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I don't expect St. Louis to land the Pelicans, but in a world where we do, I think we have to change the club name. 

I've always kind of liked the name 'St. Louis Saints' for an athletic team here. Would be too funny if we would do that after taking a basketball franchise from New Orleans. 

I also wonder if we'd have to change the name if we stole the Memphis Grizzlies, the team I hear discussed far more often in these hypothetical St. Louis NBA talks. We already have the Gateway Grizzlies independent baseball club in Sauget. 

pattimagee wrote: ↑

Feb 25, 2022

Would be super cool to have the team move to STL if this ends up being a serious proposal, but as previous posters have mentioned - we would be a (at best) third or fourth option with cities like Seattle or Vegas being highly considered as landing spots. But still a pretty cool piece of news. 

I wonder if this would spark any further discussions over a possible expansion of the league. I know a rumor at this point doesn't warrant any concern among the league governors but it may plant a seed in their mind about the future of the league and its growth at home and abroad. 

As far as names are concerned, I'm all for a badass name like Roughriders or Vipers or something to that effect. Don't really feel as excited when you have an admittedly lesser predatory bird like a pelican to root for . But just having a NBA team here would be huge and at that point, you could name it the St. Louis Paperclips and I'd still be behind the team.

Just move the Hawks back to STL, where they belong. They haven’t won a championship since they left so clearly they’re cursed


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Here's part of Las Vegas pitch to NBA.   A $3 billion development around a NBA size arena on south side of strip as outlined in the ENR story in link below.   I think it is only a matter of time before Vegas has all the major sports, NFL and NHL now.   Believe A's will announce a move before the year is out if Oakland City council doesn't approve Howard Terminal Ballpark/Development this summer and then it will be NBA next .    Edit, I should also add MLS not too far behind as the proposed development not to far from proposed MLS stadium and West Brightline/HSR rail 

Maybe wishful thinking but 2 franchise expansion teams  for Seattle & Vegas and 2 moves is probably the best outcome for St. Louis have any chance in the foreseeable future.     Of course in my world, I also think the Clippers should go back to Seattle and correct a wrong.   I would move NBA from Oklahoma to KC as well to gain a bigger market share.

https://www.enr.com/articles/53899-plan ... 1021934J9T

dredger wrote: ↑

Apr 11, 2022

Here's part of Las Vegas pitch to NBA.   A $3 billion development around a NBA size arena on south side of strip as outlined in the ENR story in link below.   I think it is only a matter of time before Vegas has all the major sports, NFL and NHL now.   Believe A's will announce a move before the year is out if Oakland City council doesn't approve Howard Terminal Ballpark/Development this summer and then it will be NBA next .    Edit, I should also add MLS not too far behind as the proposed development not to far from proposed MLS stadium and West Brightline/HSR rail 

Maybe wishful thinking but 2 franchise expansion teams  for Seattle & Vegas and 2 moves is probably the best outcome for St. Louis have any chance in the foreseeable future.     Of course in my world, I also think the Clippers should go back to Seattle and correct a wrong.   I would move NBA from Oklahoma to KC as well to gain a bigger market share.

https://www.enr.com/articles/53899-plan ... 1021934J9T

Quite exciting to see! The only issue I see with Seattle and Vegas getting expansion teams out west means there will be an imbalance in the EC. Temporary fix would likely be to move the Grizzlies and possibly the Pelicans to the EC but if the league continues to expand, it'll require a reshuffle of teams in each conference. All speculation for the future, so no need to dive into this quite yet.

I wonder what commitments the NBA will be looking for when it comes to development around an arena for future contender cities. Hopefully the proposals here in Vegas won't set a precedent for what the NBA is looking to see other cities propose for future arena projects or redevelopments, since that would put a lot of cities out of contention. This could also apply to STL's aspirations for a future NBA team here if the price tag goes beyond a reasonable amount. A bit concerning, but hopefully we could use this to our advantage in coming up with creative projects around Enterprise while keeping the price tag within reason so as to not make it into a money pit. 

It's good to see that leadership in our government is open to the idea, but I just don't see it happening right now.

I believe in St. Louis, though, and I think we can get to that point where we're attractive to a league like NBA. I just think it means, at the very least, really getting the Central Corridor humming all the way from Clayton to the Arch with a lot fewer blips. 

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Jul 10, 2022

It's good to see that leadership in our government is open to the idea, but I just don't see it happening right now.

I believe in St. Louis, though, and I think we can get to that point where we're attractive to a league like NBA. I just think it means, at the very least, really getting the Central Corridor humming all the way from Clayton to the Arch with a lot fewer blips. 

