Musk is not a genius. he's just another Silicon Valley entrepreneur. he had a good idea and wrote a program to make a bunch of money on the internet back when there was way less competition in that arena. now he just poops out vague ideas and pays actual geniuses to do the hard science for him.OK, Musk may be a genius, but good lord he's got absolutely no fashion sense:
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yah, dude?urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020Musk is not a genius. he's just another Silicon Valley entrepreneur. he had a good idea and wrote a program to make a bunch of money on the internet back when there was way less competition in that arena. now he just poops out vague ideas and pays actual geniuses to do the hard science for him.OK, Musk may be a genius, but good lord he's got absolutely no fashion sense:
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Musk is remarkably smart but he didnt start Tesla...he eventually sued his way into a "co founder" role after investing in it 2 years after it was startedthestlguy wrote: ↑May 30, 2020yah, dude?urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020Musk is not a genius. he's just another Silicon Valley entrepreneur. he had a good idea and wrote a program to make a bunch of money on the internet back when there was way less competition in that arena. now he just poops out vague ideas and pays actual geniuses to do the hard science for him.OK, Musk may be a genius, but good lord he's got absolutely no fashion sense:
Yeah, I guess I don't really know much about Musk. I'll have to do some reading.
Meanwhile, SpaceX just successfully launched two astronauts into orbit. Pretty damned impressive.
Meanwhile, SpaceX just successfully launched two astronauts into orbit. Pretty damned impressive.
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sorry, did Elon Jesus design and build the falcon and dragon himself? no, he said "wouldn't it be cool to have a reusable launch vehicle?" (which isn't a new idea, by the way) and then he threw a bunch of e-Bay money at scientists and engineers that have the knowledge to build such a thing. same with Tesla. same with Boring. i mean, credit where it's due but genius is really stretching it.thestlguy wrote: ↑May 30, 2020yah, dude?urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020Musk is not a genius. he's just another Silicon Valley entrepreneur. he had a good idea and wrote a program to make a bunch of money on the internet back when there was way less competition in that arena. now he just poops out vague ideas and pays actual geniuses to do the hard science for him.OK, Musk may be a genius, but good lord he's got absolutely no fashion sense:
cool story bro. dont tell it again.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020sorry, did Elon Jesus design and build the falcon and dragon himself? no, he said "wouldn't it be cool to have a reusable launch vehicle?" (which isn't a new idea, by the way) and then he threw a bunch of Ebay money at scientists and engineers that have the knowledge to build such a thing. same with Tesla. same with Boring.thestlguy wrote: ↑May 30, 2020yah, dude?urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020Musk is not a genius. he's just another Silicon Valley entrepreneur. he had a good idea and wrote a program to make a bunch of money on the internet back when there was way less competition in that arena. now he just poops out vague ideas and pays actual geniuses to do the hard science for him.
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or i will.thestlguy wrote: ↑May 30, 2020cool story bro. dont tell it again.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020sorry, did Elon Jesus design and build the falcon and dragon himself? no, he said "wouldn't it be cool to have a reusable launch vehicle?" (which isn't a new idea, by the way) and then he threw a bunch of Ebay money at scientists and engineers that have the knowledge to build such a thing. same with Tesla. same with Boring.thestlguy wrote: ↑May 30, 2020yah, dude?
it was extremely impressive, and could never have been accomplished without the thousands of people that actually designed and built the vehicles and executed the launch.framer wrote: ↑May 30, 2020Yeah, I guess I don't really know much about Musk. I'll have to do some reading.
Meanwhile, SpaceX just successfully launched two astronauts into orbit. Pretty damned impressive.
Elon Musk had the vision and most of the early capital for SpaceX when most people were telling him he was crazy. He was almost broke on the 4th flight of SpaceX after 3 failures. Elon is a true entrepreneuer and a genius. He understands the engineering and the physics to succeed in space. Could he have succeeded without the help of thousands of employees? No. Companies like Boeing and Lockheed have been ripping NASA off for years and we have gone nowhere in space for many decades and billions of dollars. Thank you Elon Musk. I have hope again.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2020Elon Musk had the vision and put up most of the early money and was close to going broke on the 4th SpaceX flight when it was successful.it was extremely impressive, and could never have been accomplished without the thousands of people that actually designed and built the vehicles and executed the launch.framer wrote: ↑May 30, 2020Yeah, I guess I don't really know much about Musk. I'll have to do some reading.
Meanwhile, SpaceX just successfully launched two astronauts into orbit. Pretty damned impressive.
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^ vision =/= genius, though (remember this is the same guy who "envisioned" that low-occupancy cars on underground highways would revolutionize travel). and capital =/= genius. "He understands the engineering and the physics to succeed in space." lot's of people understand that better than him (e.g. the actual scientists and engineers at Boeing Space, Lockheed Martin Space, Northrup Grumman Space, NASA, SpaceX, etc. who do this for a living) but they aren't randomly deified like Musk has been. the difference is that Musk has lots of money (thanks to eBay) and knows how to sell himself. he's a businessman. he took some risks that have paid off but they just as well could have gone south. that doesn't make him a genius. is he smart? sure.
Elon Musk is a brain genius for sure. Hopefully us normal people can be protected from him and people like him.
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Musk’s ideas aren’t new...but he can definitely market those ideas better. He’s more like a lesser version of Steve Jobs.
