IMO metrolink shouldn't go to west county, south county, and St. Charles. We're the same metro population as Vancouver, Amsterdam, or Copenhagen with 1/3 of the core density. Make the city and inner ring and easier place to live without a car. The MetroLink doens't come to you, you go to it. If people continue to choose to live in low density sprawl, we're not building a massive inefficient light rail network they clearly have no interest in using.harstec888 wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022I agree that urban communities are ravaged by highways, but WHERE is the Public Transportation? WHERE is the metrolink to west county & south county & st charles? I have to wait , change trains and buses , it takes hours to use the current public transportation than like 20 mins in driving.
Transit is languishing at the back of the line waiting for funding because the powers that be prioritize stroad and highway construction then act surprised that they end up with a less usable system. If we want a usable system (which we need) then we need to prioritize building it and stop using our procrastination as an excuse to build more highways.harstec888 wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022I agree that urban communities are ravaged by highways, but WHERE is the Public Transportation? WHERE is the metrolink to west county & south county & st charles? I have to wait , change trains and buses , it takes hours to use the current public transportation than like 20 mins in driving.imran wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022American urban communities have been ravaged and decimated by highways. We have our own prime example downtown of an elevated highway that has rendered the area desolate.shadrach wrote: ↑Apr 17, 2022BTW—Diversity of thought is not tolerated around here. Just kidding, but not…
I posted years ago saying I wish I-24 would be completed—connecting to St. Louis as originally planned and got a the drubbing of a lifetime. Still think it should be.
That said, I-64 not connecting with I-44/55 on the Missouri side has always been a head scratcher for me. I think I-755 was to solve that but good thing that didn’t happen.
If your diverse thought arises out of unawareness of history and past experience it will receive push back. As it should.
(I know you know this and were half-kidding. Just made me think about the sometimes fine line between freedom of expression and trolling)
I would be more than happy and (vote for them for life) if more metrolinks are constructed, amtraks to Louisville, Nashville, Indianapolis. But where are they? This country is designed for driving and highways are not being constructed and no public transportation progress. Result is chugging along 25 mph road with lights, stop signs, yields, pedestrian cross signs and single car long driving leading to more green house emissions.
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More public transportation please , More metro links (to chesterfield and st charles and arnold), more dedicated bike 
corridors. No need to tear down any neighborhoods (look at the google maps, but may be some industrial property need to be teared down which could be easily relocated ) for the short elevated way from hanley to river des peres blvd. I was the one who proposed to tear down i44 from hampton to downtown as it goes right through the neighborhoods.
corridors. No need to tear down any neighborhoods (look at the google maps, but may be some industrial property need to be teared down which could be easily relocated ) for the short elevated way from hanley to river des peres blvd. I was the one who proposed to tear down i44 from hampton to downtown as it goes right through the neighborhoods.
Adding a 170 extension down to I-55 will just spur further development in suburbs/exurbs like Arnold, Barnhart, Pevely and Columbia IL.harstec888 wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022No need to tear down any neighborhoods (look at the google maps, but may be some industrial property need to be teared down which could be easily relocated ) for the short elevated way from hanley to river des peres blvd.
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Chicken and egg situation. So which evovled first? Short 4 lane elevated way doesn’t cause any harm. Could be even constructed on single pillar. Some highways parts on Illinois side and I44 could be teared down fron hampton to downtown could be teared down. No use. I-170 extension is not the solution. It will tear down neighborhoods. Single pillared 4 lane elevated parkway with 40mph speed is the solution with almost no exits. Pic is 8 lane on single pillar. So for 4 lane even less wider pillar is enough._nomad_ wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022Transit is languishing at the back of the line waiting for funding because the powers that be prioritize stroad and highway construction then act surprised that they end up with a less usable system. If we want a usable system (which we need) then we need to prioritize building it and stop using our procrastination as an excuse to build more highways.harstec888 wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022I agree that urban communities are ravaged by highways, but WHERE is the Public Transportation? WHERE is the metrolink to west county & south county & st charles? I have to wait , change trains and buses , it takes hours to use the current public transportation than like 20 mins in driving.imran wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022
American urban communities have been ravaged and decimated by highways. We have our own prime example downtown of an elevated highway that has rendered the area desolate.
If your diverse thought arises out of unawareness of history and past experience it will receive push back. As it should.
