To that point, you can be in central Cologne in under 1hr. Bonn, Dusseldorf or Stuttgart in 1hr 15mins. Comparable to getting from JFK to Grand Central.kota wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2021FRA is much better organized than LHR and the ICE trains run next to Terminal 1.
Austin has paid out over 7 Million in incentives for BA and LH. (All of it coming out of the pockets of city and airport monies).
Nashville is about the same as us but again coming direct from city and airport funds.
Indy is much higher.
STL has it the best IMO... 2.5 Million corporate incentives. 2 Million of so advertising / promotional campaigns from Port Authority. Only 550,000 from the airport. Win win win
Nashville is about the same as us but again coming direct from city and airport funds.
Indy is much higher.
STL has it the best IMO... 2.5 Million corporate incentives. 2 Million of so advertising / promotional campaigns from Port Authority. Only 550,000 from the airport. Win win win
^^ Yes, thanks vm for elaborating. Last time I was at FRA, I took the ICE south, disembarked in a small town, and caught another train to Strasbourg. Couldn't have been any easier. Fun too!
Just went to have my hair cut and I asked my stylist, who is Bosnian, if he was going home for the holidays (meaning back to Bosnia like usual). He then said... " you know starting in the summer next year we can fly nonstop to FRA from STL to SJJ Sarajevo on Lufthansa! I told him I was also thrilled about the new nonstop to EU. He said there are no nonstop flights to Bosnia from the USA so they usually go through Frankfurt or London anyway. He was so excited about this new connection in EU.
So with almost 90-100,000 Bosnians in the STL ... this news is already making its rounds in their community.
My sister and family in Tel Aviv also were happy to hear about this flight. She added that if they were to fly to Central USA they have to go through ORD. She said flying one connection into EU nonstop to STL is huge for them as well.
So these are all very good rumblings within 24 hours of this announcement.
So with almost 90-100,000 Bosnians in the STL ... this news is already making its rounds in their community.
My sister and family in Tel Aviv also were happy to hear about this flight. She added that if they were to fly to Central USA they have to go through ORD. She said flying one connection into EU nonstop to STL is huge for them as well.
So these are all very good rumblings within 24 hours of this announcement.
^ Awesome! I think StL is about to blow expectations out of the water. All signs point to 100%!
Did TWA ever do St. Louis to Tel Aviv? Or is/was that too long and was it just New York?matguy70 wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2021My sister and family in Tel Aviv also were happy to hear about this flight. She added that if they were to fly to Central USA they have to go through ORD. She said flying one connection into EU nonstop to STL is huge for them as well.
The incentives are lower or on par than other cities. Comparing what city/state and airport incentives have had to pay in other places, this is costing STL really "nothing" apples to apples. This deal is way lower for the city and airport by far.
Austin paid out 7.5 million (all paid by city and airport governs)
Cleveland is willing to pay out close to 7 million (all paid by city and airport governs)
Nashville paid out 4.1 million (all paid by city and airport governs)
Indianapolis is will to pay BA 5.5 million (all paid by city/state and airport governs)
New Orleans put up close to 3 million in incentives for BA (all paid by city and airport governs)
So here in St. Louis...
Our airport and city is waiving 550,000 in fees at airport landing
But our businesses and Port Authority are paying the rest.
2.5 million by corporations
2.5 for promoting the fights (Greater STL Port Authority)
That's not a bad deal IMO...as most of the other cities are either for one year or for fewer frequencies. And regardless... when you have corportations backing half of the incentives, that is HUGE no matter how you look at it.
Austin paid out 7.5 million (all paid by city and airport governs)
Cleveland is willing to pay out close to 7 million (all paid by city and airport governs)
Nashville paid out 4.1 million (all paid by city and airport governs)
Indianapolis is will to pay BA 5.5 million (all paid by city/state and airport governs)
New Orleans put up close to 3 million in incentives for BA (all paid by city and airport governs)
So here in St. Louis...
Our airport and city is waiving 550,000 in fees at airport landing
But our businesses and Port Authority are paying the rest.
2.5 million by corporations
2.5 for promoting the fights (Greater STL Port Authority)
That's not a bad deal IMO...as most of the other cities are either for one year or for fewer frequencies. And regardless... when you have corportations backing half of the incentives, that is HUGE no matter how you look at it.
I want to say their last nonstop to Tel Aviv from STL was around 96, 97 or 98.dweebe wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2021Did TWA ever do St. Louis to Tel Aviv? Or is/was that too long and was it just New York?matguy70 wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2021My sister and family in Tel Aviv also were happy to hear about this flight. She added that if they were to fly to Central USA they have to go through ORD. She said flying one connection into EU nonstop to STL is huge for them as well.
^ Hmm, I worked at TW from 93-98 and I don't recall a flight from STL to TLV, only JFK. TATL flights on TW from STL were to LGW and CDG.
Speaking of TLV, that flight was always packed and TW would NEVER release FF seats. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many complaints I used to hear about that...
