I expect it'll be done in phases with infrastructure being the first. Likely single developer will handle itGoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2022Do you still expect Chouteau's Landing east of the highway to be developed all at once like the previous proposal? Or will it be incrementally done by several developers?
Everyone should hear something on Beale this Spring, but there's some variables that can change that. As for the masterplan, it will remain for internal usage, but I might share bits of it overtime.EssTeeEll wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2022^^ Chris, great job by you and all involved. This all will truly make a big impact on the area. Can't wait to hear more about this masterplan and also Beale. Do you have a timeline for any of those details? Keep it up!
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Is there a plan in place for the highway itself? On how to seamlessly carry vibrancy from one side of it to the other?
It seems like it would be a significant challenge for that area.
It seems like it would be a significant challenge for that area.
My whole vision for the area under the highway is to put in light installations that double as art pieces, and plant plants that thrive in the shade. But other than that, the options are limited. You can't build anything under there.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2022Is there a plan in place for the highway itself? On how to seamlessly carry vibrancy from one side of it to the other?
It seems like it would be a significant challenge for that area.
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^Thanks for keeping us updated on all this and thanks for helping to coordinate the many moving pieces and see to it that so much fabric was saved. Even if other folks deserve a great deal of credit too I do think you've played a real and quite laudable role in this. So . . . my thanks to everyone involved. This is exciting stuff.
I would also like to mention that the masterplan takes into consideration the "Pedestrian Experience" and the "Mixed-Use Development" surveys that I ran last year. So, the public previously engaged in the process a little bit and helped with the masterplan narrative. Now, it's taking those things and turning them into visuals that can be tweaked. I might seek more feedback when the time comes.
Select users of this forum will be asked to provide feedback on the masterplan as well. I already have the list and it was made based on user's commitment to Urbanism through their comments on here as well as social media profiles where users can be tracked to. There are 14 people on that list in addition to myself and Chouteau's Quarter area stakeholders. I wouldn't get City Government officials involved until the plan is refined and agreed upon by the stakeholders.
Select users of this forum will be asked to provide feedback on the masterplan as well. I already have the list and it was made based on user's commitment to Urbanism through their comments on here as well as social media profiles where users can be tracked to. There are 14 people on that list in addition to myself and Chouteau's Quarter area stakeholders. I wouldn't get City Government officials involved until the plan is refined and agreed upon by the stakeholders.
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Pickleball courts would be a good use of that space under the interstate
That's awesome. Granular clean up will really go a long way for the area.
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Have to agree - would be so awesome getting this area flipped.
If JDS were to stop dragging their feet on this and actually buy Chouteau's Landing instead of this constant under-contract/dropped contract fiasco, we'd be able to rock n' roll on 4th and Broadway. What happens at Chouteau's Landing determines the scope, and viability, for the stuff out front.
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They sure are beautiful buildings… also huge… here’s hoping someone can make it work with all of the demand flooding in right now.
Redeveloping the Crunden-Martin building, and investing in clean up+infrastructure back there, would naturally let this area fill in overtime. Going 100% at it like JDS is supposedly planning to do isn't the way to go. It's also likely that there is hesitancy to do anything due to the incentive debate at City Hall. This area classifies as the Central Corridor, but even though it's a huge blight and embarrassment, the belief is the City will demand far more than it'll give on this area. A terrible combination.pattimagee wrote: ↑Feb 23, 2022They sure are beautiful buildings… also huge… here’s hoping someone can make it work with all of the demand flooding in right now.
As of yesterday, demolition is well underway at 800 South 7th. Terry McDonald strikes again! It's highly unlikely nothing will ever be built here again due to do the easement from the train bridge, streets, and power lines. It was a one of a kind property.
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I don't understand why the city does NOTHING to stop people like Terry McDonald.
I also don't understand why Terry McDonald wants to invest in the downtown area. For parking gains?
Parking garages are one thing; surface parking lots created by deliberately negligent owners is another.
I think there should be an exorbitant surface lot tax for any parking profits. Like 50%.
He should also be fined for failing to maintain his property.
I also don't understand why Terry McDonald wants to invest in the downtown area. For parking gains?
Parking garages are one thing; surface parking lots created by deliberately negligent owners is another.
I think there should be an exorbitant surface lot tax for any parking profits. Like 50%.
He should also be fined for failing to maintain his property.
Didn't appear to be any structural issues with this building. Don't understand why demolition would have been approved. Or was it?chriss752 wrote: ↑Mar 16, 2022As of yesterday, demolition is well underway at 800 South 7th. Terry McDonald strikes again! It's highly unlikely nothing will ever be built here again due to do the easement from the train bridge, streets, and power lines. It was a one of a kind property.
"It's highly unlikely nothing will ever be built here again due to do the easement from the train bridge, streets, and power lines."