If Memphis has a NBA team, I don't think those are the necessary perimeters.

Seattle is definitely getting a team. I saw a few comments with quite a few likes that mentioned St. Louis, so maybe that's a good thing?

I stand by what I said. 

St. Louis has two pro teams, soon to be three, and the NBA has historically shied away from markets like that - mid-sized markets with other popular clubs. They go to markets like Oklahoma City, Portland, San Antonio, Orlando, Memphis, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, etc., and I think it's pretty obvious why: there isn't much competition. 

To stand out as a mid-sized market against other similar-sized cities, it will require adding population - and dollars - to the city core. 

I think we can get there, but we aren't there yet. 

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Jul 10, 2022

I stand by what I said. 

St. Louis has two pro teams, soon to be three, and the NBA has historically shied away from markets like that - mid-sized markets with other popular clubs. They go to markets like Oklahoma City, Portland, San Antonio, Orlando, Memphis, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, etc., and I think it's pretty obvious why: there isn't much competition. 

To stand out as a mid-sized market against other similar-sized cities, it will require adding population - and dollars - to the city core. 

I think we can get there, but we aren't there yet. 

New Orleans and Milwaukee have two professional sports teams being half our size with far less F500s. Cleveland and PIttsburgh are smaller metros with worse economic projections than St. Louis and have 3 professional teams. Indianapolis also has both NBA and NFL. I don't think it's market size in our case. I think it's having a billionaire with deep pockets and the political will locally.

^And I suspect the NBA would be wildly popular. Should be a near instant success.

goat314 wrote: ↑

Jul 10, 2022

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Jul 10, 2022

I stand by what I said. 

St. Louis has two pro teams, soon to be three, and the NBA has historically shied away from markets like that - mid-sized markets with other popular clubs. They go to markets like Oklahoma City, Portland, San Antonio, Orlando, Memphis, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, etc., and I think it's pretty obvious why: there isn't much competition. 

To stand out as a mid-sized market against other similar-sized cities, it will require adding population - and dollars - to the city core. 

I think we can get there, but we aren't there yet. 

New Orleans and Milwaukee have two professional sports teams being half our size with far less F500s. Cleveland and PIttsburgh are smaller metros with worse economic projections than St. Louis and have 3 professional teams. Indianapolis also has both NBA and NFL. I don't think it's market size in our case. I think it's having a billionaire with deep pockets and the political will locally.

So where's our billionaire? How much would an expansion/relocation fee be for NBA? $2 billion? $3 billion? 

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Jul 10, 2022

goat314 wrote: ↑

Jul 10, 2022

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Jul 10, 2022

I stand by what I said. 

St. Louis has two pro teams, soon to be three, and the NBA has historically shied away from markets like that - mid-sized markets with other popular clubs. They go to markets like Oklahoma City, Portland, San Antonio, Orlando, Memphis, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, etc., and I think it's pretty obvious why: there isn't much competition. 

To stand out as a mid-sized market against other similar-sized cities, it will require adding population - and dollars - to the city core. 

I think we can get there, but we aren't there yet. 

New Orleans and Milwaukee have two professional sports teams being half our size with far less F500s. Cleveland and PIttsburgh are smaller metros with worse economic projections than St. Louis and have 3 professional teams. Indianapolis also has both NBA and NFL. I don't think it's market size in our case. I think it's having a billionaire with deep pockets and the political will locally.

So where's our billionaire? How much would an expansion/relocation fee be for NBA? $2 billion? $3 billion? 

I wonder if the new soccer team and to an extent the (potential?) return of the Battlehawks dims our immediate prospects in that there's only so much billionaire sports team money at any one time and a lot of it is tied up right now in those projects, it's hard to launch expansion teams in multiple leagues at one time. Of course maybe that doesn't matter so much as the timeline for the NBA is probably far enough out, but I do wonder if that would be an impediment if the NBA opportunity comes in the near future.

I feel the same way every time I open the N/S Metrolink thread 

If we didn't rehash the same arguments this forum would get a lot quieter very quickly.

symphonicpoet wrote:If we didn't rehash the same arguments this forum would get a lot quieter very quickly.

Man with money and a previously stated interest in owning an NBA team in St. Louis says to Mayor Jones:

dweebe wrote: ↑

Jul 11, 2022

addxb2 wrote: ↑

Jul 11, 2022

symphonicpoet wrote:If we didn't rehash the same arguments this forum would get a lot quieter very quickly.

Man with money and a previously stated interest in owning an NBA team in St. Louis says to Mayor Jones:

Does he have $2 billionish in liquidity to buy a team/get an expansion team plus another $500 million + to build a new arena?

I'm sure they would have to build a group.