I'm counting the entire south-side as a whole... south of the central corridor. Pretty sure we have data that has been showing a shift of young white educated moving into the city...JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Sep 01, 2023Displacing poor people on the south side? Have you been to Dutchtown, Mr Pleasant, Marine Villa, Carondelet or Patch recently?
Those neighborhoods are all decidedly poorer than they were twenty years ago.
Bates is the divider imo.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Sep 02, 2023^I think both things could be true. There's a couple of pretty depressing stretches of "Southerer Grand." Seeing the Feasting Fox the way it's become is . . . distressing. (All seemed to start going downhill when Giuseppe's closed.)
But that's anecdotal. Anecdotal evidence can lead us astray pretty quickly. My property taxes (also anecdotal) tell a very different story. (I'm a few blocks southeast of Grand and Bates in an area that's still pretty blue-collar.)
I know it can look grim at times, but I'm hoping the better data is the light at the end of the tunnel.
Maybe as a Metro? City department reporting 132 as of this morning.Baltimore Jack wrote:As of 8-28 Kansas City is at 186 homicides for the year so far.
Oops. Yes I stand corrected.addxb2 wrote: ↑Sep 02, 2023Maybe as a Metro? City department reporting 132 as of this morning.Baltimore Jack wrote:As of 8-28 Kansas City is at 186 homicides for the year so far.
https://www.kcpd.org/media/4898/2023-09 ... alysis.pdf
In the last 10 years, the poor were displaced to the above neighborhoods from other improving neighborhoods on the Southside that were / are experiencing substantial renovation. Now, it would seem, people in those neighborhoods are being displaced to the more affordable parts of South County. There is alot more renovation in Dutchtown, Mt. Pleasant, etc. than you might realize.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Sep 01, 2023Displacing poor people on the south side? Have you been to Dutchtown, Mr Pleasant, Marine Villa, Carondelet or Patch recently?
Those neighborhoods are all decidedly poorer than they were twenty years ago.
Agreed. They are not comparable. Southside neighborhoods are almost still completely intact.Ebsy wrote: ↑Sep 03, 2023I don't think there is a single block in South City that is comparable to the areas of North City that have lost 60% of the buildings with half those left standing remaining are vacant. Even in the more deprived areas you have much better access to grocery stores and other amenities.
Agree. I live in Holly Hills. Bates is the northern boundary of our neighborhood and once you cross it the difference is obvious. East of 55 a similar change occurs. This isn't to knock all of Dutchtown or Carondelet or even Patch, but all three are definitely "block-by-block" and the number of "good" blocks has definitely declined in the 9ish years I've been in the area. There certainly is some redevelopment happening in all of those places, but its hard to say whether its occurring at a faster rate than the blight.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Sep 02, 2023Bates is the divider imo.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Sep 02, 2023^I think both things could be true. There's a couple of pretty depressing stretches of "Southerer Grand." Seeing the Feasting Fox the way it's become is . . . distressing. (All seemed to start going downhill when Giuseppe's closed.)
But that's anecdotal. Anecdotal evidence can lead us astray pretty quickly. My property taxes (also anecdotal) tell a very different story. (I'm a few blocks southeast of Grand and Bates in an area that's still pretty blue-collar.)
I know it can look grim at times, but I'm hoping the better data is the light at the end of the tunnel.
DB, did you mean "SLMPD recorded 800 MORE weapons law violations than in 2022"? More?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 05, 2023theory on why violent & total crime is down: look at the citywide category thats up: society, that is victimless crimes including weapons violations. Through AUG,SLMPD recorded 800 weapons law violations than in 2022, which could prevent that person from committing a crime later
Yes 1900 to 2700soulardx wrote: ↑Sep 05, 2023DB, did you mean "SLMPD recorded 800 MORE weapons law violations than in 2022"? More?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 05, 2023theory on why violent & total crime is down: look at the citywide category thats up: society, that is victimless crimes including weapons violations. Through AUG,SLMPD recorded 800 weapons law violations than in 2022, which could prevent that person from committing a crime later
Suspect so.
I'd agree with that premise as a working theory then. I've read/heard that many crimes are committed by small number of people so getting those people off-the-streets can indeed lower crime.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 05, 2023Yes 1900 to 2700soulardx wrote: ↑Sep 05, 2023DB, did you mean "SLMPD recorded 800 MORE weapons law violations than in 2022"? More?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 05, 2023theory on why violent & total crime is down: look at the citywide category thats up: society, that is victimless crimes including weapons violations. Through AUG,SLMPD recorded 800 weapons law violations than in 2022, which could prevent that person from committing a crime later
Suspect so.
