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Ebsy wrote: ↑

Dec 07, 2021

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Dec 07, 2021

I hate MoLeg as much as anyone, but these companies are not looking elsewhere because we don’t incentivise green projects.

These companies choose NC, TN and TX because these states are staunchly anti-worker and anti-labor and have growing workforces.

If you really want Mo to compete for these projects, you’ll have to get onboard with right to work.

Missourians coming out in droves to vote down Right to Work was one of the proudest moments of my life. The people of this state did not believe the lies being peddled then, and bringing the same false dichotomy here isn't going to change anything.

It was also one of my proudest moments. Honda’s two plants in Ohio are the only foreign auto assembly plants in the us that are not right to work. That’s no coincidence.

^ nice article. grotesquely, this was the sponsored add shown to me while reading it:

Yeah it usually shows up for me, unfortunately.

At least it's electric

On its face it seems like electric cars are good idea. I'm just not so sure anymore.

Some random thoughts.

We all agree  gas stations are ugly. It's even uglier when they shut down and the remediation costs renders the land useless basically forever. But how ugly will the landscape look when 200 million people have their own personal charging station and how the hell will this even happen when you can't fill a pothole?

Is there enough children in Africa to mine the required resources?

I don't see how the world will be a better place with few hundred million Tesla's.

I don't even think I drIve maybe ten miles a week.

I read something generally saying that if New York City went four days without supplies and goods and food and resources trucked in it would essentially be chaos. I don't know if that's true or not.

Electric cars will be a niche white wealthy thing for the remainder of your lifespan.

Seems like a good chunk of those 200 million already have a parking spot of some sort, so just put in chargers there?  We definitely need to figure out what gas stations of the future look like, though.  Biggest downside of electric cars is the long distance trips, but the same could be said for when automobiles were first invented. 

electric cars would be a good idea in combination with VAST reductions in VMT, car consumerism, and driver entitlement. otherwise it's gonna be more of the same with pollution and environmental damage taking a different form. and EVs will likely be worse for pedestrians and cyclists due to their increased weight and torque. i have no hope that things are going to change for the better in the U.S.

I like that they are quieter and the pollution generated for their propulsion is created somewhere besides where the car is. They still make a lot of fine particulates. As UD pointed out, they are heavier so more momentum in a crash and more damage to the road surface. Then there's taxing them to pay for the infrastructure. Sounds like a VMT tax is politically impossible and technically difficult. Missouri charges an annual fee right now. $75 for vehicles up to 18,000 lbs. One that scales with weight starting at 0 lbs sounds appropriate. Trouble is collecting the gas tax happens when a driver buys gas. When does the electric car driver pay? Depending on them doing it voluntarily sounds problematic as we've seen with car sales tax, registration fees, and insurance premiums. As for charging, a lot of charging will happen at home over night. But what about people who park in the street?

I get my EV fee for infrastructure from the state at the end of the year in the mail. I think $75.00 sounds right but not sure how the come up with that amount?

leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2022

On its face it seems like electric cars are good idea. I'm just not so sure anymore.

They're are a good idea. Better than internal combustion.

In the UK, Shell is Converting Gas Stations to Charging Centers https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2022/01/in-the-uk-shell-is-converting-gas-stations-to-charging-centers/

Techstl wrote: ↑

Feb 21, 2022

I get my EV fee for infrastructure from the state at the end of the year in the mail. I think $75.00 sounds right but not sure how the come up with that amount?

I don't know how, but the math seems reasonable
10,000 miles/ 25 mpg = 400 gal * 0.17 state fuel tax = $68

Looks like Toyota's Troy MO will get a small slice of the EV pie, investments.   $109 million dollar investment as reported by Post Dispatch

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 50176.html

A bunch of Tesla chargers have been built at the front of the Green Street HQ. Nice to see more of these popping up.

Disappointing to see a reputable company buy into the Tesla ponzi scheme.

Is there a particular drawback to installing Tesla chargers? As long as they don't try to pull an Apple and can charge any kind of electric car I don't see the problem here

^Tesla did pull an Apple. If they're specifically Tesla charging stations then they can't charge anything but a Tesla. Everybody else uses a different connector. (And I don't believe it's something where a simple adaptor will work, either. Entirely different systems.)

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Jun 23, 2022

^Tesla did pull an Apple. If they're specifically Tesla charging stations then they can't charge anything but a Tesla. Everybody else uses a different connector. (And I don't believe it's something where a simple adaptor will work, either. Entirely different systems.)

I thought they let every manufacturer use their charger tech for free. Thought I read that somewhere. 

Based on a quick internet search, it looks like you can charge a "regular" electric vehicle at a Tesla charging station using an adapter that costs a few hundred bucks.

^Apologies. In my remarkably superficial research I didn't find the dongle. But that still seems pretty closely parallel to the Apple incompatibility problem. One of these days I'll probably go full EV, but not Tesla. (Probably Toyota, truth be told. I'm perfectly capable of joining a cult, but I tend to prefer my cults stodgier and older.)

No apologies necessary. My bad if my comment came across as snarky...stupid internet. And I agree with you, the fact that one would even need a several-hundred-dollar adapter is stupid and unnecessary. It's one of the reasons I prefer Android over Apple devices.

^Nah, you're fine. I didn't realize you could buy a dongle. My Prius is too old to plug in anyway, so I haven't researched it as well as I should.

And yeah, three hundred bucks is a bit of an outlay. If you can afford a car you can probably afford an adaptor, but . . . why would you? I'm under the impression there's enough non-Tesla fast-charging stations out there now anyway for a lot of Eastern US trips. Technology Connections did a couple of videos on the subject recently.

^Oh, I think other people are building DC fast charging stations quickly enough now. Just not with the patented Musk emitter. There's a universal standard now used by nearly everyone but Tesla. A quick glance shows a DC fast charging station with both CCS and the rather unusual Japanese standard CHAdeMO over behind the South Grand Commerce bank by Rooster. There's a bunch of other public chargers nearby, but maybe not with the DC option.