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BellaVilla wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

Idk if you’ve noticed but like 75% of the metro couldn’t give a damn about walkability

I'd say more like 95+%.  Cycling and mass transit as well.  Cars are king in the STL.

OnTheEdge wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

BellaVilla wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

Idk if you’ve noticed but like 75% of the metro couldn’t give a damn about walkability

I'd say more like 95+%.  Cycling and mass transit as well.  Cars are king in the STL.

Yes and no. We love to drive but have you seen the grg trails on the weekend?

Yes, as a long time avid cyclist, places like Grants Trail and Forest Park on nice weekends are packed with joggers and cyclists.  I bike commute on some of these same trails on a daily basis throughout the year and they are usually COMPLETELY empty.

People here like to get out to a park and ride a bike or take a walk on a nice day.  Doing so for actual transportation?  Not even on the radar for 99+%.

leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

Downtown "crime" issues never bothered me. What always bothered was that it just kind of sucks. It's been close a few times but always gets derailed somehow. I accept it for what it is. I can see how it would be kind of fun for an out of towner though. I desperately wanted to get back to work downtown initially but it appears that won't be happening at all, ever, in downtown or Clayton or anywhere. Whatever.

I’ve been to 25 cities so far this year from Seattle to San Juan to London and 2500 sq mile city with 1500 residents in Alaska, is our downtown London or Seattle? No but it sure does have more things to do then a peer Downtown

You can go to a baseball game (can’t in downtown KC), hockey game, soon a soccer game, a 60,000 person concert at the dome, a 45,000 person concert at Busch or a 20,000 person concert at Enteprise or a play or a comedy show at Stifel, you can see a movie at MX, you can go to a historic central library, city museum, aquarium, ride a Ferris wheel, go to one of few urban national parks, take a riverboat cruise, gamble at a casino, eat good bbq, good Asian food, see a $30m sculpture garden, go to the Landing. If you don’t like any of those things you’re not going to like an other downtown

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

Downtown "crime" issues never bothered me. What always bothered was that it just kind of sucks. It's been close a few times but always gets derailed somehow. I accept it for what it is. I can see how it would be kind of fun for an out of towner though. I desperately wanted to get back to work downtown initially but it appears that won't be happening at all, ever, in downtown or Clayton or anywhere. Whatever.

I’ve been to 25 cities so far this year from Seattle to San Juan to London and 2500 sq mile city with 1500 residents in Alaska, is our downtown London or Seattle? No but it sure does have more things to do then a peer Downtown

You can go to a baseball game (can’t in downtown KC), hockey game, soon a soccer game, a 60,000 person concert at the dome, a 45,000 person concert at Busch or a 20,000 person concert at Enteprise or a play or a comedy show at Stifel, you can see a movie at MX, you can go to a historic central library, city museum, aquarium, ride a Ferris wheel, go to one of few urban national parks, take a riverboat cruise, gamble at a casino, eat good bbq, good Asian food, see a $30m sculpture garden, go to the Landing.  If you don’t like any of those things you’re not going to like an other downtown

Good rundown but something I've started to notice more when I compare our downtown to peer cities.  Our downtown is just so so big.  I was in DT Charlotte last week and while COVID has taken it's toll to vibrant street traffic, every attraction there was in a 10-block by 10-block area. It's truly walkable to run through all of that.   

Now, for us, is anyone walking from Lumiere to Union Station? hell no. That's like 30 blocks.

soulardx wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

gone corporate wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

• If the City commits a larger share of SLMPD resources strictly to Downtown - Leonor K Sullivan to Cass, to Jefferson, to Choteau - and more aggressively fight street crimes, would this further business retention in the Central Business Community? Just make that entire area a de facto Hayden's Rectangle? 
• If the City expeditiously kicks out bars that are fast becoming problem properties, would that keep companies working in Downtown? 
• Can we get more Police walking the beats in Downtown to provide the visage of beefed-up law enforcement? 
• And can we get some GDMF traffic enforcement for all these jerkwads ignoring red lights and going highway-fast speeds down dense urban grid streets? 

On weekend nights, there should be a cop on every Wash Ave corner 4th to 14th.  Same with the City Garden. Same with Keiner.  Use some of that stimulus $ there.

You’re not going to get that. Right or wrong, this Mayor doesn’t believe that we can police our way out of crime. She’s not going to commit cops to downtown

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

Downtown "crime" issues never bothered me. What always bothered was that it just kind of sucks. It's been close a few times but always gets derailed somehow. I accept it for what it is. I can see how it would be kind of fun for an out of towner though. I desperately wanted to get back to work downtown initially but it appears that won't be happening at all, ever, in downtown or Clayton or anywhere. Whatever.

