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^Yes sorry to cause a fuss. I was more talking about the empty lots on both sides of the building. I don’t know much about Montclair itself, but it sounds like it’s nice enough to have some longevity. The building probably should’ve been built to cover the entire lot when it was constructed, but now they should probably at least build something on the empty lots. Even just a two floor mixed use building would do the trick. I just don’t like the look of empty lots next to Forest Park


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I've always thought of the Montclair as something of a dowager countess. 

^ Anyone going to attend in person? I am going to try and join virtually.

I look forward to hearing more details and seeing additional renderings.

I like the outdoor areas alot. Good to see there will be some retail too. That parking garage needs to change, though.

I know it won't happen, but it would be really if the second balcony was a wrap-around restaurant/bar. Something like that right on Forest Park would be incredible.

imran wrote: ↑

Mar 23, 2022

Suds wrote: ↑

Mar 23, 2022

I like the outdoor areas alot. Good to see there will be some retail too. That parking garage needs to change, though.

I know it won't happen, but it would be really if the second balcony was a wrap-around restaurant/bar. Something like that right on Forest Park would be incredible.

Can you point out regarding the retail portion? I can’t seem to locate it in the renderings….

Retail will be a coffee shop. The entire lobby (10,000sf) will be open to the public during set business hours. People can user the lobby as a meeting place, coffee shop, or use the wifi. I was there, so I can talk a little bit about it what I thought was the most significant. 

A couple people brought up it not meeting the set back on Lindell that the historic ordinance calls for. I think it could be good thing for it to be close to Lindell to help calm traffic.
Meanwhile on Kingshighway it's not supposed to have a setback. I think it's the FBC that calls for that.

^I'm liking it. Sure, the garage could stand to be spruced up a bit. And a restaurant with a balcony overlooking Forest Park would be absolutely the bomb. But all in all I think it's pretty great.

It would be cool to have a rooftop bar/resturant that is open to the public. But I am always wanting more rooftop bars. 

Looks to me like this one's gonna have much finer finishes and detailing than One Hundred. Look at the fenestration just above the lobby level.

I don’t know if this project will move forward or not but sh*t arguments like this to finesse tax abatement sure don’t help. (There are much more effective arguments but I charge for that)  

Full size renderings...

Clear site plan...

• Andrew Yule, of Albion residential, talked about how this site was chosen. He mentioned how his team originally looked at Clayton before landing on this property and felt like it was a perfect fit.

Ah, leveraging city vs county again for incentives.  Love to see it.

I think this is a quality project.  I do not want to see this 95% abated or whatever.  Maybe 50%/10 years.

At any rate, the land use productivity of a 30 story building to the tax rolls versus a surface lot should be weighed.  That and added feet on the streets.  But how much are the lease rates going to be?

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Mar 23, 2022

• Andrew Yule, of Albion residential, talked about how this site was chosen. He mentioned how his team originally looked at Clayton before landing on this property and felt like it was a perfect fit.

Ah, leveraging city vs county again for incentives.  Love to see it.

I think this is a quality project.  I do not want to see this 95% abated or whatever.  Maybe 50%/10 years.

At any rate, the land use productivity of a 30 story building to the tax rolls versus a surface lot should be weighed.  That and added feet on the streets.  But how much are the lease rates going to be?

Rent rates weren’t mentioned, but I imagine they’ll meet what 100 gets easily. The development team mentioned multiple times that this will end up being a better product than 100 at the end of the day.

I would love to see a rendering from the same angle as the rendering of 100 when it was proposed, all three beautiful buildings lined up along Kingshighway will be quite a scene!

^ Yes, they referenced 100 in a not so positive light on several occasions including a lack of connection to the street, sharp and angular (cold) design, inefficient execution during construction phase and poor choice of material (metal panels particularly).

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Mar 23, 2022

• Andrew Yule, of Albion residential, talked about how this site was chosen. He mentioned how his team originally looked at Clayton before landing on this property and felt like it was a perfect fit.

Ah, leveraging city vs county again for incentives.  Love to see it.

I think this is a quality project.  I do not want to see this 95% abated or whatever.  Maybe 50%/10 years.

At any rate, the land use productivity of a 30 story building to the tax rolls versus a surface lot should be weighed.  That and added feet on the streets.  But how much are the lease rates going to be?

I didn't hear it that way. I heard " We came to St. Louis to check on a possibility in Clayton, but it was lame. We took a drive around, saw One Hundred, the parking lot, and found the perfect location for us."

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Mar 23, 2022

Full size renderings...
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Clear site plan...
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The more I see and read about this project the more I like it.  Beautiful building, these angles showcase it better than the initial release.

Hopeful for that retail to get added but I love the plan for the plaza, local artwork and space for musicians is a great idea.

Possible to use the alley for the garage entrance? Or is it an issue with too much traffic for the alley to support, turning onto higher-traffic Kingshighway, or lack of left turn given the median on Kingshighway?