(I know you know this and were half-kidding. Just made me think about the sometimes fine line between freedom of expression and trolling)
I would be more than happy and (vote for them for life) if more metrolinks are constructed, amtraks to Louisville, Nashville, Indianapolis. But where are they? This country is designed for driving and highways are not being constructed and no public transportation progress. Result is chugging along 25 mph road with lights, stop signs, yields, pedestrian cross signs and single car long driving leading to more green house emissions.
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man, i love when people are like "THEY should totally build transit right to my doorstep even though i choose to live in a place where lack of density makes that completely, fiscally infeasible and also i'm not going to change my lifestyle at all until that completely unrealistic scenario is realized and in the meantime i'm also going to b*tch about how somebody should pay for me to be able to drive as fast as i want to the front door of wherever i want to go and those things totally aren't mutually exclusive no siree."
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Add all the time saved and fuel saved over years and traffic bottlenecks relieved of Shrewsbury roads and “neighborhoods”, that short elevated highway on single pillar of probably 2 mile length is worth it and will pay for itself. Okay everyone just put in more 3.8$/Gallon gas and wait at all left turn signals for 10 more mins in peaks hours. 
than just saving gas & time over years and relieving neighborhoods of traffic.
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Also, I'm really confused by the "40 mph speed is the solution with almost no exits". So this is an express lane only to fly over major parts of the county that supposedly need more access to a N-S major highway AND the speed limit on this super interstate is only 40? Setting aside the other major flaws in this idea, people would absolutely go 65+ if it was built to be a hot-wheels track with no exits for miles.
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I’m rooting the forest park PARKWAY model which is 40 mph elevated highway uninterrupted road in Clayton not the expressway kind of road.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022Also, I'm really confused by the "40 mph speed is the solution with almost no exits". So this is an express lane only to fly over major parts of the county that supposedly need more access to a N-S major highway AND the speed limit on this super interstate is only 40? Setting aside the other major flaws in this idea, people would absolutely go 65+ if it was built to be a hot-wheels track with no exits for miles.
Does people go 65+ on the 2 mile stretch of Clayton elevated parkway? (No Signals from i-170 to Pershing avenue on Forest parkway). It is almost essentially the same length from Hanley/Oxford to River des peres blvd.
Building an entire highway from i64 to river des peres blvd is useless as in my intial post but building from hanley to river des peres will be mostly useful
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And people FLY down FPP all the time, treating it like an interstate.
To bring this back up to your original point (I think), yes, it would be awesome if there was built out transportation infrastructure connecting South County to the rest of Metrolink. Unfortunately, that's a long term goal that has no immediate fixes. Adding more car oriented infrastructure will not make that happen any faster. If you really are passionate about trying to get more transportation infrastructure, the best next move is to reach out to your local and county representatives to express your ideas and concerns and try to organize your neighbors to do the same.
To bring this back up to your original point (I think), yes, it would be awesome if there was built out transportation infrastructure connecting South County to the rest of Metrolink. Unfortunately, that's a long term goal that has no immediate fixes. Adding more car oriented infrastructure will not make that happen any faster. If you really are passionate about trying to get more transportation infrastructure, the best next move is to reach out to your local and county representatives to express your ideas and concerns and try to organize your neighbors to do the same.
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Then metrolink has to be extended to i-55 if roads are not the future which is not happening.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022And people FLY down FPP all the time, treating it like an interstate.
To bring this back up to your original point (I think), yes, it would be awesome if there was built out transportation infrastructure connecting South County to the rest of Metrolink. Unfortunately, that's a long term goal that has no immediate fixes. Adding more car oriented infrastructure will not make that happen any faster. If you really are passionate about trying to get more transportation infrastructure, the best next move is to reach out to your local and county representatives to express your ideas and concerns and try to organize your neighbors to do the same.
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Yes, metrolink expansion should be what happens. But more roads should not be the alternative.
^ The good news is the South County Connector has already been throughly vetted and killed. Why all this is being rehashed here a full 8 years after this has been litigated is another question...
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Then construct metrolink. No metrolink to south county. So does all of south county people move to where the existing metro as suggested by some user (“ you have to move where metrolink is, metrolink doesn’t come to you”Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022Yes, metrolink expansion should be what happens. But more roads should not be the alternative.
