The Spaghetti Factory is some kind of a freak. When I was a kid (decades ago, mind you) there was always a long wait. And still today, after all the changes on the Landing, the Factory seems to always be mobbed. Crazy.
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We didn’t want to wait Saturday so we called a head Sunday and they said if we came around 5 they can get us in but nothing after 6:30….
After opening of $3.7M downtown park, Great Rivers Greenway eyes more development along Mississippi River
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... g-stl.html
The site of the old parking garage will be graded and seeded with natural plants and be able to flood. It will be open to the public beginning sometime this summer.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... g-stl.html
The site of the old parking garage will be graded and seeded with natural plants and be able to flood. It will be open to the public beginning sometime this summer.
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Walked past the old Hannegan's space yesterday. For lease sign down and a crew was wrapping up the process of completely gutting the space. Chatted with a worker and he said he's pretty sure that they are converting it to office space.
Disappointing to lose such a marquee restaurant space on 2nd but can't say I blame them.
Disappointing to lose such a marquee restaurant space on 2nd but can't say I blame them.
$3.25M building permit application submitted for offices at 801-805 N 2nd, the Trading Lofts.
Took a walk through the Landing on Saturday. Was pleasant but I wish it had some other people out walking around, or dining on such a nice day. Only the Spaghetti Factory was open. The area is looking better though, so I have a lot of faith in the redevelopment projects down there.
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My favoritie view in the neighborhood.
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It'll be sad, but amazing, for these buildings to be covered up at some point in the future.
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My favoritie view in the neighborhood.
It'll be sad, but amazing, for these buildings to be covered up at some point in the future.
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Wow! The Landing looks great. I think it the City can connect a redeveloped North Riverfront to the Landing, that could lead to new life. The North Riverfront needs some attractions to get people down there. There is no reason the Landing shouldn't be a booming, walkable neighborhood right next to a national park that gets 1-2M visitors/year. It would be cool to have casual dining, music and stores to service the Arch crowds. This has to be pushed by the City. The area in general gets enough TLC/attention. That needs to change!
My wishfull thought is Drury sells their hotel/convert to residential that is right next to Convention Space and develop the hotel/residential tower on their landing property that was rendered once upon a time. Of course, don't even know if Drury family still owns the landing property and seems like the last couple of times they entertain residential development they backed out. Anyone with some good insight where the family is in terms of a vision for their future or even any insight on future city plans. Got over Covid only to have to deal with higher interest rates to pencil out projects. In same breadth, it is also what happens when owners have means to sit on property over a long durations.
Dredger...
I have heard from the Drury uppers... so yes... this is legit:
Drury plans to sell their convention plaza hotel (1 of 4 properties they have downtown). That hotel is in the old Uniom Market Building. They plan to invest in a new property in the convention plaza area.
I also know that the Pear Tree by Drury highrise on Market near Union Startion and their Drury at Union Station is going to be either reworked with an addition (or a completely new tower will be built there. They are wanting to invest being next door to the vibrant new MLS Stadium, Union Station, new campus of Well Fargo and the new downtown west district. They want to build a tower facing east / west for skyline views since the current tower faces north and south.
I have heard from the Drury uppers... so yes... this is legit:
Drury plans to sell their convention plaza hotel (1 of 4 properties they have downtown). That hotel is in the old Uniom Market Building. They plan to invest in a new property in the convention plaza area.
I also know that the Pear Tree by Drury highrise on Market near Union Startion and their Drury at Union Station is going to be either reworked with an addition (or a completely new tower will be built there. They are wanting to invest being next door to the vibrant new MLS Stadium, Union Station, new campus of Well Fargo and the new downtown west district. They want to build a tower facing east / west for skyline views since the current tower faces north and south.
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All of the years old For Lease signs have just disappeared from the windows of the three restaurant/bar spaces on the south side of 1st between Morgan and Lucas.
Anybody in the CRE space hear anything about these spots?
