Daz Properties LLC has acquired the Lux Living buildings acquired from Drury on Oakland and Arco. They've also got 4567 and 4571 Arco.
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Another vacancy filled in the western end of the Grove. This application is for the old Monocle space
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Hoping it's a LGBTQIA owned drag venue again. The Grove needs to regain it's gay reputation with major losses of Novak's , Attitudes and JJ's ( and others that didn't last long: Honey, R Bar, etc.)
Update: It's Gay! - Facebook search of Prism STL brings up a page that says "St. Louis's newest LGBTQ+ hot spot, offering spacious patio, comfy lounge and action packed cabaret"
Could the folks at Prismatic Events be behind it? They've been putting on great shows at Trops lately.
Could the folks at Prismatic Events be behind it? They've been putting on great shows at Trops lately.
- The weather was nice last Saturday and Platypus looked to be damn busy.
- Serendipity going from Webster Groves to The Grove is an interesting flex.
Sweet!rheights wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2021Update: It's Gay! - Facebook search of Prism STL brings up a page that says "St. Louis's newest LGBTQ+ hot spot, offering spacious patio, comfy lounge and action packed cabaret"
Could the folks at Prismatic Events be behind it? They've been putting on great shows at Trops lately.
I thought rBar (early-mid 2000's) and it was a "straight" place?rheights wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2021Hoping it's a LGBTQIA owned drag venue again. The Grove needs to regain it's gay reputation with major losses of Novak's , Attitudes and JJ's ( and others that didn't last long: Honey, R Bar, etc.)
The current Parlor spot used to be a gay bar. "Grandma's Rainbow" or something like that?
Three permit applications submitted for new homes at 4212 $350k, 4214 $340k, and 4216 $350k Norfolk.
The Board of Adjustment approved four variances for the Narwhal's at Vandeventer and Chouteau. Space Architects said on Instagram that construction will commence this spring.
Looks like 4440 is wrapping up exterior construction, basically just waiting on balconies to be installed. The black brick on the ground floor is an improvement over 4400 Manchester. But of all the odd design choices here the white exterior balcony doors are really unfortunate. They should have stuck with black for those.
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I'm sure the balconies might hide the white doors a little. But that is an unfortunate looking building. At first glance, I thought the green was still unfinished material...
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When I saw the white doors I thought they might be temporary due to a supply chain problem. That is unfortunate if they are going to stay.
It looks as though their contractor couldn't get black doors due to supply chain issues, so went to Home Depot and bought these.Black02AltimaSE wrote: ↑Feb 08, 2022When I saw the white doors I thought they might be temporary due to a supply chain problem. That is unfortunate if they are going to stay.
It's like the architects had a meeting and concluded "let's make the most hideous building we can". Looks like they were successful.
Honestly, with the different colored panels. It would have looked better if they would have made the brown parts of the building black. I just do not understand this design at all and how the hell does the preservation board approve this but denies better looking buildings in other parts of the city? Really weird.
Honestly, with the different colored panels. It would have looked better if they would have made the brown parts of the building black. I just do not understand this design at all and how the hell does the preservation board approve this but denies better looking buildings in other parts of the city? Really weird.
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Aren't the regs are different in every dang neighborhood. I don't think there's a single citywide preservation code. So the board goes by the specific district regulations, and I'm guessing the Grove's are much more permissive, since it's a lot newer. (As a district, that is.)goat314 wrote: ↑Feb 08, 2022It's like the architects had a meeting and concluded "let's make the most hideous building we can". Looks like they were successful.
Honestly, with the different colored panels. It would have looked better if they would have made the brown parts of the building black. I just do not understand this design at all and how the hell does the preservation board approve this but denies better looking buildings in other parts of the city? Really weird.
FPSE doesn't have a local historic district and thus no ordinance covering new construction. It does have a National Register of Historic Places designation for a good part of it which gives eligibility for federal and state HTCs. And a demolition in FPSE goes to CRO and possibly before the Preservation board because all of it is within a preservation review area.
Maybe it's okay to have parts of the Central Corridor that are just a complete free-for-all of development. Few would design 4440 Manchester the way it's turning out, but maybe there needs to be an outlet/counterweight to the obstruction/NIMBYism in other pockets. Basically a laboratory of development.
The form-based code stipulates building materials, build-to line, height, etc., but not style, details, etc. I am fine with given people flexibility, and I think a code regulating what color doors new construction should have would be a bit far for me. I like Soulard and Benton Park as much as the next guy, but I think their codes regarding infill are overly strict. Certainly the Narwhal's building would not fly.
You get some...odd...decisions made with a more permissive design code, but hopefully ultimately more diversity, experimentation, openness to new forms, etc. The facade is also probably pretty easy to change in 20 years when the next owners want to do a refresh anyway, seems like the whole thing could be peeled off and replaced with whatever the style is at the time.
You get some...odd...decisions made with a more permissive design code, but hopefully ultimately more diversity, experimentation, openness to new forms, etc. The facade is also probably pretty easy to change in 20 years when the next owners want to do a refresh anyway, seems like the whole thing could be peeled off and replaced with whatever the style is at the time.