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I thought it was a fair and reasonable question, given that 2 of the folks are wearing them.
Additionally, I can say with 80% confidence that this is the only time I've ever discussed NASA's (or any space agency's) mask-wearing procedures, either on the internet or in person. And "extraordinarily creepy and weird" is a bit of a hat-on-a-hat.I do find your apparent need to run to the internet to be the moral arbiter of mask wearing by NASA personnel extraordinarily creepy and weird, though.
Tesla workers reportedly test positive for COVID-19 after Musk forced factory reopening
https://mashable.com/article/tesla-frem ... ronavirus/
https://mashable.com/article/tesla-frem ... ronavirus/
Looking more and more likely that Tesla's next auto plan will land in Texas as being reported by CNN Business. Also saw a similar article in San Fran Biz Journals the other week.. Probably not surprising considering how aggressive Texas is with incentives. But what I found surprising is reference to UAW.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/tech/tes ... index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/tech/tes ... index.html
From the article:
"The UAW, which has unsuccessfully sought to organize the plant in Fremont, vows to fight any incentive deal for Tesla's next US plant"
"The UAW, which has unsuccessfully sought to organize the plant in Fremont, vows to fight any incentive deal for Tesla's next US plant"
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Not sure what thread to put this in. Anyway, Lincoln County and Missouri need to go after this HARD. Would be the perfect type of deal for Greater St. Louis to show they're interested in drawing business to the larger region and not just the core.
Toyota already has a massive facility in Troy.
Toyota to build $1.29B US battery plant employing 1,750
https://www.stltoday.com/business/natio ... 7f943.html
Toyota already has a massive facility in Troy.
Toyota to build $1.29B US battery plant employing 1,750
https://www.stltoday.com/business/natio ... 7f943.html
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 57a2c.html
You win some, you lose some ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It'd be nice to actually understand the details of why this went to NC instead of MO. I suppose there's not really much of a market for that sort of story in today's state of the press and the only way to find that information would be to track down the proposals and read thru them myself.... And my level of curiosity is not that unbounded...
You win some, you lose some ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It'd be nice to actually understand the details of why this went to NC instead of MO. I suppose there's not really much of a market for that sort of story in today's state of the press and the only way to find that information would be to track down the proposals and read thru them myself.... And my level of curiosity is not that unbounded...
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You must be new here. We don’t win much when it come to competing for manufacturing biz.
My guess is the terms of the incentive structure will be made public sometime after the official announcement.
NC gave Centene over $450 million. My guess is Toyota got a nice bucket of cash too.
Add in our bumbling governor and sluggish growth and you can’t really blame them for not picking Missouri.
NC gave Centene over $450 million. My guess is Toyota got a nice bucket of cash too.
Add in our bumbling governor and sluggish growth and you can’t really blame them for not picking Missouri.
I believe you also have to go to the other factor in the these large battery production facilities as well as new steel mills, server farms and semdiconductor plants alike. They require a lot of resources from water to cheap power but almost all of them have some carbon free footprint component and or willingness to match up with a renewable project. A quite few states, Blue or Red, and respective utilities have embraced renewable energy/carbon free investments one way or another to land these plants. NC statehouse might not make the case for renewables on climate change but they will have no issue getting a renewable project off the ground if Amazon, Google and or Toyota come knocking.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Dec 06, 2021My guess is the terms of the incentive structure will be made public sometime after the official announcement.
NC gave Centene over $450 million. My guess is Toyota got a nice bucket of cash too.
Add in our bumbling governor and sluggish growth and you can’t really blame them for not picking Missouri.
In other words, MO and its state house gets a big thumbs down as one more thing it lags in when it comes to being competitive for these investments.
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I hate MoLeg as much as anyone, but these companies are not looking elsewhere because we don’t incentivise green projects.
These companies choose NC, TN and TX because these states are staunchly anti-worker and anti-labor and have growing workforces.
If you really want Mo to compete for these projects, you’ll have to get onboard with right to work.
These companies choose NC, TN and TX because these states are staunchly anti-worker and anti-labor and have growing workforces.
If you really want Mo to compete for these projects, you’ll have to get onboard with right to work.
Missourians coming out in droves to vote down Right to Work was one of the proudest moments of my life. The people of this state did not believe the lies being peddled then, and bringing the same false dichotomy here isn't going to change anything.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Dec 07, 2021I hate MoLeg as much as anyone, but these companies are not looking elsewhere because we don’t incentivise green projects.
These companies choose NC, TN and TX because these states are staunchly anti-worker and anti-labor and have growing workforces.
If you really want Mo to compete for these projects, you’ll have to get onboard with right to work.
Will have to agree to disagree because the whole right to work argument is way over blown in my opinion. Employers are paying a premium for the right workforce one way or another and they know it. So how do you manage costs, the resources and these plants are very intensive resource users and of the course, the big incentives which TN, NC and TX are all payingJaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Dec 07, 2021I hate MoLeg as much as anyone, but these companies are not looking elsewhere because we don’t incentivise green projects.
These companies choose NC, TN and TX because these states are staunchly anti-worker and anti-labor and have growing workforces.
If you really want Mo to compete for these projects, you’ll have to get onboard with right to work.
However, I will fully agree that these states are attracting people and therefore growing workforces. MO is going backwards in this regards.