I’ve been to 25 cities so far this year from Seattle to San Juan to London and 2500 sq mile city with 1500 residents in Alaska, is our downtown London or Seattle? No but it sure does have more things to do then a peer Downtown

You can go to a baseball game (can’t in downtown KC), hockey game, soon a soccer game, a 60,000 person concert at the dome, a 45,000 person concert at Busch or a 20,000 person concert at Enteprise or a play or a comedy show at Stifel, you can see a movie at MX, you can go to a historic central library, city museum, aquarium, ride a Ferris wheel, go to one of few urban national parks, take a riverboat cruise, gamble at a casino, eat good bbq, good Asian food, see a $30m sculpture garden, go to the Landing.  If you don’t like any of those things you’re not going to like an other downtown

I mean, downtown is ok. It's a formerly impressive city that still has buildings and streets I don't hate it. It's more of a "what could have been" scenario.

This country went from nothing to massive urban cities built in the same tradition as Europe in matter of a couple hundred years. It's incredible. Everytime I'm in Tower Grove I cannot believe how huge it is, lined with buildings on each side that would take a 100 years to build now.

We were given a gift, earned with hard work and sweat and we took a huge dump on it. It bothers me, yes.

OnTheEdge wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

Fox 2 had the same story: https://fox2now.com/news/fox-files/fox- ... t-example/

I don't know, it's definitely a little sensational, but at the same time, if buildings in the CBD are getting multiple windows shot out, that's newsworthy that needs a light shined on it in my opinion.

Mayor responds: https://fox2now.com/news/fox-files/st-l ... -violence/

dbInSouthCity wrote:

soulardx wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

gone corporate wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

• If the City commits a larger share of SLMPD resources strictly to Downtown - Leonor K Sullivan to Cass, to Jefferson, to Choteau - and more aggressively fight street crimes, would this further business retention in the Central Business Community? Just make that entire area a de facto Hayden's Rectangle? 
• If the City expeditiously kicks out bars that are fast becoming problem properties, would that keep companies working in Downtown? 
• Can we get more Police walking the beats in Downtown to provide the visage of beefed-up law enforcement? 
• And can we get some GDMF traffic enforcement for all these jerkwads ignoring red lights and going highway-fast speeds down dense urban grid streets? 

On weekend nights, there should be a cop on every Wash Ave corner 4th to 14th.  Same with the City Garden. Same with Keiner.  Use some of that stimulus $ there.

You’re not going to get that. Right or wrong, this Mayor doesn’t believe that we can police our way out of crime. She’s not going to commit cops to downtown

Until the police turns their backs on her like is happening in Chicago! You need police walking all over DT it happens in all DT’s nationwide. If she can’t do that because she might lose some votes she wasn’t meant to be our mayor.


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Study: The most dangerous city in Missouri isn't St. Louis
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JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Sep 10, 2021

OnTheEdge wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2021

Fox 2 had the same story: https://fox2now.com/news/fox-files/fox- ... t-example/

I don't know, it's definitely a little sensational, but at the same time, if buildings in the CBD are getting multiple windows shot out, that's newsworthy that needs a light shined on it in my opinion.

Mayor responds: https://fox2now.com/news/fox-files/st-l ... -violence/

I’m sorry I’ve been in STL just over a month but we all know the DT and central corridor is our tax base! Do we need to protect all neighborhoods? Yes. Do we need to protect on a higher level the areas that generate the tax revenue that protects poorer communities? Dah lol…

An after dawn curfew need to be put in place!
DT is not a night kids play area. Unaccompanied minors after dawn not home parents get a first warning. Second a fine and third a fine and 40 hours of community service in their own community to make a better place.

And if she continues this trend she might have her days numbered in politics! She’s looking more and more like the Chicago mayor and the police turned their backs on her.


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When the police “turn their backs” on an elected official they’re turning their backs on the people of that city, the same people who’s money feeds their family. I’d fire them all

dbInSouthCity wrote:

JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Sep 10, 2021

OnTheEdge wrote: Mayor responds: https://fox2now.com/news/fox-files/st-l ... -violence/

I’m sorry I’ve been in STL just over a month but we all know the DT and central corridor is our tax base! Do we need to protect all neighborhoods? Yes. Do we need to protect on a higher level the areas that generate the tax revenue that protects poorer communities? Dah lol…

An after dawn curfew need to be put in place!
DT is not a night kids play area. Unaccompanied minors after dawn not home parents get a first warning. Second a fine and third a fine and 40 hours of community service in their own community to make a better place.

And if she continues this trend she might have her days numbered in politics! She’s looking more and more like the Chicago mayor and the police turned their backs on her.


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When the police “turn their backs” on an elected official they’re turning their backs on the people of that city, the same people who’s money feeds their family. I’d fire them all

Not when their safeties are at risk. I’m prior service mechanized infantry and police are humans as well. You take their powers and their safeties to perform their jobs and don’t have a plan and improvised they will turn their backs. They want to go home to their families every day and without a plan they won’t be able to hire and retain them. Problem is and this is my personal opinion is that the Mayor of STL is thinking as a politician (re-election/keeping her job) and not as a STL resident.


