I asked about that rendering from 4th and Chouteau since that area isn't included on the map. They said they're focused on the areas shown in the map, so I conclude that rendering is very much dreams.
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Quick thoughts on the manufacturing and container-on-barge parts...
- They apparently have two undisclosed construction industry manufacturing companies ready to enter the site once it's ready. I'm going to guess it'll be prefab, modular, or related components used on a regular basis in the industry. It may be as simple as prefab concrete, more complex like windows, or as advanced as full modular building construction, like prefab housing. All we know is that these two unnamed companies have offices in New York and San Francisco.
- The buildings along the docks, bottom left corner of the big rendering, the ones with the solar panel roofs... Could those be the factories for these construction industry manufacturing companies?
- Shipping in containers on barges from the site could be a huge clue here to their intentions. Perhaps that container port will be proprietary to these manufacturers, wherein they will receive raw materials and ship out finished goods in containers. If they have heavy goods, and the right CoB barges, this could be an extremely efficient means of conveyance, saving a hell of a lot of money in the process, and giving these manufacturers the competitive advantages they'll need to get a foothold in their industry. Shipping heavy things by barge would be less expensive than over rail and definitely cheaper than by truck. If they can ship heavy goods directly via the inland waterways to intermodal transport hubs in major US markets, and recognizing significant cost savings in doing so, that alone could justify this entire project. Off the top of my head, I can see this outfit running prefab heavy construction materials all the way up the Illinois River to Chicago and their container yards that can access the rest of the Great Lakes. That'd be a big deal, and a hell of a lot cheaper than sending such heavy things up via truck or even rail.
- I don't see the American Patriot container-on-vessel outfit necessarily docking at this port. Maybe, maybe not.
- More likely, I think this group would intend to send their finished goods, in containers, on barges, down to the under construction CoV port at Herculaneum, where their containers would leave the CoB barges for the American Patriot CoV ships that'll run downriver to their port in Plaquemines (south of NOLA) and be loaded onto oceangoing vessels to the rest of the world. Holy crap, the cost savings here for international shipping would be enormous.
OK, ignoring the rest of the proposal... I think the right manufacturers setting up shop here, building heavy parts & pieces, and shipping them off in containers directly onto an adjacent river port, will profit greatly through site consolidation and sustainable transportation cost savings. If this succeeds, then the rest of the development will likely be built out because they'll have the cash to do so.
- They apparently have two undisclosed construction industry manufacturing companies ready to enter the site once it's ready. I'm going to guess it'll be prefab, modular, or related components used on a regular basis in the industry. It may be as simple as prefab concrete, more complex like windows, or as advanced as full modular building construction, like prefab housing. All we know is that these two unnamed companies have offices in New York and San Francisco.
- The buildings along the docks, bottom left corner of the big rendering, the ones with the solar panel roofs... Could those be the factories for these construction industry manufacturing companies?
- Shipping in containers on barges from the site could be a huge clue here to their intentions. Perhaps that container port will be proprietary to these manufacturers, wherein they will receive raw materials and ship out finished goods in containers. If they have heavy goods, and the right CoB barges, this could be an extremely efficient means of conveyance, saving a hell of a lot of money in the process, and giving these manufacturers the competitive advantages they'll need to get a foothold in their industry. Shipping heavy things by barge would be less expensive than over rail and definitely cheaper than by truck. If they can ship heavy goods directly via the inland waterways to intermodal transport hubs in major US markets, and recognizing significant cost savings in doing so, that alone could justify this entire project. Off the top of my head, I can see this outfit running prefab heavy construction materials all the way up the Illinois River to Chicago and their container yards that can access the rest of the Great Lakes. That'd be a big deal, and a hell of a lot cheaper than sending such heavy things up via truck or even rail.
- I don't see the American Patriot container-on-vessel outfit necessarily docking at this port. Maybe, maybe not.
- More likely, I think this group would intend to send their finished goods, in containers, on barges, down to the under construction CoV port at Herculaneum, where their containers would leave the CoB barges for the American Patriot CoV ships that'll run downriver to their port in Plaquemines (south of NOLA) and be loaded onto oceangoing vessels to the rest of the world. Holy crap, the cost savings here for international shipping would be enormous.
OK, ignoring the rest of the proposal... I think the right manufacturers setting up shop here, building heavy parts & pieces, and shipping them off in containers directly onto an adjacent river port, will profit greatly through site consolidation and sustainable transportation cost savings. If this succeeds, then the rest of the development will likely be built out because they'll have the cash to do so.
Like those modular homes that were built a few years ago? Where are those exactly? I can't find them.
Do you or anyone know if the American Patriot CoV ships would be able to dock at this port too? Not big enough for their main regional operations, but they could collect local containers there. Ocean going container vessels often pick up containers from a bunch of relatively close ports before a longer journey, just wondering if that's possible for these river vessels.gone corporate wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022Quick thoughts on the manufacturing and container-on-barge parts...
- They apparently have two undisclosed construction industry manufacturing companies ready to enter the site once it's ready. I'm going to guess it'll be prefab, modular, or related components used on a regular basis in the industry. It may be as simple as prefab concrete, more complex like windows, or as advanced as full modular building construction, like prefab housing. All we know is that these two unnamed companies have offices in New York and San Francisco.
- The buildings along the docks, bottom left corner of the big rendering, the ones with the solar panel roofs... Could those be the factories for these construction industry manufacturing companies?
- Shipping in containers on barges from the site could be a huge clue here to their intentions. Perhaps that container port will be proprietary to these manufacturers, wherein they will receive raw materials and ship out finished goods in containers. If they have heavy goods, and the right CoB barges, this could be an extremely efficient means of conveyance, saving a hell of a lot of money in the process, and giving these manufacturers the competitive advantages they'll need to get a foothold in their industry. Shipping heavy things by barge would be less expensive than over rail and definitely cheaper than by truck. If they can ship heavy goods directly via the inland waterways to intermodal transport hubs in major US markets, and recognizing significant cost savings in doing so, that alone could justify this entire project. Off the top of my head, I can see this outfit running prefab heavy construction materials all the way up the Illinois River to Chicago and their container yards that can access the rest of the Great Lakes. That'd be a big deal, and a hell of a lot cheaper than sending such heavy things up via truck or even rail.
- I don't see the American Patriot container-on-vessel outfit necessarily docking at this port. Maybe, maybe not.
- More likely, I think this group would intend to send their finished goods, in containers, on barges, down to the under construction CoV port at Herculaneum, where their containers would leave the CoB barges for the American Patriot CoV ships that'll run downriver to their port in Plaquemines (south of NOLA) and be loaded onto oceangoing vessels to the rest of the world. Holy crap, the cost savings here for international shipping would be enormous.
OK, ignoring the rest of the proposal... I think the right manufacturers setting up shop here, building heavy parts & pieces, and shipping them off in containers directly onto an adjacent river port, will profit greatly through site consolidation and sustainable transportation cost savings. If this succeeds, then the rest of the development will likely be built out because they'll have the cash to do so.
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Are you thinking of the one on Pershing in Skinker-DeBaliviere?quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022Like those modular homes that were built a few years ago? Where are those exactly? I can't find them.
No, it was Tower Grove South or Benton Park West or some such. Each floor rolled in on a flat bed and a crane plopped them in.
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Well ok then. I fully understand the prospective companies want to be undisclosed at this time. I was just hoping someone could point to a company which manufactures this sort of thing so i could get a sense of what is being pursued here.gone corporate wrote: ↑Aug 12, 2022Quick thoughts on the manufacturing and container-on-barge parts...
- They apparently have two undisclosed construction industry manufacturing companies ready to enter the site once it's ready. I'm going to guess it'll be prefab, modular, or related components used on a regular basis in the industry. It may be as simple as prefab concrete, more complex like windows, or as advanced as full modular building construction, like prefab housing. All we know is that these two unnamed companies have offices in New York and San Francisco.
- The buildings along the docks, bottom left corner of the big rendering, the ones with the solar panel roofs... Could those be the factories for these construction industry manufacturing companies?
