Definitely not the state. My guess is the Port Authority since Fitch mentioned it in his now deleted tweet.soulardx wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Really excited about this direct flight, especially for the "second tier" element that kipfilet mentioned.
One thing I'm curious about - the exact amount and length of the subsidy. Cities our size (PIT, CIN, IND) don't get direct Euro service without rather large subsidies to the airline. Which regional entities are supply the $$ here. (I just can't imagine Gov Hee Haw throwing any money at this. Dude hates STL.)
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Per the BJ. The flights got a $2.5 million pledge from the business community.
^ Yep:
Some of St. Louis' largest corporations collectively committed to invest $2.5 million over two years to attract the flight, according to a spokesman for Greater St. Louis Inc., the regional economic development agency that also contributed money. Businesses that committed funding include Centene Corp., Emerson Electric, Enterprise Holdings, Hermann Companies, Hunter Engineering, Nestle Purina PetCare and the William T. Kemper Foundation.
Lufthansa will operate the flight, utilizing a 255-seat Airbus A330, three times a week, officials said. Tickets, with options for business, premium economy and economy, were to go on sale Tuesday. The flight likely will leave from Terminal 1, though airport officials said those details will be finalized next year.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... aCzUyimtOgAnother key to landing Lufthansa has been St. Louis' growing business connections with Germany, Hamm-Niebruegge said. In 2017, for example, an average of 48 people traveled each day from St. Louis to Germany, a number that grew to 61 in 2019, the airport said.
St. Louis houses a research center for KWS, a German seed producer, and significant operations of MilliporeSigma, the life science business of Germany's Merck KGaA.
But most significant may be the decision of Germany-based Bayer to keep its North American crop science headquarters in St. Louis following its $63 billion purchase of St. Louis-based Monsanto Co. in 2018.
A press release from Greater St. Louis quoted a Bayer executive, COO of crop science Rodrigo Santos, as saying that the restoration of nonstop international air service "helps St. Louis solidify our status as a truly global center of innovation and commerce. We're excited to more easily connect with people around the world, especially our Bayer colleagues traveling to and from Europe," Santos said.
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Abuja, Addis Ababa, Agadir, Alicante, Algiers, Almaty, Amman–Queen Alia, Amsterdam, Athens, Bahrain, Baku, Bangalore, Bangkok–Suvarnabhumi, Barcelona, Bari, Basel/Mulhouse, Beijing Capital, Beirut, Belgrade, Bergen, Berlin, Bilbao, Billund, Birmingham, Bologna, Bordeaux, Bremen, Bristol, Brussels, Bucharest, Budapest, Bydgoszcz, Cairo, Cape Town, Catania, Chennai, Chișinău, Cluj-Napoca, Copenhagen, Dammam, Delhi, Dresden, Dubai, Dublin, Düsseldorf, Edinburgh, Erbil, Faro, Friedrichshafen, Funchal, Gdańsk, Geneva, Genoa, Glasgow, Gothenburg, Graz, Hamburg, Hanover, Helsinki, Hong Kong, Iași, Istanbul, Jakarta–Soekarno-Hatta, Johannesburg–O. R. Tambo, Katowice, Kraków, Kuwait City, Kyiv–Boryspil, Lagos, Larnaca, Linz, Lisbon, Liverpool, Ljubljana, London–City, London–Heathrow, Luanda, Luxembourg, Lviv, Lyon, Madrid, Malabo, Málaga, Malé, Malta, Manchester, Marseille, Milan–Linate, Milan–Malpensa, Mombasa, Moscow–Domodedovo, Mumbai, Munich, Münster/Osnabrück, Nairobi–Jomo Kenyatta, Nagoya–Centrair, Nanjing, Nantes, Naples, Newcastle upon Tyne, Nice, Nuremberg, Nur-Sultan, Oslo, Palermo, Palma de Mallorca, Pamplona, Paris–Charles de Gaulle, Port Harcourt, Porto, Poznań, Prague, Qingdao, Rennes, Reykjavík–Keflavík, Riga, Riyadh, Rome–Fiumicino, Rzeszów, Saint