Speaking of TLV, that flight was always packed and TW would NEVER release FF seats. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many complaints I used to hear about that...
I want to say STL>TLV was short lived and maybe a once a week thing. Not sure why I think that.pdm_ad wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2021^ Hmm, I worked at TW from 93-98 and I don't recall a flight from STL to TLV, only JFK. TATL flights on TW from STL were to LGW and CDG.
Speaking of TLV, that flight was always packed and TW would NEVER release FF seats. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many complaints I used to hear about that...
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^I'd swear there was also briefly a nonstop to Frankfurt, but my 1992 schedule only shows 758, which had a stop at JFK. Maybe there's some confusion between "direct" and "nonstop" flights. TW810 appears to have operated from STL to TLV, but with stops at Boston and CDG.
I have a TWA flight guide from 1987, non stops to LGW, CDG and FRAsymphonicpoet wrote: ↑Dec 16, 2021^I'd swear there was also briefly a nonstop to Frankfurt, but my 1992 schedule only shows 758, which had a stop at JFK. Maybe there's some confusion between "direct" and "nonstop" flights. TW810 appears to have operated from STL to TLV, but with stops at Boston and CDG.
FRA, 748, 8:30p departure 767-200
LGW, 720, 9:00p departure 767-200
CDG was 1 stop, but non stop later that year when 818 arrived.
By the post sale of LHR, 720 seemed to go LAX-STL-LGW-FRA at times on the 747
I think we did just fine incentive wise but I disagree with some of your stats.matguy70 wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2021The incentives are lower or on par than other cities. Comparing what city/state and airport incentives have had to pay in other places, this is costing STL really "nothing" apples to apples. This deal is way lower for the city and airport by far.
Austin paid out 7.5 million (all paid by city and airport governs)
Cleveland is willing to pay out close to 7 million (all paid by city and airport governs)
Nashville paid out 4.1 million (all paid by city and airport governs)
Indianapolis is will to pay BA 5.5 million (all paid by city/state and airport governs)
New Orleans put up close to 3 million in incentives for BA (all paid by city and airport governs)
So here in St. Louis...
Our airport and city is waiving 550,000 in fees at airport landing
But our businesses and Port Authority are paying the rest.
2.5 million by corporations
2.5 for promoting the fights (Greater STL Port Authority)
That's not a bad deal IMO...as most of the other cities are either for one year or for fewer frequencies. And regardless... when you have corportations backing half of the incentives, that is HUGE no matter how you look at it.
All were 2 years. I am pretty sure all were more than 3 flights a week. None were less for sure. And Austin’s was for more than one airline so of course it will be higher. Split it in half then compare it.
That said, Lufthansa I always understood to be a much more expensive get than BA. So for us to get 3x a week for the price we did I think it great. But honestly you could throw any number up there. If we paid 20 mil, oh well. We have the flight now and we need to support it. If they flight is still going strong a decade from now no one is going to look back at the incentive number anyway. Anyone who wants to say we paid too much is just jealous their airport didn’t get it and is finding a way to rationalize things. That’s the same boat some of us were in when Nashville, Austin, Indy, Pitt were getting flights and not us.
According to this 15-year-old Airliners thread, it was always STL-JFK-TLV. Lots of good stuff theredweebe wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2021Did TWA ever do St. Louis to Tel Aviv? Or is/was that too long and was it just New York?matguy70 wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2021My sister and family in Tel Aviv also were happy to hear about this flight. She added that if they were to fly to Central USA they have to go through ORD. She said flying one connection into EU nonstop to STL is huge for them as well.
A STLV flight would make me the happiest camper but there would probably be like 4 people on that flight on any given day.
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They've wasted no time with getting the advertisements up and running. Just got this banner ad this morning:
Interesting to see the companies that pitched in for the subsidies. And notably AB is missing, a company everyone always thought would help secure STL-FRA (& be a jersey/stadium sponsor for an MLS team). Really goes to show the impact of losing them as a homegrown megacorp.
What would be the direct interest of AB in a flight to Frankfurt? Their (US-based) corporate is almost all in NYC these days.
Exactly the point Ruski was making.kipfilet wrote: ↑Dec 16, 2021What would be the direct interest of AB in a flight to Frankfurt? Their (US-based) corporate is almost all in NYC these days.
I didn't Bayer on the list of corporations. That' the 'headscratcher' to me.
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It's the first company listed - @bayer4cropsshadrach wrote: ↑Dec 16, 2021I didn't Bayer on the list of corporations. That' the 'headscratcher' to me.
They're the first one on the list in the tweet.shadrach wrote: ↑Dec 16, 2021I didn't Bayer on the list of corporations. That' the 'headscratcher' to me.
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Yeah, I thought Bayer was one of the chief reasons this flight made some sense for St. Louis.
I'm hoping this results in more German companies coming to St. Louis.
I'm hoping this results in more German companies coming to St. Louis.
There was an electronic billboard running this ad this morning on Manchester.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Dec 16, 2021They've wasted no time with getting the advertisements up and running. Just got this banner ad this morning: