Those dates coincide with the UEFA Euro 2024 tournament being played in Germany. First game is on June 14, final is on July 14.
I’m going to assume a big chunk of tickets are already sold if they are charging thatdbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 02, 2024Prices on the STL to Frankfurt are insane this summer. June 21-July 7 $2,100. We paid like $1,100 Sept 2022.
Wonder what it will do to loads
February numbers for STL
Nice jump over last February.
Passed the 15 mil passenger mark over the last 12 months!
Hit 1 million passengers each of the last 12 months.
Up 9.6% vs Feb 2023
Up 7.5% YTD vs 2023
Down 2.1% vs FEB 2019
Down 4.9% YTD vs 2019
Passengers last 12 months: 15,029,593
Nice jump over last February.
Passed the 15 mil passenger mark over the last 12 months!
Hit 1 million passengers each of the last 12 months.
Up 9.6% vs Feb 2023
Up 7.5% YTD vs 2023
Down 2.1% vs FEB 2019
Down 4.9% YTD vs 2019
Passengers last 12 months: 15,029,593
I don’t get it. I don’t understand how someone in a leadership role isn’t asking questions about the quality of graphic design and social media at FlyStL. It’s embarrassing and a quick check of peer airports shows that it fails to gather the same level of engagement.
Here is today’s announcement for new service. The font is hard to read. There are at least 7 independent images of varying quality. To top it off they used the flag from New Haven, INDIANA.
So many talented graphic designers and social media managers in the region. A huge focus of Greater StL… yet this is what our gateway to the world shows?!?
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Here is today’s announcement for new service. The font is hard to read. There are at least 7 independent images of varying quality. To top it off they used the flag from New Haven, INDIANA.
So many talented graphic designers and social media managers in the region. A huge focus of Greater StL… yet this is what our gateway to the world shows?!?
Before anyone says “but does it really matter”
YES. We’re deep into the 21st Century where almost all commerce is driven either directly or indirectly by mass communication. This isn’t 2006 or even 2014…
Social media is critical.
YES. We’re deep into the 21st Century where almost all commerce is driven either directly or indirectly by mass communication. This isn’t 2006 or even 2014…
Social media is critical.
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^Definitely matters and yes, that’s embarrassing.
I remember when we had art installations in the T2 baggage area, and now we have temp ad banners for personal injury lawyers. Also not great.
I remember when we had art installations in the T2 baggage area, and now we have temp ad banners for personal injury lawyers. Also not great.
They also put out the exact same tweet with a different picture on the day of the actual announcement. 3/20.addxb2 wrote: ↑Apr 04, 2024I don’t get it. I don’t understand how someone in a leadership role isn’t asking questions about the quality of graphic design and social media at FlyStL. It’s embarrassing and a quick check of peer airports shows that it fails to gather the same level of engagement.
Here is today’s announcement for new service. The font is hard to read. There are at least 7 independent images of varying quality. To top it off they used the flag from New Haven, INDIANA.
So many talented graphic designers and social media managers in the region. A huge focus of Greater StL… yet this is what our gateway to the world shows?!?
So it is odd they tweet this with “announced today”
Frontier is adding nonstop flights to Dallas.
Start June 14
3x a week
Monday, Wednesday, Friday
3 new route for them this year. Up to 9 total
Start June 14
3x a week
Monday, Wednesday, Friday
3 new route for them this year. Up to 9 total
2023 was 80.73% the actual number will be a bit lower than 89% but should be a nice bump unless I did the math wrong.
January numbers from DOT (which I count as more accurate numbers)
Southwest Cancun 94.3%
Frontier Cancun 75.5%
Lufthansa Frankfurt 71%
Frontier Punta Cana 67.23%
AA Cancun 58.5%
Lufthansa was 1% lower than 2023 January so holding steady. 70s for January compare pretty well vs other cities.
Nashville British to London 74%
PIT British to London 68.5%
Cleveland Aer Lingus to Dublin 70%
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What's the reason Inbound is so much higher than Outbound? Does inbound include any round trips back outbound in that number, so that more travelers originate and return to Germany than the same in STL?
Could be people took a United/air Canada out and Lufthansa back. Could be there were more outbound in February and they returned in March. Also could be with Easter in March people were coming back home to the US for whatever reason and hadn’t made the trip back yet.Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2024What's the reason Inbound is so much higher than Outbound? Does inbound include any round trips back outbound in that number, so that more travelers originate and return to Germany than the same in STL?
Could also be that 96% number is off. It was 78% last year. Customs numbers count everyone coming in from FRA. So if there were let’s say 5 charters from Frankfurt and they had 50 people total then that number gets thrown in with the Lufthansa number and will skew the load higher since I can’t tell that at this point. I’m doing seats available manually and just taking 255 x #of Lufthansa flights.