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Anybody in the CRE space hear anything about these spots?
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$4.1M building permit application submitted to rehab 704 N 2nd into retail and multi-fam.
^ Jeez. How many apartment units are down there now/coming on soon? It seems weird that all of these places have closed with seemingly more people living there, but I know it's not that simple. It's such a cool area, I hope big things are coming to the vacant retail spaces...still need to build those lots up at some point down the line, too.
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A downtown Marina near the landing makes so much sense.
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Don't we expect an increase in COV ships and barges with the new port in Herculaneum coming together?
I'm not sure I'd be all that comfortable pleasure boating in a busy shipping lane.
Pretty sure the proposal near 270 (which I haven't heard anything about in a while) argues that their proposal features the one safe place to pleasure boat on the Mississippi, as vessels largely bypass the Chain of Rocks by going to the east of Chouteau Island.
I'd love to be wrong and have something like that downtown, though.
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I'm not sure I'd be all that comfortable pleasure boating in a busy shipping lane.
Pretty sure the proposal near 270 (which I haven't heard anything about in a while) argues that their proposal features the one safe place to pleasure boat on the Mississippi, as vessels largely bypass the Chain of Rocks by going to the east of Chouteau Island.
I'd love to be wrong and have something like that downtown, though.
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Are there a lot? Every time I've been in the last few years it has been pretty deserted. It is a cool area but needs thousands of people to feel vibrant.EssTeeEll wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023^ Jeez. How many apartment units are down there now/coming on soon? It seems weird that all of these places have closed with seemingly more people living there, but I know it's not that simple. It's such a cool area, I hope big things are coming to the vacant retail spaces...still need to build those lots up at some point down the line, too.
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The wharf is already used as a boat launch by thousands of people each year.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023Don't we expect an increase in COV ships and barges with the new port in Herculaneum coming together?
I'm not sure I'd be all that comfortable pleasure boating in a busy shipping lane.
Pretty sure the proposal near 270 (which I haven't heard anything about in a while) argues that their proposal features the one safe place to pleasure boat on the Mississippi, as vessels largely bypass the Chain of Rocks by going to the east of Chouteau Island.
I'd love to be wrong and have something like that downtown, though.
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The 270 proposal is arguably far more dangerous precisely because of its proximity to the chain of rocks.
The river is plenty busy with barge traffic around Grafton and things seem to be working smoothly enough with the recreational boaters up there.
I’m my opinion, the safety arguments against a DT marina are pretty lame.
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There is apparently a wine bar and a concept called Cobblestone STL by the folks behind Cafe Piazza. That's all I've heard.
Lots of construction going on though, the new residents will definitely help
Lots of construction going on though, the new residents will definitely help
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I think part of the argument is that the channel is so much narrower downtown and the bend in the river in combination with all the bridges makes navigation very difficult at the best of times. It's got to be possible to have a safe anchorage near downtown, since there are already plenty of commercial docks. The problem is where to put it and how. Maybe a groin or wing dam of some kind could be used to protect a small marina close to downtown, but I'm not sure how many people would want to boat there anyway, when the Alton pool is nearby, filled with marinas, and much more picturesque.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023The wharf is already used as a boat launch by thousands of people each year.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023Don't we expect an increase in COV ships and barges with the new port in Herculaneum coming together?
I'm not sure I'd be all that comfortable pleasure boating in a busy shipping lane.
Pretty sure the proposal near 270 (which I haven't heard anything about in a while) argues that their proposal features the one safe place to pleasure boat on the Mississippi, as vessels largely bypass the Chain of Rocks by going to the east of Chouteau Island.
I'd love to be wrong and have something like that downtown, though.
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The 270 proposal is arguably far more dangerous precisely because of its proximity to the chain of rocks.
The river is plenty busy with barge traffic around Grafton and things seem to be working smoothly enough with the recreational boaters up there.
I’m my opinion, the safety arguments against a DT marina are pretty lame.