Petersburg, Salzburg, Sarajevo, Seoul–Incheon, Seville, Shanghai–Pudong, Shenyang, Singapore, Sofia, Stockholm–Arlanda, Stuttgart, Sylt, Tallinn, Tehran–Imam Khomeini, Tel Aviv, Thessaloniki, Timișoara, Tirana, Tokyo–Haneda, Toulouse, Trieste, Tunis, Turin, Valencia, Venice, Vienna, Vilnius, Warsaw–Chopin, Windhoek–Hosea Kutako, Wrocław, Yerevan, Zagreb, Zanzibar, ZürichRuskiSTL wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Also places east like Bangkok, Singapore, etc. And many cities (like Moscow), you have technically 1 stop through NYC but you have either an airport change or really inconvenient layovers / very few choices. Frankfurt gives you a lot more possibilities on those.kipfilet wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Essentially every single medium sized city in Europe is now 1-stop. Major cities were already non-stop via EWR/JFK, but this opens up a lot of "second-tier" cities that did not have super easy access from the US (think places that only have direct seasonal flights like Lyon, Naples, Athens, Oporto, etc.)
Would be really interesting to see a breakdown or even overview of some of the new possibilities
Seasonal: Bastia, Cagliari, Casablanca, Dubrovnik, Eilat, Heraklion, Heringsdorf, Ibiza, Ivalo, Kos, Kuusamo, Menorca, Mykonos, Olbia, Paphos, Ponta Delgada, Pula, Rijeka, Rhodes, Santorini, Split, Tivat, Tromsø, Zadar
One stop to Sarajevo.Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Abuja, Addis Ababa, Agadir, Alicante, Algiers, Almaty, Amman–Queen Alia, Amsterdam, Athens, Bahrain, Baku, Bangalore, Bangkok–Suvarnabhumi, Barcelona, Bari, Basel/Mulhouse, Beijing Capital, Beirut, Belgrade, Bergen, Berlin, Bilbao, Billund, Birmingham, Bologna, Bordeaux, Bremen, Bristol, Brussels, Bucharest, Budapest, Bydgoszcz, Cairo, Cape Town, Catania, Chennai, Chișinău, Cluj-Napoca, Copenhagen, Dammam, Delhi, Dresden, Dubai, Dublin, Düsseldorf, Edinburgh, Erbil, Faro, Friedrichshafen, Funchal, Gdańsk, Geneva, Genoa, Glasgow, Gothenburg, Graz, Hamburg, Hanover, Helsinki, Hong Kong, Iași, Istanbul, Jakarta–Soekarno-Hatta, Johannesburg–O. R. Tambo, Katowice, Kraków, Kuwait City, Kyiv–Boryspil, Lagos, Larnaca, Linz, Lisbon, Liverpool, Ljubljana, London–City, London–Heathrow, Luanda, Luxembourg, Lviv, Lyon, Madrid, Malabo, Málaga, Malé, Malta, Manchester, Marseille, Milan–Linate, Milan–Malpensa, Mombasa, Moscow–Domodedovo, Mumbai, Munich, Münster/Osnabrück, Nairobi–Jomo Kenyatta, Nagoya–Centrair, Nanjing, Nantes, Naples, Newcastle upon Tyne, Nice, Nuremberg, Nur-Sultan, Oslo, Palermo, Palma de Mallorca, Pamplona, Paris–Charles de Gaulle, Port Harcourt, Porto, Poznań, Prague, Qingdao, Rennes, Reykjavík–Keflavík, Riga, Riyadh, Rome–Fiumicino, Rzeszów, Saint Petersburg, Salzburg, Sarajevo, Seoul–Incheon, Seville, Shanghai–Pudong, Shenyang, Singapore, Sofia, Stockholm–Arlanda, Stuttgart, Sylt, Tallinn, Tehran–Imam Khomeini, Tel Aviv, Thessaloniki, Timișoara, Tirana, Tokyo–Haneda, Toulouse, Trieste, Tunis, Turin, Valencia, Venice, Vienna, Vilnius, Warsaw–Chopin, Windhoek–Hosea Kutako, Wrocław, Yerevan, Zagreb, Zanzibar, ZürichRuskiSTL wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Also places east like Bangkok, Singapore, etc. And many cities (like Moscow), you have technically 1 stop through NYC but you have either an airport change or really inconvenient layovers / very few choices. Frankfurt gives you a lot more possibilities on those.kipfilet wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Essentially every single medium sized city in Europe is now 1-stop. Major cities were already non-stop via EWR/JFK, but this opens up a lot of "second-tier" cities that did not have super easy access from the US (think places that only have direct seasonal flights like Lyon, Naples, Athens, Oporto, etc.)
