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To be fair, they still have to analyze the data. Yeah, some preliminary thoughts or findings would be nice, but it could be a bit too early to share.

"Now that all the field observations in the park are complete, she's spending the next few months helping to analyze the data and create reports that will include evidence-based recommendations to approve access to the park in both the greater bi-state area and in the city ZIP codes near the park."

"After analysis a final report will be issued to the funder, Forest Park Forever, a non-profit that supports the park, and to the City of St. Louis."

There is construction on west pine within the park, looks like they are either replacing the curbing, widening, or adding a bike lane.


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$600k building permit issued for replacing four tennis courts.

^ Great news.  I don't think I remember hearing anything about the Citygarden expansion.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 181f34be1d

The Muny is constructing a backstage pagoda to store scenery.

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$1M building permit application submitted for basketball courts

1M?!  

^ concrete and labor arent cheap

dbInSouthCity wrote:^ concrete and labor arent cheap

Exactly. For reference 4” of concrete at 500 sqft is roughly $6500. That would be considered cheap basic concrete. This, I imagine, will be thicker and higher grade with color therefore pushing the dollar amount up quickly.

Lol. Concrete is still very cheap and the labor here is as simple as it gets. I hope they bid these things out to small businesses as well. 

there is about 17,000-20,000 sq feet of concrete there and that's about $250,000 alone 

Not to mention proper grading and any soils corrections, subgrade preparation and compaction, rebar or post tensioning cable depending on the design, high quality finishing, painting, pavilion, benches and other site furnishings, water service for the drinking fountains, landscaping, and more. Once you add up materials, equipment, labor, direct and indirect overhead, and contractor and subcontractor profit, you can hit $1 million pretty quickly.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Aug 14, 2023

there is about 17,000-20,000 sq feet of concrete there and that's about $250,000 alone 

Whats your math here? 

I don't really care if they spend 100M on it unless this is public money that is spent but it's a crazy amount for what it is. 

Also if like I said they bid these things out to small businesses as well and this is the price they come up with then that's fine but I have a hunch they have a "preferred" GC. 

flipz wrote: ↑

Aug 14, 2023

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Aug 14, 2023

there is about 17,000-20,000 sq feet of concrete there and that's about $250,000 alone 

Whats your math here? 

I don't really care if they spend 100M on it unless this is public money that is spent but it's a crazy amount for what it is. 

Also if like I said they bid these things out to small businesses as well and this is the price they come up with then that's fine but I have a hunch they have a "preferred" GC. 

Exactly.  The City (not sure if this is technically a city funded project) has literally one preferred cement contractor.  17k-20k of concrete is a medium size job at best.  Current market rate for broom finished flat work is $8-$10 ft.  $13 per foot is expensive.  

ok at $15 that is 300k( at 20k sq ft). So 700k on the 4 post structure and maybe a dozen lights? I know this is small money compared to what they spend but because it is not a large project it allows us to see how wasteful and/or corrupt they are. 

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑

Aug 16, 2023

Thought this was going through Forest Park Forever.

I think $8-10/sqft was typical pre-pamdemic.  I know for our smaller projects we were pushing $18-20 across all bids and large commercial is closer to $15 these days so don't think that number is off base. 

Let me know if you need a good referral.  We are still paying $8-$10 per ft.  

It's interesting to learn how many members of this forum purchase concrete as part of their jobs. 

The nearest school to me has a backboard but no rim and hasn't for years. I entertained the thought of adding a rim and net myself but ultimately decided I should stay out of it.