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Idk anything about dams or river navigation, so I won’t pontificate. But Alton is not “nearby”. There is plenty of demand for another Marina and the landing makes a lot of sense.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023I think part of the argument is that the channel is so much narrower downtown and the bend in the river in combination with all the bridges makes navigation very difficult at the best of times. It's got to be possible to have a safe anchorage near downtown, since there are already plenty of commercial docks. The problem is where to put it and how. Maybe a groin or wing dam of some kind could be used to protect a small marina close to downtown, but I'm not sure how many people would want to boat there anyway, when the Alton pool is nearby, filled with marinas, and much more picturesque.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023The wharf is already used as a boat launch by thousands of people each year.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023Don't we expect an increase in COV ships and barges with the new port in Herculaneum coming together?
I'm not sure I'd be all that comfortable pleasure boating in a busy shipping lane.
Pretty sure the proposal near 270 (which I haven't heard anything about in a while) argues that their proposal features the one safe place to pleasure boat on the Mississippi, as vessels largely bypass the Chain of Rocks by going to the east of Chouteau Island.
I'd love to be wrong and have something like that downtown, though.
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The 270 proposal is arguably far more dangerous precisely because of its proximity to the chain of rocks.
The river is plenty busy with barge traffic around Grafton and things seem to be working smoothly enough with the recreational boaters up there.
I’m my opinion, the safety arguments against a DT marina are pretty lame.
Boaters are partiers. They would go boozing and eating in Laclede’s landing and gambling at the horseshoe. It’s a perfect alignment of uses.
And then drunkenly challenge a couple of 500' barge lashups for the right-of-way.
I think the former Admiral site would be the best site downtown, could use the existing moorings in the river either to build docks around or to protect the marina from river traffic.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023I think part of the argument is that the channel is so much narrower downtown and the bend in the river in combination with all the bridges makes navigation very difficult at the best of times. It's got to be possible to have a safe anchorage near downtown, since there are already plenty of commercial docks. The problem is where to put it and how. Maybe a groin or wing dam of some kind could be used to protect a small marina close to downtown, but I'm not sure how many people would want to boat there anyway, when the Alton pool is nearby, filled with marinas, and much more picturesque.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023The wharf is already used as a boat launch by thousands of people each year.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Jul 24, 2023Don't we expect an increase in COV ships and barges with the new port in Herculaneum coming together?
I'm not sure I'd be all that comfortable pleasure boating in a busy shipping lane.
Pretty sure the proposal near 270 (which I haven't heard anything about in a while) argues that their proposal features the one safe place to pleasure boat on the Mississippi, as vessels largely bypass the Chain of Rocks by going to the east of Chouteau Island.
I'd love to be wrong and have something like that downtown, though.
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The 270 proposal is arguably far more dangerous precisely because of its proximity to the chain of rocks.
The river is plenty busy with barge traffic around Grafton and things seem to be working smoothly enough with the recreational boaters up there.
I’m my opinion, the safety arguments against a DT marina are pretty lame.
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Just happened to notice the site of the recently demolished parking garage was planted with native (?) grasses and purposely left unmowed. You can hear the grasshoppers. It's fantastic, and there are so many more places like this where we can allow animals to benefit rather than just wasting time and energy mowing vacant lawns.
This picture doesn't really do it justice. It's a very serene setting now and infinitely better than it would be if it were grass.
This picture doesn't really do it justice. It's a very serene setting now and infinitely better than it would be if it were grass.
All the highways should have native plantings. I never understood why the don't.eee123 wrote: ↑Sep 29, 2023Just happened to notice the site of the recently demolished parking garage was planted with native (?) grasses and purposely left unmowed. You can hear the grasshoppers. It's fantastic, and there are so many more places like this where we can allow animals to benefit rather than just wasting time and energy mowing vacant lawns.
This picture doesn't really do it justice. It's a very serene setting now and infinitely better than it would be if it were grass.