) , (agreed farther places like chesterfield & st charles doesn’t need metro). I see metrolink progress (already being constructed) on Illinois side connecting to BLV airport which is great and makes that airport & Allegiant services more accessible to St. Louis.I’m all in for complete public transportation like NYC
No harm except for encouraging more car-only development, discouraging people from getting out of their cars, encouraging people to live in a less transit-accessible way, and diverting finite resources away from actually implementing any transit solutions further delaying or maybe cancelling projects and kicking the can further down the road.harstec888 wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022Chicken and egg situation. So which evovled first? Short 4 lane elevated way doesn’t cause any harm. Could be even constructed on single pillar. Some highways parts on Illinois side and I44 could be teared down fron hampton to downtown could be teared down. No use. I-170 extension is not the solution. It will tear down neighborhoods. Single pillared 4 lane elevated parkway with 40mph speed is the solution with almost no exits. Pic is 8 lane on single pillar. So for 4 lane even less wider pillar is enough._nomad_ wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022Transit is languishing at the back of the line waiting for funding because the powers that be prioritize stroad and highway construction then act surprised that they end up with a less usable system. If we want a usable system (which we need) then we need to prioritize building it and stop using our procrastination as an excuse to build more highways.harstec888 wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022
I agree that urban communities are ravaged by highways, but WHERE is the Public Transportation? WHERE is the metrolink to west county & south county & st charles? I have to wait , change trains and buses , it takes hours to use the current public transportation than like 20 mins in driving.
I would be more than happy and (vote for them for life) if more metrolinks are constructed, amtraks to Louisville, Nashville, Indianapolis. But where are they? This country is designed for driving and highways are not being constructed and no public transportation progress. Result is chugging along 25 mph road with lights, stop signs, yields, pedestrian cross signs and single car long driving leading to more green house emissions.
The only reason to build any new highway (or "expressway" or whatever you want to label a limited-access road) is to divert traffic so we can tear down more miles of urban highway that have been a blight on our city since they were built. Instead of copying the Clayton section of FPP, lets demo it and make it a surface street, it's an ugly dividing wall between downtown Clayton and the neighborhoods south of it. Urban freeways were a mistake in the first place, let's stop doubling down on them.
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I would love to see a more streamlined route of Carondelet, River Des Peres Blvd, Wabash, Wellington, Ellendale, etc. You could do this by building a new bridge over River Des Peres, rerouting the intersection of River Des Peres Blvd and Lansdowne so that it lines up with Wabash. This city really lacks a lot of connectivity between the north and south, and I feel like this little change could help. There would be one consistent road starting with Chain of Rocks Dr and ending at River City Casino Blvd.
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funded by the state of IL, which spends >500x more on public transit than MO. if you want more Metrolink on the MO side then talk to your MO representatives and tell them spend less on highways.harstec888 wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022Then construct metrolink.
I’m all in for complete public transportation like NYC
I see metrolink progress (already being constructed) on Illinois side connecting to BLV airport which is great and makes that airport & Allegiant services more accessible to St. Louis.
https://mopublictransit.org/2020/12/03/4542/
This is what you're thinking?Miss Shell wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022I would love to see a more streamlined route of Carondelet, River Des Peres Blvd, Wabash, Wellington, Ellendale, etc. You could do this by building a new bridge over River Des Peres, rerouting the intersection of River Des Peres Blvd and Lansdowne so that it lines up with Wabash. This city really lacks a lot of connectivity between the north and south, and I feel like this little change could help. There would be one consistent road starting with Chain of Rocks Dr and ending at River City Casino Blvd.
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Yep! Something like that, or whatever would work that wouldn't require knocking down any buildings.
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The move to drop a lane and reduce speed limits on Ellendale/Wabash south of Arsenal has also caused the McCausland route to be less efficient. A very nice walking and bike path was added, but I have never once seen anyone on it. I'm guessing the work was done more to make the BNSF facility more truck friendly by reducing turning radius. Now if you get behind a truck you can't pass.
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This is great, but won't be done unless the bridge on Lansdowne is defunct like the one on big bend/i44. But both sides of the river here is owned by St Louis City removing some political friction. But City has to first allocate funds to remove the Grand/FPP old intersection to newer same level intersection . Currently it is highly unsafe for pedestrians.dweebe wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022This is what you're thinking?Miss Shell wrote: ↑Apr 18, 2022I would love to see a more streamlined route of Carondelet, River Des Peres Blvd, Wabash, Wellington, Ellendale, etc. You could do this by building a new bridge over River Des Peres, rerouting the intersection of River Des Peres Blvd and Lansdowne so that it lines up with Wabash. This city really lacks a lot of connectivity between the north and south, and I feel like this little change could help. There would be one consistent road starting with Chain of Rocks Dr and ending at River City Casino Blvd.
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