Also as I am typing this I remember a flight from FRA-Dallas got diverted here last month. I don’t think they would have cleared customs here but it’s possible that their numbers got thrown in with ours and that could skew it.
So customs numbers are more of a ballpark figure until the DOT numbers come out. They post passengers and seats for each month. It’s just 3 months behind
I'd also say that it has to do with the fact that there are not directs flights each way 7 days a week. A lot of people have the days they need to fly. If they need to leave on a day with no direct flight, they connect through chicago or whatever. But coming back, the flight might work.jshank83 wrote: ↑Apr 13, 2024Could be people took a United/air Canada out and Lufthansa back. Could be there were more outbound in February and they returned in March. Also could be with Easter in March people were coming back home to the US for whatever reason and hadn’t made the trip back yet.Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2024What's the reason Inbound is so much higher than Outbound? Does inbound include any round trips back outbound in that number, so that more travelers originate and return to Germany than the same in STL?
Could also be that 96% number is off. It was 78% last year. Customs numbers count everyone coming in from FRA. So if there were let’s say 5 charters from Frankfurt and they had 50 people total then that number gets thrown in with the Lufthansa number and will skew the load higher since I can’t tell that at this point. I’m doing seats available manually and just taking 255 x #of Lufthansa flights.
Also as I am typing this I remember a flight from FRA-Dallas got diverted here last month. I don’t think they would have cleared customs here but it’s possible that their numbers got thrown in with ours and that could skew it.
So customs numbers are more of a ballpark figure until the DOT numbers come out. They post passengers and seats for each month. It’s just 3 months behind
Not great news for our Aer Lingus prospects. The A321XLRs earmarked for them may go elsewhere
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0 ... alks-fail/
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0 ... alks-fail/
United finally bringing back nonstops to San Francisco. Double daily starting August 16
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Won't this make traveling east over the Pacific Ocean much more streamlined?
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I don't really think so. Itineraries through ORD, DTW, and even LAX and DFW have all worked just fine for me, so it's not like this really changes much. I've flown the route, and it was fine, but not really a significant time savings when you add it all together. And the airport struck me as pretty bog-standard. On the other hand, if it were anyone other than United I might feel differently. SFO does have the one direct flight from the US to Vietnam, but VN partners with Delta, so this isn't even really all that helpful. All the other major Asian destinations I 've been through have flights from other airports as well. Not sure about points south or west of Ho Chi Minh, though. It might help for a few. But if you go much west of Vietnam you're better off going Transatlantic anyway.STLinCHI wrote: ↑Apr 20, 2024Won't this make traveling east over the Pacific Ocean much more streamlined?
Direct flights from STL to SFO on UA are a big deal. SFO is UA's Transpacific hub and they have an extensive Asia Pacific network. Here are two examples why this matters:
Among US airlines, UA has the only direct flight from the mainland to Manila (SFO-MNL). If at all possible, you want to avoid flying Philippines Airlines, which is your only other direct flight option from the mainland to Manila.
UA also has two daily direct flights from Singapore to SFO. The critical flight is UA28 which departs at 9 pm in the evening. The importance of this flight is that you can spend the night in Bali, Jakarta, KL, Penang, etc, etc, etc, and catch a connecting flight to Changi Airport and not have to spend the night in Singapore. Singapore has some of the highest hotel rates in the world, so you can save a lot of money that way, plus eliminate the irritation of having to get up early in the morning to catch your US bound flight. Even Singapore Airlines (SQ) doesn't have an evening direct flight SIN-SFO, although SQ does have an evening SIN-LAX flight.
As jshank wrote, you do not want to arrive in SFO after a long transpacific flight only to have to get to St Louis via Denver or Houston on UA.
Among US airlines, UA has the only direct flight from the mainland to Manila (SFO-MNL). If at all possible, you want to avoid flying Philippines Airlines, which is your only other direct flight option from the mainland to Manila.
UA also has two daily direct flights from Singapore to SFO. The critical flight is UA28 which departs at 9 pm in the evening. The importance of this flight is that you can spend the night in Bali, Jakarta, KL, Penang, etc, etc, etc, and catch a connecting flight to Changi Airport and not have to spend the night in Singapore. Singapore has some of the highest hotel rates in the world, so you can save a lot of money that way, plus eliminate the irritation of having to get up early in the morning to catch your US bound flight. Even Singapore Airlines (SQ) doesn't have an evening direct flight SIN-SFO, although SQ does have an evening SIN-LAX flight.
As jshank wrote, you do not want to arrive in SFO after a long transpacific flight only to have to get to St Louis via Denver or Houston on UA.
