regardless of what your opinions are regarding abortion (which I think fit well in Saudi Arabia, not in the west, but that is beside the point), what is the point of banning IUDs?BuildItStLouis wrote: ↑May 10, 2022There are much deeper religious reasons and factors that take years to fully understand as to why abortion is wrong, and frankly I do not care all that much to explain it to you all, let alone type it all out when there is obviously no way I can change any of your minds, get a non-condescending answer, or have an actual person-to-person conversation over the topic. So I'm just gonna end it there. I'll keep you all in my prayers.
The trouble is that we do not share a religion. I can accept that, but not everyone on the religious side is able or willing to. In a pluralistic society, one with multiple religions and cultural traditions, you're going to need to base your legal system on something mutually agreeable. And that something won't be religion, because we don't hold it in common. And if you can't find a mutually agreeable reason to outlaw a thing then you can't outlaw it. We don't agree. You can not do it yourself, but you can't make me not do it just because it's against your religion. That was the basic logic behind the separation of church and state the framers of the constitution baked into the system in the first place. And I, for one, am not going to stand idly by and allow someone to make my home into a theocracy. The sixteenth century wars of religion were a deeply bloody mess. We do not want to go back to that.BuildItStLouis wrote: ↑May 10, 2022There are much deeper religious reasons and factors that take years to fully understand as to why abortion is wrong, and frankly I do not care all that much to explain it to you all, let alone type it all out when there is obviously no way I can change any of your minds, get a non-condescending answer, or have an actual person-to-person conversation over the topic. So I'm just gonna end it there. I'll keep you all in my prayers.
If you were truly interested in abortion becoming statistically null, you would favor a comprehensive social safety net, wider availability of contraception, and the destruction of patriarchy in this country. Overturning Roe is a giant step backward, which will lead to more infant mortality, worse health outcomes for women and children, weakening of personal freedoms and an overall step back. This is our country, not your church.BuildItStLouis wrote: ↑May 09, 2022I think it's based more on Natural Law rather than personal beliefs. It's wrong and evil to murder. Call it "reproductive rights" or "it's just a clump of cells" or "it's MY body", etc., you're just playing word games. It's a human that is being murdered in the end and that is wrong. 63 million and counting. Just let that sink in.
I hope you're right, but never underestimate Missouri's ability to be stupid.Baltimore Jack wrote:I'm curious as to how the fallout from the overturn of Roe v. Wade will play out in the voting patterns of STL suburbs. My guess is it will accelerate STL County's Democratic trend. I feel like it could cause the GOP's grip on St. Charles County to lessen a bit as well based on the demographics of those moving there.
The thing that makes me angriest about the Louisiana law:kipfilet wrote: ↑May 10, 2022regardless of what your opinions are regarding abortion (which I think fit well in Saudi Arabia, not in the west, but that is beside the point), what is the point of banning IUDs?BuildItStLouis wrote: ↑May 10, 2022There are much deeper religious reasons and factors that take years to fully understand as to why abortion is wrong, and frankly I do not care all that much to explain it to you all, let alone type it all out when there is obviously no way I can change any of your minds, get a non-condescending answer, or have an actual person-to-person conversation over the topic. So I'm just gonna end it there. I'll keep you all in my prayers.
Democrats have spent 50 years doing nothing to protect abortion rights so I'll be surprised if it makes much difference. They might get a small bump this year while RvW is in the news that fades when nothing changes.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑May 11, 2022I'm curious as to how the fallout from the overturn of Roe v. Wade will play out in the voting patterns of STL suburbs. My guess is it will accelerate STL County's Democratic trend. I feel like it could cause the GOP's grip on St. Charles County to lessen a bit as well based on the demographics of those moving there.
The jerrymandering of Maplewood in to MO-2 is blatant and aggravating. But it’s not as bad as when they had it part of MO-3 for a while.Miss Shell wrote: ↑May 13, 2022MO-2 is pretty ridiculous looking. But you gotta have those rural Republicans outnumber south suburb Democrats, am I right?
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Not sure how you can say that when Democrats appointed every justice that voted to uphold Roe.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑May 13, 2022Democrats have spent 50 years doing nothing to protect abortion rights so I'll be surprised if it makes much difference. They might get a small bump this year while RvW is in the news that fades when nothing changes.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑May 11, 2022I'm curious as to how the fallout from the overturn of Roe v. Wade will play out in the voting patterns of STL suburbs. My guess is it will accelerate STL County's Democratic trend. I feel like it could cause the GOP's grip on St. Charles County to lessen a bit as well based on the demographics of those moving there.
Codifying Roe v. Wade in the form of the Freedom of Choice Act was literally the first thing Obama said he'd do once he was in office. Yet despite that and the Democrats holding a majority in both houses of Congress at the time, they did nothing.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑May 14, 2022Not sure how you can say that when Democrats appointed every justice that voted to uphold Roe.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑May 13, 2022Democrats have spent 50 years doing nothing to protect abortion rights so I'll be surprised if it makes much difference. They might get a small bump this year while RvW is in the news that fades when nothing changes.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑May 11, 2022I'm curious as to how the fallout from the overturn of Roe v. Wade will play out in the voting patterns of STL suburbs. My guess is it will accelerate STL County's Democratic trend. I feel like it could cause the GOP's grip on St. Charles County to lessen a bit as well based on the demographics of those moving there.
I also would like to know. I generally refuse to use the electronic machines and have always used paper ballots. I even thought I read in a previous article they eliminated touch screen voting machines too?quincunx wrote: ↑May 14, 2022No paper ballots at all or just in certain cases? I like paper ballots because a human and a machine can read them.
"disallows use of paper ballots"
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... e15e1.html
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/2022-05 ... equirementIn addition to requiring photo ID, the bill allows Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft, a Republican, to review the list of registered voters in any jurisdiction. Electronic voting machines will be banned after 2024, except in cases where a voter with a disability cannot use a paper ballot. Those machines, however, would be required to have a paper trail for a potential election review.
I used to think Republican voters were idiots. But, Republicans vote for elected officials who actually implement their desired (reactionary) politics, so I guess I was the idiot all along.Trololzilla wrote: ↑May 14, 2022Codifying Roe v. Wade in the form of the Freedom of Choice Act was literally the first thing Obama said he'd do once he was in office. Yet despite that and the Democrats holding a majority in both houses of Congress at the time, they did nothing.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑May 14, 2022Not sure how you can say that when Democrats appointed every justice that voted to uphold Roe.MarkHaversham wrote: ↑May 13, 2022Democrats have spent 50 years doing nothing to protect abortion rights so I'll be surprised if it makes much difference. They might get a small bump this year while RvW is in the news that fades when nothing changes.
It's the pandering and then not actually doing what they say they're gonna do even when they're well in control of the government that's going to be the Democrats' undoing. Reap what you sow, I suppose.
Woops! My bad. Thanks for correcting me about the medicaid expansion. Shows I need to stay on top of statewide politics.sc4mayor wrote:^ Definitely agree, however they did fully fund the Medicaid expansion and since they failed to get the changes to the initiative petition process across the finish line, that's settled...for the time being.
