Just to follow up briefly on the Unigov discussion, which probably should go to another thread, Indy/Marion County itself has the same issues we're going through with crime and car-nage (per capita rates on violent crime and pedestrian deaths, e.g. are not higher in City+County than in Indy/Marion County). It's also important to understand that the Indy region's wealth is more concentrated in the suburban counties to a greater extent than it is here in STL City + County. And just two population touch points: Indy's core city population (Center Township) declined by a greater % between merger and 2010 than it did during the same period in STL City. (Like our central corridor, it did grow last decade.) And between 2010 & 2020, Indianapolis lost the highest number of non-Hispanic whites than any other city in the country. It does have a significantly larger Hispanic population, which has driven the city's overall growth; in addition to still having a decent amount of greenfields left on the city edges being devoured for suburban-style tracts. Anyway, there's things I like about Indy and that we can learn from, as well as positive things they can learn from us.
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I’m so happy KG is staying put and fighting this against Jeff City because the court case is going to be absolutely EPIC.
Can the Governor appoint Wesley Bell as CA in the 22nd Circuit while still being the one in the 21st?
Kim's only hope is that she can somehow spin this into being about people disagreeing with her political philosophy, when in reality people are finally seeing just how much of an incompetent trainwreck her office is. With the legal angles probably a longshot, the best case is enough pressure to get her to resign and acknowledge that she is just flat out bad at the job of running a CA office.
There was a similar use of this tactic in the past. Democratic AG Chris Koster launched quo warranto proceedings against Dent County Prosecutor Jessica Sparks in 2009, on similar grounds - she was bad at her job. Ultimately Sparks wound up resigning from her job before the matter was litigated in court.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 23, 2023she's not resigning nor is the AG quo warranto going to convince Supreme Court, being bad at a job isn't not doing the job, it's all waste of time and money.
I have no idea what Gardner will do in coming days and weeks, but I see absolutely no chance in hell of her getting re-elected. She's lost a significant number of her own allies - a lot of people who voted for her and supported her in 2020 will not be repeating that mistake in 2024. She's become as toxic as Chesa Boudin became in San Francisco before he was ultimately ousted via recall. I would vastly prefer a progressive-leaning prosecutor in the mold of Wesley Bell in that role than an asshat like Bob McCulloch, but Gardner ain't it.
No idea whether he could or not, but do you really see any scenario in which MAGA-loon Parson would appoint Bell (or someone of a similar prosecutorial philosophy) to that post? Regardless of how all this plays out, it's gonna be a sh*tshow until the voters have their say in 2024. God help us all if we give this idiot another four years (referring to Gardner, though it also applies to Parson).quincunx wrote: ↑Feb 23, 2023Can the Governor appoint Wesley Bell as CA in the 22nd Circuit while still being the one in the 21st?
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What a beautiful, professional press conference. STL should be proud!
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You know, it sure would be nice if the CAO had a subsidiary office wherein a special prosecutor could have a role kind of like what Gardner originally sought for the entire CAO, one that pursues those times when someone was wrongfully prosecuted, or when inherent societal constrictions create injustices, and all the other stuff I don't have the words to best convey, and seeks justice being done. All that would be nice. Heck, if Gardner was in that office today, I'd really like it.
I love that there's justice for Lamar Johnson. Anyone else in his shoes, I hope they get justice upon themselves, too. It makes me proud to be from STL. But that's not the issue today...
The issue we have today truly is about administration of the office, about managerial effectiveness and execution of mission. I'd say Gardner has given me far more than enough reason to vote her out of office in 2024 - not for her politics, but for her failures administering the Circuit Attorney's Office.
Also: That press conference was a GDMF shartshow. She kept talking about how her office is only focused on the well-being of the young woman who is the tragic victim here, both in her initial statement and then immediately pivoting back to this when asked questions by the press. It's not just that her office really has no actionable responsibilities towards the care of the victim or her recovery other than prosecuting the bad guy. Honestly, she sounded just like Mark McGwire before the Congressional MLB Special Committee saying he didn't want to focus on the past.
I love that there's justice for Lamar Johnson. Anyone else in his shoes, I hope they get justice upon themselves, too. It makes me proud to be from STL. But that's not the issue today...
The issue we have today truly is about administration of the office, about managerial effectiveness and execution of mission. I'd say Gardner has given me far more than enough reason to vote her out of office in 2024 - not for her politics, but for her failures administering the Circuit Attorney's Office.
Also: That press conference was a GDMF shartshow. She kept talking about how her office is only focused on the well-being of the young woman who is the tragic victim here, both in her initial statement and then immediately pivoting back to this when asked questions by the press. It's not just that her office really has no actionable responsibilities towards the care of the victim or her recovery other than prosecuting the bad guy. Honestly, she sounded just like Mark McGwire before the Congressional MLB Special Committee saying he didn't want to focus on the past.
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This state AG thing is just going to empower Gardner even more. The 3 main reasons he lays out aren’t going to sway a judge. One he says it’s because she sometimes refuses cases from SLMPD….I mean yeah that’s the whole point of prosecutorial discretion, police don’t decide what’s gets prosecuted, they gather evidence and present to the CA what they think should be the charge.