That was my first thought when I heard this was coming down. If more convenient spaces aren't being developed, no chance this ever does. I hope the 5 extra parking spaces were worth it.
That was my first thought when I heard this was coming down. If more convenient spaces aren't being developed, no chance this ever does. I hope the 5 extra parking spaces were worth it.
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The five extra parking questions are without a doubt worth it to Terry McDonald.
The guy doesn't care about the urban environment of downtown St. Louis because he's sitting on some prime real estate. Give it ten years - maybe even just five years - and I expect he will cash out on all of these lots for millions.
I wish the city could seize his properties.
The guy doesn't care about the urban environment of downtown St. Louis because he's sitting on some prime real estate. Give it ten years - maybe even just five years - and I expect he will cash out on all of these lots for millions.
I wish the city could seize his properties.
It's Terry McDonald. Whether a building is sound or not is not his concern.STLinCHI wrote: ↑Mar 16, 2022Didn't appear to be any structural issues with this building. Don't understand why demolition would have been approved. Or was it?chriss752 wrote: ↑Mar 16, 2022As of yesterday, demolition is well underway at 800 South 7th. Terry McDonald strikes again! It's highly unlikely nothing will ever be built here again due to do the easement from the train bridge, streets, and power lines. It was a one of a kind property.
All of his properties are for sale currently including the Meineke on 4th Street, 800 South 4th Street, and 800 South 7th (under demolition). The man wants insane amounts of money for his properties, but the only one able to be built on is 800 South 4th. That one doesn't have the easement issues that the other properties have.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Mar 16, 2022The five extra parking questions are without a doubt worth it to Terry McDonald.
The guy doesn't care about the urban environment of downtown St. Louis because he's sitting on some prime real estate. Give it ten years - maybe even just five years - and I expect he will cash out on all of these lots for millions.
I wish the city could seize his properties.
So essentially, all surrounding properties will need to be built up first in order to get the demand anywhere near what he's asking. Seems like a great situation.
I imagine because it's not in a preservation review district, correct?STLinCHI wrote: ↑Mar 16, 2022Didn't appear to be any structural issues with this building. Don't understand why demolition would have been approved. Or was it?chriss752 wrote: ↑Mar 16, 2022As of yesterday, demolition is well underway at 800 South 7th. Terry McDonald strikes again! It's highly unlikely nothing will ever be built here again due to do the easement from the train bridge, streets, and power lines. It was a one of a kind property.
From Coatar:
"On another note, im not sure what I can do to reverse the incentive for Terry Macdonald to sit on his land. But, if he wants to operate those lots as surface parking lots he’s going to have to spend some $$. I’ve introduced and plan on passing BB 122 which requires surface parking lot owners to fence or hard scape the perimeter of their lots, provide certain signage, lighting and have security plans reviewed and approved by SLMPD and the building division. "
Petty and I'm sure, toothless, but there ya have it..
This is awesome. What kind of music will they be hosting? Blues and Jazz to fit the theme of the other bars there? Or something else to stick out? Touring bands? locals? Hopefully not just cover bands to appeal to the bros downtown for post-baseball game stuff...chriss752 wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2022"The Garage" will be the name of the music venue at the Graffiti Garage and neighboring biergarten. The Game 6 Brothers will be the operators.
Instagram profile: https://www.instagram.com/thegaragestl/
Also, ownership of the Beale on Broadway changed. Can't wait to share what's going to happen there!
Lastly, I have tapped a KC Architecture firm to envision a masterplan for "Chouteau's Quarter". It'll lay out what several stakeholders hope the area ends up looking like within a decade with or without Chouteau's Landing happening, I'm moving full steam ahead on the grander district. Right now, the master plan will focus on massing and exact numbers rather than actual design.
Primarily country music. It should fit well with their brand. Other types of music will be there as well but expect mostly country at the Garage and Honky Tonk. Expect Blues and Jazz at Broadway Oyster Bar, BB's and Beale.jeff707 wrote: ↑Mar 21, 2022This is awesome. What kind of music will they be hosting? Blues and Jazz to fit the theme of the other bars there? Or something else to stick out? Touring bands? locals? Hopefully not just cover bands to appeal to the bros downtown for post-baseball game stuff...chriss752 wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2022"The Garage" will be the name of the music venue at the Graffiti Garage and neighboring biergarten. The Game 6 Brothers will be the operators.
Instagram profile: https://www.instagram.com/thegaragestl/
Also, ownership of the Beale on Broadway changed. Can't wait to share what's going to happen there!
Lastly, I have tapped a KC Architecture firm to envision a masterplan for "Chouteau's Quarter". It'll lay out what several stakeholders hope the area ends up looking like within a decade with or without Chouteau's Landing happening, I'm moving full steam ahead on the grander district. Right now, the master plan will focus on massing and exact numbers rather than actual design.