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A lot of the August and year total down turn is due to the police getting a better handle on theft of cars and theft from cars…at one point this year we were on pace to pass last years record setting year in those 2 categories and now it appears we are under that pace.

For example, last august cars stolen 1071 +419 theft from cars and this august 432 +324. Total in august 2022- 1490 and in 2023- 756

Not sure the downward trend is due to the police getting a handle on auto theft in the city.  I suspect the Kia Boys trend has more to do with a whole lot (thousands) of Kia and Hyundai vehicles no longer on the streets in the city.  These two vehicle makes have recently been targeted by thieves in Ballwin, Manchester, Maryland Heights and Ellisville.  Would be telling to see the numbers in suburban cities YOY.  I'd suspect an increase is occurring in the burbs at the same time the city is seeing a decrease.   

Unfortunately, I saw a young man laying face down dead on Page last night. It was very sad. The EMT and SLMPD were on the seen.

SB in BH wrote: ↑

Sep 05, 2023

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Sep 02, 2023

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Sep 02, 2023

^I think both things could be true. There's a couple of pretty depressing stretches of "Southerer Grand." Seeing the Feasting Fox the way it's become is . . . distressing. (All seemed to start going downhill when Giuseppe's closed.)
 
But that's anecdotal. Anecdotal evidence can lead us astray pretty quickly. My property taxes (also anecdotal) tell a very different story. (I'm a few blocks southeast of Grand and Bates in an area that's still pretty blue-collar.)

I know it can look grim at times, but I'm hoping the better data is the light at the end of the tunnel.

Bates is the divider imo.

Agree. I live in Holly Hills. Bates is the northern boundary of our neighborhood and once you cross it the difference is obvious. East of 55 a similar change occurs. This isn't to knock all of Dutchtown or Carondelet or even Patch, but all three are definitely "block-by-block" and the number of "good" blocks has definitely declined in the 9ish years I've been in the area. There certainly is some redevelopment happening in all of those places, but its hard to say whether its occurring at a faster rate than the blight.

JJG is falsely assuming I was talking about their post. I was replying to kipfilet, who was in turn responding to pattimagee. Pattimagee was, I believe, echoing DB and discussing the falling crime statistics and using Tower Grove South as an example of improving wages and property values with kipfilet, when the latter replied that he was talking about the whole of the south side. He admitted that there are isolated areas that are improving, but used Dutchtown as an example of wider decay. So I'm just trying to say that the anecdotal evidence is, at best, mixed, and I hope that the statistics give a better picture. To that end, I pointed out contradictory anecdotes I drive past every day. And no matter where the divide is, if you're coming to my house odds are you drove past some pretty sad stuff to get here. But my own property values, which should logically be affected by the closely adjacent decay, have gone nowhere but up since I moved in. (Even though there's been precious little development anywhere nearby, and there's been quite a lot of obvious decay.) Yeah, Bates is a divide, but it's not really relevant. Divide or no, the anecdotes tell different stories. So . . . what say the statistics? If DB and PM are to be believed (and I trust them) then things are ticking up. I certainly hope the statistics tell a better story than what I see when I go out.

I knew you weren’t responding to me. I just wanted to add that Bates is the dividing line.

Police chiefs address safety concerns for west St. Louis County residents
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/polic ... residents/

They report crime is down in general, but they are seeing an increase in drug crime. They are reporting shortages of police personnel.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Sep 07, 2023

I knew you weren’t responding to me. I just wanted to add that Bates is the dividing line.

If you really want to say obvious and irrelevant things knock yourself out.

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Sep 08, 2023

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Sep 07, 2023

I knew you weren’t responding to me. I just wanted to add that Bates is the dividing line.

If you really want to say obvious and irrelevant things knock yourself out.

It’s not obvious A lot of people on here and who read this don’t go to this part of the city.

It may have been irrelevant.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

According to internal department memos obtained by the Post-Dispatch, officers on 18 separate shifts from June through August were told to limit interactions with the public that did not begin with a call to 911 because the department did not have enough dispatchers to run the channels for the city’s six districts and the special units channel.

So while, yes, they did hire new dispatchers in July, 911 staffing still is leading to issues. It's trending in the right direction, but still causing issues.

Laife Fulk wrote: ↑

Sep 21, 2023

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

According to internal department memos obtained by the Post-Dispatch, officers on 18 separate shifts from June through August were told to limit interactions with the public that did not begin with a call to 911 because the department did not have enough dispatchers to run the channels for the city’s six districts and the special units channel.

So while, yes, they did hire new dispatchers in July, 911 staffing still is leading to issues. It's trending in the right direction, but still causing issues.

This story is more about the police districts internal dispatchers, seems like those were sacrificed in order to staff the 911

I do think the change has been noticeable on the ground, the atmosphere of lawlessness that permeated the City for the past couple years seems to be dissipating.

^Same here. The amount of gunfire this summer seemed much lower than in previous years.

Should note that SLMPD has arrested about 1000 more people for weapons law violation this year through September vs 2022 and that’s in the society category that’s up, I think that’s a pretty good indicator why shootings and gun fire is down.

So enforcement does work!

City crime data by SLMPD Patrol and by districts.
one thing that stands out is that only district were "society" crimes didn't go up, violent crime did. that category is growing citywide due to the weapons law violation increasing. My theory is still that SLMPD is arresting more people for illegals guns and that’s driving down shootings

Gabe Gore is making a difference. The problem was Gardner all along. Gore deserves national attention.

Absolutely good pick Gov Parsons Now if we only had more persons such as Gore to the fill the ranks of public service

10 year look at crime in the city
for the final 3 months of 2022 i adjusted to match the current 9 month decrease for 2023 over 2022 to come up with a projected final number.  just a guess