- Shipping in containers on barges from the site could be a huge clue here to their intentions. Perhaps that container port will be proprietary to these manufacturers, wherein they will receive raw materials and ship out finished goods in containers. If they have heavy goods, and the right CoB barges, this could be an extremely efficient means of conveyance, saving a hell of a lot of money in the process, and giving these manufacturers the competitive advantages they'll need to get a foothold in their industry. Shipping heavy things by barge would be less expensive than over rail and definitely cheaper than by truck. If they can ship heavy goods directly via the inland waterways to intermodal transport hubs in major US markets, and recognizing significant cost savings in doing so, that alone could justify this entire project. Off the top of my head, I can see this outfit running prefab heavy construction materials all the way up the Illinois River to Chicago and their container yards that can access the rest of the Great Lakes. That'd be a big deal, and a hell of a lot cheaper than sending such heavy things up via truck or even rail.
- I don't see the American Patriot container-on-vessel outfit necessarily docking at this port. Maybe, maybe not.
- More likely, I think this group would intend to send their finished goods, in containers, on barges, down to the under construction CoV port at Herculaneum, where their containers would leave the CoB barges for the American Patriot CoV ships that'll run downriver to their port in Plaquemines (south of NOLA) and be loaded onto oceangoing vessels to the rest of the world. Holy crap, the cost savings here for international shipping would be enormous.
OK, ignoring the rest of the proposal... I think the right manufacturers setting up shop here, building heavy parts & pieces, and shipping them off in containers directly onto an adjacent river port, will profit greatly through site consolidation and sustainable transportation cost savings. If this succeeds, then the rest of the development will likely be built out because they'll have the cash to do so.
As you present it, it does sound like it could actually work. I do think some caution is warranted but I think you gotta give it a chance to work.
I do think the mixed use part is a little pipe dreamy but regardless the manufacturing piece feels worth a pursuing further.
Really ambitious, very "Bottle District" feel - Hope it has a better fate.
At least it seems to have more of a focus then the BD - Which was just the old "Live! Work! Play!" with no real direction beyond the platitudes
Here is the website for the planner/architect - it appears that they have experience with waterfront projects
https://henninglarsen.com/en
At least it seems to have more of a focus then the BD - Which was just the old "Live! Work! Play!" with no real direction beyond the platitudes
Here is the website for the planner/architect - it appears that they have experience with waterfront projects
https://henninglarsen.com/en
^ Get the same Bottle District like feel as well.
I have a hard time believing container on barge facilities coming about on this stretch of the river when you got full steam ahead downriver with some funding, including from the state, build out a container on barge facility on MO side as well as some well devloped/placed ports on the IL side.
As far as modular construction it never seems to gain attraction on efficiencies that seemed like a win win. Even in high cost areas to build in place. My two cents on that one is precast concrete ops and or metal fab which would benefit being along riverfront to take advantage of water transport, think materials being delivered and finished product like a precast concrete beam or steel components going on a barge & you would literally have access w cheap transport to all sorts of markets.
I have a hard time believing container on barge facilities coming about on this stretch of the river when you got full steam ahead downriver with some funding, including from the state, build out a container on barge facility on MO side as well as some well devloped/placed ports on the IL side.
As far as modular construction it never seems to gain attraction on efficiencies that seemed like a win win. Even in high cost areas to build in place. My two cents on that one is precast concrete ops and or metal fab which would benefit being along riverfront to take advantage of water transport, think materials being delivered and finished product like a precast concrete beam or steel components going on a barge & you would literally have access w cheap transport to all sorts of markets.
Imagine wanting to get rid of all this gritty cool AF railroad infrastructure. Hands off @STLEnginerd !
I'm surprised there isn't a monthly steampunk gathering there.
I'm surprised there isn't a monthly steampunk gathering there.
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Nextdoor comments on this are barely better than KMOV.
Here's an example "Screw redevelopment. Spend it on fixing crime and hiring more police"
Sigh.
Here's an example "Screw redevelopment. Spend it on fixing crime and hiring more police"
Sigh.
