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For 2020, police have gotten the CAO to issue charges in 40 cases while 11 were refused by the CAO.

Det. Sgt. Heather Taylor, President of The Ethical Society of Police, was on Donnybrook last week. She said she personally knows of several murder cases in which the police had presented "cut and dried" evidence to the STL Circuit Attorney's office for prosecution. They still refused to file charges.  

framer wrote: ↑

Sep 15, 2020

Det. Sgt. Heather Taylor, President of The Ethical Society of Police, was on Donnybrook last week. She said she personally knows of several murder cases in which the police had presented "cut and dried" evidence to the STL Circuit Attorney's office for prosecution. They still refused to file charges.  

As we've seen Gardner file murder charges on regular bases for all kinds of murder cases, i'd say she probably disagrees on the evidence or its an issue with the officer involved aka A Giglio or Brady list is a list compiled usually by a prosecutor's office or a police department containing the names and details of law enforcement officers who have had sustained incidents of untruthfulness, criminal convictions, candor issues, or some other type of issue placing their credibility into question.

^Shouldn't that be up to a jury to decide? 

framer wrote: ↑

Sep 15, 2020

^Shouldn't that be up to a jury to decide? 

That's exactly what I was going to say.

Hey, I can think of a few people I'd like to rub out. Is there any way I can ensure that whoever gets my case is on Gardner's "list"?

framer wrote: ↑

Sep 15, 2020

^Shouldn't that be up to a jury to decide? 

the prosecutor cannot ethically take a case to jury unless he/she believes they can win it with the evidence at hand. 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Sep 15, 2020

framer wrote: ↑

Sep 15, 2020

^Shouldn't that be up to a jury to decide? 

the prosecutor cannot ethically take a case to jury unless he/she believes they can win it with the evidence at hand. 

So we have a tangible drop in murder charges at the same time we have a dramatic rise in murders. This is a positive development?

There is no drop in anything. We aren’t solving 4 in 5 murders, that’s the issue. Not the 1 in 5 where 1 in 5 of that turns into a difference of opinion on strength of evidence between the person who goes in front of a jury and the detective collecting the evidence. If you take a bad case to trial you will lose and then what?

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2023

Watch it Goat. An Urbanstl hard azz will come after you!

What are the odds the car that hit the poor girl has expired tags. I’m going with 3-1 odds.

Dare I say Kim Gardner should be recalled? 

Recall would be close but ultimately she’d survive it

Not sure how many more times people can read about the complete ineptitude of Kim Gardner's office and still defend it. It honestly blows my mind that she remains in office.

jbacott wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2023

Not sure how many more times people can read about the complete ineptitude of Kim Gardner's office and still defend it. It honestly blows my mind that she remains in office.

It's literally criminal.  Her incompetence is negatively impacting the lives of everyone that resides in or visits our city.

Can we just put people who murder people in prison for awhile? Is that unreasonable?

^ 71 of 90 homicides where SLMPD asked for a murder charge one was issued, 19 were turned away for evidence issues or state self-defense law issue 

At the end of the day all of this is on KG. The city will be way better off & so will downtown. All of this started with KG and it will end with her. Downtown will see better days & more investment in the coming years is my prediction


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Kim Gardner is finito. I promise you all, she's done. I don't see the people of St. Louis city electing her again. 

Tishaura Jones is now saying she's lot the trust of the people. 

https://fox2now.com/news/janae-edmondso ... he-people/

“This incident and others have highlighted the fact that some improvements need to be made in her office,” said Jones on Gardner. “She really needs to do some soul-searching as to whether she wants to continue as circuit attorney because she’s lost the trust of the people.”

Tishaura Jones is calling on Kim Gardner to do some "soul searching" to decide if she really wants to remain Circuit Attorney.

This is like Barry Goldwater going to Nixon in early August 1974 telling him the writing is on the wall. 

Over/under on Gardner's resignation announcement?

Not only is Tishaura Jones rebuking Kim Gardner, Megan Green has denounced her, at least three St. Louis city aldermen have denounced her, and a few state representatives are calling for her resignation. 

I feel momentum is mounting against her. She's not going to last. She's either going to resign or politicians across the state of Missouri are going to go after her with everything they've got. 

Unfortunately, this is only going to motivate GOP efforts in MOLeg to take control of STL police department.

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Feb 22, 2023

^ I don’t agree with that but let them have Gardner’s office.  What an embarrassing failure she is.  Where’s Jennifer Joyce!?

I think we need an Indy solution…where the state (the General Assembly) finally got fed up with all the bullsh*t and simply merged Indy and Marion county together in 1970.  St. Louisians can no longer be trusted to make the right decisions.  As much as I hate the state…they’re going to have to step in.  Locals here won’t do sh*t and yet somehow will be shocked that things don’t get better haha.

No merger that excludes St. Charles County makes sense. I don't see why there can't be a real movement for merger without either the colonialism of the State of Missouri intervening or the clumsy, elitist attitude of a Better Together. However it's going to take a lot of real work to get a Wentzville resident and a leftist from Dutchtown like myself to identify the common cause of the region's future. It can be done, though. But the effort cannot ignore that a lot of the differences in the region are more cultural than political (or it would be a lot easier). I think that having it forced on such a pair by the General Assembly is a sure way to dilute any common spirit into further animosity. 

"St. Louisians can no longer be trusted to make the right decisions. As much as I hate the state…they’re going to have to step in"

So rural MO counties that would tomorrow vote 80% in favor of returning an insurrectionist to the White House can be trusted but we can't?

Sounds about white.

Maybe a poll tax for everyone living east of Skinker too huh?

Missouri Attorney General says leave by noon or be removed. Not sure if this has teeth but it’s not common I’m aligned with a Missouri AG