Definitely takes away from Chase, but damn does it look badass. Practically, STL just isn't quite there yet, but maybe soon.pdm_ad wrote:I know a lot of posters were wishing for something taller and I was curious how a 500ish foot tower would impact the skyline so I took about 3 minutes (and it shows!) to mash up a taller rendition. Dang, I think it looks great. Wish they had the $ to stretch it out a bit.
That and a rebuild of the Montclair on the Park site are probably the last two lots along Kingshighway at Forest Park that could get high rises. Could the park at Clayton/Kingshighway ever be developed?Suds wrote:Anybody ever see a future where something noteworthy is built on the Straub's parking lot?
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dbInSouthCity wrote:^ that’s true, which is why I cannot wait to go BBQ at the city park at the SE corner of the stadium.
Getting off topic a bit, but was there even a park bench at Aloe Plaza West previously? Is Montclair in jeopardy of closing? Or just that you don't like that building?CG91 wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022That and a rebuild of the Montclair on the Park site are probably the last two lots along Kingshighway at Forest Park that could get high rises.
I was also wondering what the dislike is for?
I lived there from '05-'08 and enjoyed it - jealous that the seem to have refreshed it since I moved out. Generally a mix of WashU/Med students and older folks. Personally, I think the location is perfect. 2ish blocks to the metro, across the street from the park, 2 blocks to Straubs (and now WF), tons of restaurants, 2 blocks to a movie theater.dweebe wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022I was also wondering what the dislike is for?
I knew someone that lived there and it always seemed like a busy building.
It's all of the A/C units hanging out of all the units that kills it for me. And if it's too cost prohibitive to retrofit the units with central air then I'd think a tear down would be well worth it for this high profile corner.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022I dated someone who lived there probably 8ish years ago and it was in rough shape inside. Not sure if they have done any upgrades since then.
Let's fill the empty lots first.FrankRider wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022It's all of the A/C units hanging out of all the units that kills it for me. And if it's too cost prohibitive to retrofit the units with central air then I'd think a tear down would be well worth it for this high profile corner.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022I dated someone who lived there probably 8ish years ago and it was in rough shape inside. Not sure if they have done any upgrades since then.dweebe wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022I was also wondering what the dislike is for?
I knew someone that lived there and it always seemed like a busy building.
This is an insane take lol like almost all of the historic apartment buildings in the Central West End have window unit A/C.FrankRider wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022It's all of the A/C units hanging out of all the units that kills it for me. And if it's too cost prohibitive to retrofit the units with central air then I'd think a tear down would be well worth it for this high profile corner.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022I dated someone who lived there probably 8ish years ago and it was in rough shape inside. Not sure if they have done any upgrades since then.dweebe wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022I was also wondering what the dislike is for?
I knew someone that lived there and it always seemed like a busy building.
Interesting. I always thought of the Montclair/ABC Condos/Parc Frontenac stretch of Kingshighway as STL's version of the Upper West Side.FrankRider wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022It's all of the A/C units hanging out of all the units that kills it for me. And if it's too cost prohibitive to retrofit the units with central air then I'd think a tear down would be well worth it for this high profile corner.
It's all pie in the sky. As true as that may be, my only reason for this particular building is the fact that it is on such a prominent corner and there are no other lots fronting the park left to develop. Otherwise it'd be fine anywhere else in the CWE in my view.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022This is an insane take lol like almost all of the historic apartment buildings in the Central West End have window unit A/C.FrankRider wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022It's all of the A/C units hanging out of all the units that kills it for me. And if it's too cost prohibitive to retrofit the units with central air then I'd think a tear down would be well worth it for this high profile corner.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022
I dated someone who lived there probably 8ish years ago and it was in rough shape inside. Not sure if they have done any upgrades since then.
Other than the Montclair's parking lots, I don't get the hate for the building. Nice massing, unique local example (along with its twin the Parc Frontenac) of 1950s high-rise architecture.
I like the Montclair building, I do think it'd be nice to build on the surface lots either side of it though (not anything that would dominate the Montclair itself though). I don't know if those spots are solely for residents, but maybe they could build parking into the podium of a future building.FrankRider wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022It's all pie in the sky. As true as that may be, my only reason for this particular building is the fact that it is on such a prominent corner and there are no other lots fronting the park left to develop. Otherwise it'd be fine anywhere else in the CWE in my view.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022This is an insane take lol like almost all of the historic apartment buildings in the Central West End have window unit A/C.FrankRider wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022It's all of the A/C units hanging out of all the units that kills it for me. And if it's too cost prohibitive to retrofit the units with central air then I'd think a tear down would be well worth it for this high profile corner.
Other than the Montclair's parking lots, I don't get the hate for the building. Nice massing, unique local example (along with its twin the Parc Frontenac) of 1950s high-rise architecture.
There's some residential parking under the building & the lot on the north side is (was) for residents, as well. 15 years ago, the south lot was more for patients of some clinic that was on the first floor. There's the parking garage just down Laclede that would probably have capacity for the 40(?) spots if something were to go on the northern lot. I'd think the 2 main issues with building on that lot would be (1) blocking the northern views of the park for Montclair residents and (2) the garage that's below the lot that would need to be dealt with._nomad_ wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022I like the Montclair building, I do think it'd be nice to build on the surface lots either side of it though (not anything that would dominate the Montclair itself though). I don't know if those spots are solely for residents, but maybe they could build parking into the podium of a future building.FrankRider wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022It's all pie in the sky. As true as that may be, my only reason for this particular building is the fact that it is on such a prominent corner and there are no other lots fronting the park left to develop. Otherwise it'd be fine anywhere else in the CWE in my view.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022This is an insane take lol like almost all of the historic apartment buildings in the Central West End have window unit A/C.
Other than the Montclair's parking lots, I don't get the hate for the building. Nice massing, unique local example (along with its twin the Parc Frontenac) of 1950s high-rise architecture.
Yeah, without parking I was envisioning just a 1-3 story building (maybe just build a parking deck on the roof?), basically something to make the street-level experience more pleasant, not any major or signature structure.Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022There's some residential parking under the building & the lot on the north side is (was) for residents, as well. 15 years ago, the south lot was more for patients of some clinic that was on the first floor. There's the parking garage just down Laclede that would probably have capacity for the 40(?) spots if something were to go on the northern lot. I'd think the 2 main issues with building on that lot would be (1) blocking the northern views of the park for Montclair residents and (2) the garage that's below the lot that would need to be dealt with._nomad_ wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022I like the Montclair building, I do think it'd be nice to build on the surface lots either side of it though (not anything that would dominate the Montclair itself though). I don't know if those spots are solely for residents, but maybe they could build parking into the podium of a future building.FrankRider wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022It's all pie in the sky. As true as that may be, my only reason for this particular building is the fact that it is on such a prominent corner and there are no other lots fronting the park left to develop. Otherwise it'd be fine anywhere else in the CWE in my view.
MAC Properties completely renovated the inside. It's very nice now, but way too expensive.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 09, 2022I dated someone who lived there probably 8ish years ago and it was in rough shape inside. Not sure if they have done any upgrades since then.