“Joe Dandurand, now an attorney and mediator in the Kansas City area, was the assistant attorney general assigned to the Sparks case. The prosecutor, he said, specifically told commissioners that she would not file criminal cases unless they increased her budget. He said the filing from Bailey against Gardner seemed unusual because it appeared to lack a knowing or willful refusal to carry out her duties.”
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/governm ... rom-office
“Joe Dandurand, now an attorney and mediator in the Kansas City area, was the assistant attorney general assigned to the Sparks case. The prosecutor, he said, specifically told commissioners that she would not file criminal cases unless they increased her budget. He said the filing from Bailey against Gardner seemed unusual because it appeared to lack a knowing or willful refusal to carry out her duties.”
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/governm ... rom-office
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Think it can't get any worse?
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/inves ... xit-recirc
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The "press conference" yesterday was an absolute embarrassment, as was her p-ss poor statement on the Janae E. incident. Gardner's supporters hijacked the press conference and made it a disorganized "town hall". Legitimate reporters couldn't even ask basic questions. What a joke!
And I agree, if Gardner survives the push to get her ousted, her & her supporters will only be more emboldened.
I thought I would make another point about Kim Gardner and the constant reminder that she got 70%+ of the vote in the most recent election. While that may be true, we are talking about 300K people and a small % of people that actually showed up to vote? 25-30%ish? On top of that, her competition was not a real competitor. He had no chance. If a Wesley Bell type candidate with financial backing went up against her, maybe she does not get elected. Regardless of your opinions regarding her campaign promises and her platform as a whole, she is clearly in over her head regarding the CA job. She is unprofessional, lacks any transparency and blames everyone else for her shortcomings. While she is one of MANY problems, it would be a good start for her to step down, as her presence has created a toxic environment in the City. For the record, I do not support her, nor did I vote for her. (Obviously)
And I agree, if Gardner survives the push to get her ousted, her & her supporters will only be more emboldened.
I thought I would make another point about Kim Gardner and the constant reminder that she got 70%+ of the vote in the most recent election. While that may be true, we are talking about 300K people and a small % of people that actually showed up to vote? 25-30%ish? On top of that, her competition was not a real competitor. He had no chance. If a Wesley Bell type candidate with financial backing went up against her, maybe she does not get elected. Regardless of your opinions regarding her campaign promises and her platform as a whole, she is clearly in over her head regarding the CA job. She is unprofessional, lacks any transparency and blames everyone else for her shortcomings. While she is one of MANY problems, it would be a good start for her to step down, as her presence has created a toxic environment in the City. For the record, I do not support her, nor did I vote for her. (Obviously)
You can say the same of virtually any local election in the city.DogtownBnR wrote: ↑Feb 24, 2023While that may be true, we are talking about 300K people and a small % of people that actually showed up to vote? 25-30%ish?
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^Yep and that is sad and pathetic that 25-30% of the City population is making MAJOR decisions for the region. The fragmentation continues to haunt us!
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She didn’t get 70+%. She got 60 and Carl got 40. The democrat primary is the election, the general is a waste of time in city elections
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That's right. I was thinking of the previous election when she got 74%.
Kimberly Gardner 60.8 43,425
Mary Pat Carl 39.2 28,031
This is still pathetic considering roughly 300K people 'could vote'. Nothing new, but still pathetic.
Kimberly Gardner 60.8 43,425
Mary Pat Carl 39.2 28,031
This is still pathetic considering roughly 300K people 'could vote'. Nothing new, but still pathetic.
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220,000 registered votersDogtownBnR wrote: ↑Feb 24, 2023That's right. I was thinking of the previous election when she got 74%.
Kimberly Gardner 60.8 43,425
Mary Pat Carl 39.2 28,031
This is still pathetic considering roughly 300K people 'could vote'. Nothing new, but still pathetic.
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Still 150K people decided not to vote. Another 80K not registered.
Wish there was a way to change this.
Wish there was a way to change this.
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^I have to give you credit... You are the stat man!
So in the end, we still have to find a way to get over 200K people to vote.
So in the end, we still have to find a way to get over 200K people to vote.
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its an uphill battle, id settle for 100,000 voters at muni elections
RFT - David Mueller Will Challenge Kim Gardner in 2024
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/da ... 4-39814438
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/da ... 4-39814438
Superb! Looks like a pretty damn good candidate. I guess we will see where city voters priorities lie.
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This guy has no chance. The CA is elected on the normal party primary system, it’s in august when the gop votes for presidential nominee, off the bat he would lose 15% of city voters that will vote gop ballot. You cannot beat the progressive/black coalition in a democrat only primary.
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I think you mean when the GOP votes for Governor/Senator. The GOP Presidential primary will be in March.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 11, 2023The CA is elected on the normal party primary system, it’s in august when the gop votes for presidential nominee, off the bat he would lose 15% of city voters that will vote gop ballot.