Why do these people act like the city government is the one funding all of these projects lmao
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Lack of intelligence and tunnel vision can explain most stupid comments on any social platform lolalexstl wrote:Why do these people act like the city government is the one funding all of these projects lmao
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True. Also once Nextdoor expanded from a neighborhood based platform where people could post and comment beyond their immediate neighbors it became a little more like Facebook and other comment sections (ie dominated by reactionary boomers).LArchitecture wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2022Lack of intelligence and tunnel vision can explain most stupid comments on any social platform lolalexstl wrote:Why do these people act like the city government is the one funding all of these projects lmao
I did comment that the vast majority of public funding for this is coming from Port Authority and other grants aimed at industrial and waterfront redevelopment. Not city coffers. We'll see if that changes the discussion or it's still "nope hire more cops" and "the riverfront will never change". I'm just glad I have this place for more reasoned and thoughtful discussion.
Why read the comments section on stories and social media posts from the big media when you have NextSTL, Kirkwood Gadfly, and myself? Plus, our content is always free. Save the headache and just stick to us for development and business news.
Most of the things I've noticed on Next door are people moving to the city to complain about things that happen in the city. Like complaining about noise, construction and god forbid gunshots 
The quote their newsbot pulled sure makes it sound like the gov't is funding it
"A resolution for a $1.2 billion project aimed at developing potentially 80 acres of land along the St. Louis riverfront was unanimously passed Thursday morning."
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I've seen people doing "sexy model in industrial decay" style photo shoots down there often enough.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2022Imagine wanting to get rid of all this gritty cool AF railroad infrastructure. Hands off @STLEnginerd !
I'm surprised there isn't a monthly steampunk gathering there.
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When Eads was built, 200 years ago, it was a boon and for decades it was the lynch pin that fueled St. Louis' growth. In 2022 though I don't think an east west train line through downtown is essential to its health and is quite probably obstacle. The riverfront needs the railroad still to support the industry there. The Metro region needs a major railroad river crossing near by to maintain its status as an essential hub for the movement of freight, but it doesn't have to be downtown, and i think downtown would benefit greatly if it wasn't.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2022Imagine wanting to get rid of all this gritty cool AF railroad infrastructure. Hands off @STLEnginerd !
I'm surprised there isn't a monthly steampunk gathering there.
i think the trestle is cool. I appreciate the gritty industrial style, but you can't build a city on steampunk nostalgia. If there were no trains and it was like the HighLine in New York I think it would be very popular. I notice none of your pictures showed the Poplar Street Wye which has decidedly less visual appeal, the southern leg of which was the only portion i was was suggesting should be demolished anyway. I did acknowledge the bridge itself would probably have to be demolished if it was not being used for rail service just because of cost of maintenance would probably be un sustainable but the trestle itself would be incorporated into pedestrian uses in my highly speculative scenario.
I just don't think you are going to get a mixed use development to sprout up in this part of downtown with this infrastructure as it currently is. Hoping this project proves me wrong.
The best is when they bring Tucker or Cayden or McKenzie down from Fort Zumwalt for senior headshots for gRiTsymphonicpoet wrote: ↑Aug 15, 2022I've seen people doing "sexy model in industrial decay" style photo shoots down there often enough.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2022Imagine wanting to get rid of all this gritty cool AF railroad infrastructure. Hands off @STLEnginerd !
I'm surprised there isn't a monthly steampunk gathering there.
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Ha. My wife and I got our engagement photos done there.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Aug 15, 2022I've seen people doing "sexy model in industrial decay" style photo shoots down there often enough.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2022Imagine wanting to get rid of all this gritty cool AF railroad infrastructure. Hands off @STLEnginerd !
I'm surprised there isn't a monthly steampunk gathering there.
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^Maybe I mistook you for sexy models? Of course . . . that would mean you were wearing at least a bit less clothing than your usual engagement photo shoot, but I don't judge.
The truth is, that would be an awesome spot. Better still, you could make a donation to MoT and do an after hours shoot there. Nothing sexier than open platform private varnish. Except for a steam locomotive cab, that is. (If you REALLY want to get steamy.)
The truth is, that would be an awesome spot. Better still, you could make a donation to MoT and do an after hours shoot there. Nothing sexier than open platform private varnish. Except for a steam locomotive cab, that is. (If you REALLY want to get steamy.)
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^Will have to consider for our 10 year 