funny timing as Chris has new renderings:

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostApr 18, 2024#6442024-04-18T15:37+00:00

I love the vision of this place. I think this group knows what they are doing too.

I believe in their goal of making St. Louis a new hub of the construction and innovation industry. The logistics of it make so much sense.

Just saw some new renderings. So excited. Not sure when this one is going to get started though?

Chris Stritzel · PostApr 18, 2024#6452024-04-18T15:44+00:00

I figured I’d try to make y'all's day better.

Crunden Martin East…

Crunden Martin West…

2nd Street…

Prototyping Yard…

Makers Alley (South of Chouteau)

pattimagee · PostApr 18, 2024#6462024-04-18T15:45+00:00

^ we had the first permit pulled in March so assuming it might get issued soon and then start this year? Granted this is a phased project.

760 S 2ND STREET STL PROPERTY OWNER

Building

03/08/2024

OFFICE

$35,039,861.00

INT/EXT ALTS PER PLANS

legendrey · PostApr 18, 2024#6472024-04-18T16:08+00:00

I am unreasonably excited for this project

pattimagee · PostApr 18, 2024#6482024-04-18T16:23+00:00

^so much opportunity (parking lots) south of downtown that could feed off of this...

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostApr 18, 2024#6492024-04-18T16:26+00:00

The City/GRG should be getting the process started on better connecting this area to the Arch grounds. At the bare minimum, 2nd Street needs to be completely rebuilt from Choutaeu to Cerre. Choutaeu needs serious work done too, it's a bit narrow so I would make it one way with a protected bike lane. Lombard can be one way the other direction.

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostApr 18, 2024#6502024-04-18T18:02+00:00

^I would love to see a Broadway streetcar from Cherokee/Lemp to Washington Avenue (with future expansion phases west to Jefferson, then to Grand, then to Kingshighway) be the next transit plan for the city after Jefferson alignment once this project gets going.

Gateway South/Chouteau's Landing

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