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^Here's the problem with that. You have to fly UA. No thank you. I would very much prefer to fly any Asian, or indeed any American carrier over them. Sure, SFO is UA's primary Pacific gateway. No disputing that. But . . . it's not the only such gateway in the country. I fly trans-Pacific nearly every year. I've taken the flight in question. I don't intend to ever do it again. I don't think it's really limiting my options all that much. Are there a few unique offerings at SFO? Sure. I already mentioned Vietnam Air's flight from Ho Chi Minh, which is one that should be attractive to me for reasons. Is it a good add? Sure. Does it make all that much difference? No, not really. Not unless you have a very specific destination in mind. (Even with SFO I cannot make a one stop to Vietnam on a single itinerary, for instance, since Vietnam interlines with Delta, not UA.) There are equally good or better options to get you to Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, Seoul, Hong Kong, all your big Asian hubs, and . And you can get from them to almost anywhere else in Asia easily and conveniently. Manilla and Ho Chi Minh are, sadly, not quite at that tippity top level yet, so there aren't many direct flights from the US. (Though Vietnam is growing like gangbusters and getting there quickly, and I don't doubt the Philippines are as well.)
So sure, it adds a couple of convenient links. Not denying that. But I don't really see it's not a trans-pacific game changer. We had it before. I took it. When we lost it my own trans-Pacific itineraries didn't really change all that much. The prices stayed about the same. The timings didn't change significantly. I won't say that nothing changed, but I will say I don't believe it had a big effect. Even the two you listed are easily reachable on a one stop via LAX. Call me crazy, but I've flown through both. I don't see the appeal to SFO. It feels pretty much the same as LAX. (Or Atlanta, O'Hare, DTW, DFW, you pick.) And unless Philippine air is vastly worse than China Eastern, say, I'd rather fly them than UA. Maybe you prefer UA and SFO. That's fine. I respect that. But it doesn't really create many truly unique options or vastly better itineraries. That VN flight honestly is a better itinerary. I wish to god it went anywhere other than SFO as I'd like to take it. I really would. But to get to SFO I have to fly either UA or Southwest, neither one of which interlines with VN.
That said, take the flight. I'm glad it's back. I hope it will keep prices down on WN. I hope it helps somebody. It ought to make your life easier if you're a UA customer. But STLinCHI asked if it makes flights over the Pacific more streamlined. And I really don't think it does terribly much, no. I won't say there isn't an itinerary it helps. But I don't think it's any of the biggest. And the people it's going to help most are basically people that either fly UA or people that prefer to avoid LAX, and I think that's a pretty small minority around here. (Particularly the first part.) And I don't even actually like LAX. It's a less pleasant than average airport. But . . . meh. It's an airport. Any port in a storm. And any airport that has a good connection will be fine by me. Heck, it's not even like we couldn't get there before. We could. And while I'd prefer a Delta flight to SFO, UA is probably somewhat more useful to anyone but me. (But Delta would absolutely have gotten me on that route.)
So sure, it adds a couple of convenient links. Not denying that. But I don't really see it's not a trans-pacific game changer. We had it before. I took it. When we lost it my own trans-Pacific itineraries didn't really change all that much. The prices stayed about the same. The timings didn't change significantly. I won't say that nothing changed, but I will say I don't believe it had a big effect. Even the two you listed are easily reachable on a one stop via LAX. Call me crazy, but I've flown through both. I don't see the appeal to SFO. It feels pretty much the same as LAX. (Or Atlanta, O'Hare, DTW, DFW, you pick.) And unless Philippine air is vastly worse than China Eastern, say, I'd rather fly them than UA. Maybe you prefer UA and SFO. That's fine. I respect that. But it doesn't really create many truly unique options or vastly better itineraries. That VN flight honestly is a better itinerary. I wish to god it went anywhere other than SFO as I'd like to take it. I really would. But to get to SFO I have to fly either UA or Southwest, neither one of which interlines with VN.
That said, take the flight. I'm glad it's back. I hope it will keep prices down on WN. I hope it helps somebody. It ought to make your life easier if you're a UA customer. But STLinCHI asked if it makes flights over the Pacific more streamlined. And I really don't think it does terribly much, no. I won't say there isn't an itinerary it helps. But I don't think it's any of the biggest. And the people it's going to help most are basically people that either fly UA or people that prefer to avoid LAX, and I think that's a pretty small minority around here. (Particularly the first part.) And I don't even actually like LAX. It's a less pleasant than average airport. But . . . meh. It's an airport. Any port in a storm. And any airport that has a good connection will be fine by me. Heck, it's not even like we couldn't get there before. We could. And while I'd prefer a Delta flight to SFO, UA is probably somewhat more useful to anyone but me. (But Delta would absolutely have gotten me on that route.)