Would be really interesting to see a breakdown or even overview of some of the new possibilities
Seasonal: Bastia, Cagliari, Casablanca, Dubrovnik, Eilat, Heraklion, Heringsdorf, Ibiza, Ivalo, Kos, Kuusamo, Menorca, Mykonos, Olbia, Paphos, Ponta Delgada, Pula, Rijeka, Rhodes, Santorini, Split, Tivat, Tromsø, Zadar
so, over two years, $2.5 million from "the business community" and $2.5 million, over two years, from the St. Louis County Port Authority to market the flights. Then the airport is waiving landing fees to the tune of $350,000/year.moorlander wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Per the BJ. The flights got a $2.5 million pledge from the business community.
Big picture, $2.85 million/year seems about right for a subsidy for a city the size of STL. In fact, seems on the lower end. The subsidy specifics are always opaque so hard to know, but I believe that IND is giving closer to $5 million/year for their Euro flights.
Well done, all.
I think IND was $5.5 million for 2 years of a minimum 3x weekly service year round.soulardx wrote:so, over two years, $2.5 million from "the business community" and $2.5 million, over two years, from the St. Louis County Port Authority to market the flights. Then the airport is waiving landing fees to the tune of $350,000/year.moorlander wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Per the BJ. The flights got a $2.5 million pledge from the business community.
Big picture, $2.85 million/year seems about right for a subsidy for a city the size of STL. In fact, seems on the lower end. The subsidy specifics are always opaque so hard to know, but I believe that IND is giving closer to $5 million/year for their Euro flights.
Well done, all.
This isn't a trick question or me trying to prove you wrong.... but can you read these stories and tell me the annual subsidy the Indy to Paris flights got? It's so f#ckig opaque. Do note the STATE $$ for Indy. Again, zero chance Missouri the state would throw any $$ to help STL.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021I think IND was $5.5 million for 2 years of a minimum 3x weekly service year round.soulardx wrote:so, over two years, $2.5 million from "the business community" and $2.5 million, over two years, from the St. Louis County Port Authority to market the flights. Then the airport is waiving landing fees to the tune of $350,000/year.moorlander wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Per the BJ. The flights got a $2.5 million pledge from the business community.
Big picture, $2.85 million/year seems about right for a subsidy for a city the size of STL. In fact, seems on the lower end. The subsidy specifics are always opaque so hard to know, but I believe that IND is giving closer to $5 million/year for their Euro flights.
Well done, all.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/68571-term ... ndy-market
https://crankyflier.com/2018/05/01/the- ... ianapolis/
https://liveandletsfly.com/delta-indian ... is-flight/
https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/a ... ris-flight
I read somewhere else that Indy paid about $12,000 per RT vs STL paying about $17,000 RT assuming no frequency increase down the road.soulardx wrote:This isn't a trick question or me trying to prove you wrong.... but can you read these stories and tell me the annual subsidy the Indy to Paris flights got? It's so f#ckig opaque.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021I think IND was $5.5 million for 2 years of a minimum 3x weekly service year round.soulardx wrote: so, over two years, $2.5 million from "the business community" and $2.5 million, over two years, from the St. Louis County Port Authority to market the flights. Then the airport is waiving landing fees to the tune of $350,000/year.
Big picture, $2.85 million/year seems about right for a subsidy for a city the size of STL. In fact, seems on the lower end. The subsidy specifics are always opaque so hard to know, but I believe that IND is giving closer to $5 million/year for their Euro flights.
Well done, all.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/68571-term ... ndy-market
https://crankyflier.com/2018/05/01/the- ... ianapolis/
https://liveandletsfly.com/delta-indian ... is-flight/
https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/a ... ris-flight
I am no expert just trying to find info from different articles. STL is paying what I would ballpark expect in a post-covid world. I think 3x weekly is also subject to change based on how quickly we open back up.
Got it. Now, what does RT mean?I read somewhere else that Indy paid about $12,000 per RT vs STL paying about $17,000 RT assuming no frequency increase down the road.
I am no expert just trying to find info from different articles. STL is paying what I would ballpark expect in a post-covid world. I think 3x weekly is also subject to change based on how quickly we open back up.
Got it. Now, what does RT mean?[/quote]soulardx wrote:I read somewhere else that Indy paid about $12,000 per RT vs STL paying about $17,000 RT assuming no frequency increase down the road.
I am no expert just trying to find info from different articles. STL is paying what I would ballpark expect in a post-covid world. I think 3x weekly is also subject to change based on how quickly we open back up.
Subsidy Per roundtrip flown by the airline.
[quote="ldai_phs" post_id="353238" time="1639514572"][quote="soulardx"]I read somewhere else that Indy paid about $12,000 per RT vs STL paying about $17,000 RT assuming no frequency increase down the road.
I am no expert just trying to find info from different articles. STL is paying what I would ballpark expect in a post-covid world. I think 3x weekly is also subject to change based on how quickly we open back up.[/quote]
Got it. Now, what does RT mean?[/quote]
Subsidy Per roundtrip flown by the airline.[/quote]
Thank you!
I am no expert just trying to find info from different articles. STL is paying what I would ballpark expect in a post-covid world. I think 3x weekly is also subject to change based on how quickly we open back up.[/quote]
Got it. Now, what does RT mean?[/quote]
Subsidy Per roundtrip flown by the airline.[/quote]
Thank you!
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Sure. Andy Taylor and Jason Hall are smitten over Mayor Jones and the new direction she’s taken the City and everything posted over the last 24 hours is true.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Can anyone summarize the press conference??
After a quick check, the lowest price I found was $821.87 (round trip in Economy, travel dates: Oct. 12th -> Nov. 2nd) (Source: www.lufthansa.com)
Same trip in Business Class (ignore booking Business Class 10 months out) is about $3,200 (RT, same dates)
Most date-pairs for summer 2022 seem to be in the $1,251 to $1,347 range (+/-) for a single, round trip economy ticket (I don't think this is "basic" economy).
Same trip in Business Class (ignore booking Business Class 10 months out) is about $3,200 (RT, same dates)
Most date-pairs for summer 2022 seem to be in the $1,251 to $1,347 range (+/-) for a single, round trip economy ticket (I don't think this is "basic" economy).
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Found a STL - Frankfurt- Zagreb Croatia for 717 in October.tbspqr wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021After a quick check, the lowest price I found was $821.87 (round trip in Economy, travel dates: Oct. 12th -> Nov. 2nd) (Source: www.lufthansa.com)
Same trip in Business Class (ignore booking Business Class 10 months out) is about $3,200 (RT, same dates)
Most date-pairs for summer 2022 seem to be in the $1,251 to $1,347 range (+/-) for a single, round trip economy ticket (I don't think this is "basic" economy).
Indy is the capital and the only metro. If MO gives STL $$$ for a TATL, what do you think KC would do?soulardx wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021This isn't a trick question or me trying to prove you wrong.... but can you read these stories and tell me the annual subsidy the Indy to Paris flights got? It's so f#ckig opaque. Do note the STATE $$ for Indy. Again, zero chance Missouri the state would throw any $$ to help STL.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021I think IND was $5.5 million for 2 years of a minimum 3x weekly service year round.soulardx wrote: so, over two years, $2.5 million from "the business community" and $2.5 million, over two years, from the St. Louis County Port Authority to market the flights. Then the airport is waiving landing fees to the tune of $350,000/year.
Big picture, $2.85 million/year seems about right for a subsidy for a city the size of STL. In fact, seems on the lower end. The subsidy specifics are always opaque so hard to know, but I believe that IND is giving closer to $5 million/year for their Euro flights.
Well done, all.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/68571-term ... ndy-market
https://crankyflier.com/2018/05/01/the- ... ianapolis/
https://liveandletsfly.com/delta-indian ... is-flight/
https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/a ... ris-flight
Missouri will NOT supplement any flights in either city. Nor are they. So that's a moot point point/question.shadrach wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Indy is the capital and the only metro. If MO gives STL $$$ for a TATL, what do you think KC would do?soulardx wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021This isn't a trick question or me trying to prove you wrong.... but can you read these stories and tell me the annual subsidy the Indy to Paris flights got? It's so f#ckig opaque. Do note the STATE $$ for Indy. Again, zero chance Missouri the state would throw any $$ to help STL.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021I think IND was $5.5 million for 2 years of a minimum 3x weekly service year round.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/68571-term ... ndy-market
https://crankyflier.com/2018/05/01/the- ... ianapolis/
https://liveandletsfly.com/delta-indian ... is-flight/
https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/a ... ris-flight
I am under the assumption that BA to EU nonstop IND isn't even a done deal yet.soulardx wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021This isn't a trick question or me trying to prove you wrong.... but can you read these stories and tell me the annual subsidy the Indy to Paris flights got? It's so f#ckig opaque. Do note the STATE $$ for Indy. Again, zero chance Missouri the state would throw any $$ to help STL.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021I think IND was $5.5 million for 2 years of a minimum 3x weekly service year round.soulardx wrote: so, over two years, $2.5 million from "the business community" and $2.5 million, over two years, from the St. Louis County Port Authority to market the flights. Then the airport is waiving landing fees to the tune of $350,000/year.
Big picture, $2.85 million/year seems about right for a subsidy for a city the size of STL. In fact, seems on the lower end. The subsidy specifics are always opaque so hard to know, but I believe that IND is giving closer to $5 million/year for their Euro flights.
Well done, all.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/68571-term ... ndy-market
https://crankyflier.com/2018/05/01/the- ... ianapolis/
https://liveandletsfly.com/delta-indian ... is-flight/
https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/a ... ris-flight
The difference that this announcement is making is really profound. This isn't a small airline (like Wow/Icelandair or a low cost oversea)... this airline is coming to STL to serve our businesses and crating a world-connection to STL as a world-class city. This isn't a seasonal flight, this isn't a limited schedule, this isn't a "vacation destination" only flight... this flight is truly connecting our business partnerships and corporations. To see that Centene is behind this (because he was pushing for a global legacy airline connection) is quite nice as well. This wasn't a just deal between STL Iternational and Lufthansa. This was a corporate deal. 2 years of nonstop year-round 3x weekly om a wide body A330 airplane with all classes and some of the best amenities in the sky. Not only is the corporate world going to fuel these flights... so will STLians for leisure.
Watch the STL Business Lufthansa launch...
Luftansa's Wide Body 245-255 Seats
https://www.lufthansa.com/ge/en/333
Watch the STL Business Lufthansa launch...
Luftansa's Wide Body 245-255 Seats
https://www.lufthansa.com/ge/en/333
Thanks, I'll take a stab at cross-referencing. I've bolded the new one stops below and in parentheses listed existing 1stops. Take with a healthy dose of salt, I'm sure there are a fair number of mistakes. Some interesting take aways:Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Abuja, Addis Ababa, Agadir, Alicante, Algiers, Almaty, Amman–Queen Alia, Amsterdam, Athens, Bahrain, Baku, Bangalore, Bangkok–Suvarnabhumi, Barcelona, Bari, Basel/Mulhouse, Beijing Capital, Beirut, Belgrade, Bergen, Berlin, Bilbao, Billund, Birmingham, Bologna, Bordeaux, Bremen, Bristol, Brussels, Bucharest, Budapest, Bydgoszcz, Cairo, Cape Town, Catania, Chennai, Chișinău, Cluj-Napoca, Copenhagen, Dammam, Delhi, Dresden, Dubai, Dublin, Düsseldorf, Edinburgh, Erbil, Faro, Friedrichshafen, Funchal, Gdańsk, Geneva, Genoa, Glasgow, Gothenburg, Graz, Hamburg, Hanover, Helsinki, Hong Kong, Iași, Istanbul, Jakarta–Soekarno-Hatta, Johannesburg–O. R. Tambo, Katowice, Kraków, Kuwait City, Kyiv–Boryspil, Lagos, Larnaca, Linz, Lisbon, Liverpool, Ljubljana, London–City, London–Heathrow, Luanda, Luxembourg, Lviv, Lyon, Madrid, Malabo, Málaga, Malé, Malta, Manchester, Marseille, Milan–Linate, Milan–Malpensa, Mombasa, Moscow–Domodedovo, Mumbai, Munich, Münster/Osnabrück, Nairobi–Jomo Kenyatta, Nagoya–Centrair, Nanjing, Nantes, Naples, Newcastle upon Tyne, Nice, Nuremberg, Nur-Sultan, Oslo, Palermo, Palma de Mallorca, Pamplona, Paris–Charles de Gaulle, Port Harcourt, Porto, Poznań, Prague, Qingdao, Rennes, Reykjavík–Keflavík, Riga, Riyadh, Rome–Fiumicino, Rzeszów, Saint Petersburg, Salzburg, Sarajevo, Seoul–Incheon, Seville, Shanghai–Pudong, Shenyang, Singapore, Sofia, Stockholm–Arlanda, Stuttgart, Sylt, Tallinn, Tehran–Imam Khomeini, Tel Aviv, Thessaloniki, Timișoara, Tirana, Tokyo–Haneda, Toulouse, Trieste, Tunis, Turin, Valencia, Venice, Vienna, Vilnius, Warsaw–Chopin, Windhoek–Hosea Kutako, Wrocław, Yerevan, Zagreb, Zanzibar, ZürichRuskiSTL wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Also places east like Bangkok, Singapore, etc. And many cities (like Moscow), you have technically 1 stop through NYC but you have either an airport change or really inconvenient layovers / very few choices. Frankfurt gives you a lot more possibilities on those.kipfilet wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021Essentially every single medium sized city in Europe is now 1-stop. Major cities were already non-stop via EWR/JFK, but this opens up a lot of "second-tier" cities that did not have super easy access from the US (think places that only have direct seasonal flights like Lyon, Naples, Athens, Oporto, etc.)
Would be really interesting to see a breakdown or even overview of some of the new possibilities
Seasonal: Bastia, Cagliari, Casablanca, Dubrovnik, Eilat, Heraklion, Heringsdorf, Ibiza, Ivalo, Kos, Kuusamo, Menorca, Mykonos, Olbia, Paphos, Ponta Delgada, Pula, Rijeka, Rhodes, Santorini, Split, Tivat, Tromsø, Zadar
- 126 (+ all 24 of the seasonal) new 1stop destinations!
- not having STL - JFK really screws us on 1stop destinations
- 10 1stop destinations will go from 1 -> 2 connecting options with FRA
Abuja, Addis Ababa (Newark, Chicago, Dulles, Toronto), Agadir, Alicante, Algiers, Almaty, Amman–Queen Alia (Ohare), Amsterdam (many), Athens (many seasonal), Bahrain, Baku, Bangalore (SF May), Bangkok–Suvarnabhumi, Barcelona (Newark, Miami), Bari, Basel/Mulhouse, Beijing Capital (United x4), Beirut, Belgrade, Bergen, Berlin (Newark, Dulles May), Bilbao, Billund, Birmingham, Bologna, Bordeaux, Bremen, Bristol, Brussels (Ohare, Newark, Dulles), Bucharest, Budapest, Bydgoszcz, Cairo, Cape Town (seasonal), Catania, Chennai, Chișinău, Cluj-Napoca, Copenhagen (Toronto), Dammam, Delhi (many), Dresden, Dubai (Toronto) , Dublin (Newark, Toronto) , Düsseldorf, Edinburgh (Newark) , Erbil, Faro, Friedrichshafen, Funchal, Gdańsk, Geneva (Newark, Dulles), Genoa, Glasgow, Gothenburg, Graz, Hamburg, Hanover, Helsinki, Hong Kong (Ohare, Newark, SF), Iași, Istanbul, Jakarta–Soekarno-Hatta, Johannesburg–O. R. Tambo, Katowice, Kraków, Kuwait City, Kyiv–Boryspil, Lagos (Dulles), Larnaca, Linz, Lisbon (Newark), Liverpool, Ljubljana, London–City, London–Heathrow (many), Luanda, Luxembourg, Lviv, Lyon, Madrid (United), Malabo, Málaga, Malé, Malta, Manchester, Marseille, Milan–Linate, Milan–Malpensa (Newark, Toronto, Ohare), Mombasa, Moscow–Domodedovo, Mumbai (Newark), Munich (many), Münster/Osnabrück, Nairobi–Jomo Kenyatta, Nagoya–Centrair, Nanjing, Nantes, Naples, Newcastle upon Tyne, Nice, Nuremberg, Nur-Sultan, Oslo, Palermo, Palma de Mallorca, Pamplona, Paris–Charles de Gaulle (many), Port Harcourt, Porto, Poznań, Prague, Qingdao, Rennes, Reykjavík–Keflavík, Riga, Riyadh, Rome–Fiumicino (many), Rzeszów, Saint Petersburg, Salzburg, Sarajevo, Seoul–Incheon (many), Seville, Shanghai–Pudong (many), Shenyang, Singapore (SF) , Sofia, Stockholm–Arlanda, Stuttgart, Sylt, Tallinn, Tehran–Imam Khomeini, Tel Aviv (many), Thessaloniki, Timișoara, Tirana, Tokyo–Haneda (many), Toulouse, Trieste, Tunis, Turin, Valencia, Venice, Vienna (Toronto), Vilnius, Warsaw–Chopin, Windhoek–Hosea Kutako, Wrocław, Yerevan, Zagreb, Zanzibar, Zürich
Seasonal: Bastia, Cagliari, Casablanca, Dubrovnik, Eilat, Heraklion, Heringsdorf, Ibiza, Ivalo, Kos, Kuusamo, Menorca, Mykonos, Olbia, Paphos, Ponta Delgada, Pula, Rijeka, Rhodes, Santorini, Split, Tivat, Tromsø, Zadar
We are talking about Delta to Paris from IND……..matguy70 wrote:I am under the assumption that BA to EU nonstop IND isn't even a done deal yet.soulardx wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021This isn't a trick question or me trying to prove you wrong.... but can you read these stories and tell me the annual subsidy the Indy to Paris flights got? It's so f#ckig opaque. Do note the STATE $$ for Indy. Again, zero chance Missouri the state would throw any $$ to help STL.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2021I think IND was $5.5 million for 2 years of a minimum 3x weekly service year round.
https://www.ibj.com/articles/68571-term ... ndy-market
https://crankyflier.com/2018/05/01/the- ... ianapolis/
https://liveandletsfly.com/delta-indian ... is-flight/
https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/a ... ris-flight