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Police have lost no powers. Depriving people of constitutional rights was never a power to be had by police. Power to execute someone without cause was never a power they had

This is almost all about race. It always has been. Despite last Memorial Day, some folks still think the solution is using police to terrorize black folks back into the slums where they can be forgotten

dbInSouthCity wrote:Police have lost no powers. Depriving people of constitutional rights was never a power to be had by police. Power to execute someone without cause was never a power they had

I’m sorry no one is depriving constitutional rights! Problems is we have allowed some to think that they can do whatever they want and they know there won’t be any consequences!

I see kids almost every night downtown and that’s unacceptable. Curfew should be in place that mid night curfew is dumb as hell. No kid should be out at midnight. I was last night walking on Wash Ave and on Tucker and Washington looked like a drift and race track place.

Saying you won’t concentrate more police on an area that generates most of the revenue as “we can walk and chew at the same time” is just not caring for your city! You can’t help the most vulnerable communities without any revenue. Telling and asking investors to invest in certain communities that won’t generate a ROI is also dumb as hell. Investors are in to make money.

In one month I’ve seen how incompetence this administration is. I hate politics and I thought Chicago and DC were bad but STL politicians are just as incompetent as they come. Again this is my personal opinion.


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This comment by the mayor will only further divide our community into the haves and haves not.  People with families and property that want to protect their livelihoods and have the means will ultimately go through private means to secure these rights.  What will end up happening is the less fortunate will not have these options and will be stuck with an ever dwindling public police force with fewer and fewer resources.  Or these haves will move out.  Both of these options are unacceptable on any terms if you are the mayor.  You abandon tax paying individuals and you abandon the poorest communities.   

BellaVilla wrote:This is almost all about race. It always has been. Despite last Memorial Day, some folks still think the solution is using police to terrorize black folks back into the slums where they can be forgotten

No is not! There’s freaking white crackheads too! But mostly are of African American descent and it makes sense as most of the population is of that descent in STL city specially in that area of the city. Is like in north Philadelphia is mostly Puerto Ricans (I’m Puerto Rican) and most crime are committed by Ricans and it makes sense. Same goes for Southern California most are Mexicans and it will show its Mexicans. Same goes for Arkansas is mostly white methheads and it makes sense as majority are Whites.

Can’t hide what’s visible. As a minority I’m not afraid to speak up about what’s wrong. Regardless of color what’s wrong is wrong! I bet a lot of caucasians and european descent would love to say and mention what’s wrong but they will be labeled as racist because is easy to say that instead of accepting reality and doing something about it.


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JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Sep 10, 2021

BellaVilla wrote:This is almost all about race. It always has been. Despite last Memorial Day, some folks still think the solution is using police to terrorize black folks back into the slums where they can be forgotten

No is not! There’s freaking white crackheads too! But mostly are of African American descent and it makes sense as most of the population is of that descent in STL city specially in that area of the city. Is like in north Philadelphia is mostly Puerto Ricans (I’m Puerto Rican) and most crime are committed by Ricans and it makes sense. Same goes for Southern California most are Mexicans and it will show its Mexicans. Same goes for Arkansas is mostly white methheads and it makes sense as majority are Whites.

Can’t hide what’s visible. As a minority I’m not afraid to speak up about what’s wrong. Regardless of color what’s wrong is wrong! I bet a lot of caucasians and european descent would love to say and mention what’s wrong but they will be labeled as racist because is easy to say that instead of accepting reality and doing something about it.


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StL is plurality white, JJ

BellaVilla wrote:

JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Sep 10, 2021

BellaVilla wrote:This is almost all about race. It always has been. Despite last Memorial Day, some folks still think the solution is using police to terrorize black folks back into the slums where they can be forgotten

No is not! There’s freaking white crackheads too! But mostly are of African American descent and it makes sense as most of the population is of that descent in STL city specially in that area of the city. Is like in north Philadelphia is mostly Puerto Ricans (I’m Puerto Rican) and most crime are committed by Ricans and it makes sense. Same goes for Southern California most are Mexicans and it will show its Mexicans. Same goes for Arkansas is mostly white methheads and it makes sense as majority are Whites.

Can’t hide what’s visible. As a minority I’m not afraid to speak up about what’s wrong. Regardless of color what’s wrong is wrong! I bet a lot of caucasians and european descent would love to say and mention what’s wrong but they will be labeled as racist because is easy to say that instead of accepting reality and doing something about it.


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StL is plurality white, JJ

STL majority poor communities are of African-descent. That’s what I meant. So crime and lawlessness will be committed in its majority by them. Same goes for the other regions I’ve mentioned. North of Downtown is black, North Philadelphia is Puerto Rican, Southern California cities are Mexican, Washington Heights NYC is Dominican! You get my point. Is not racism its statistics.


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pappysoulard wrote: ↑

Sep 10, 2021

This comment by the mayor will only further divide our community into the haves and haves not.  People with families and property that want to protect their livelihoods and have the means will ultimately go through private means to secure these rights.  What will end up happening is the less fortunate will not have these options and will be stuck with an ever dwindling public police force with fewer and fewer resources.  Or these haves will move out.  Both of these options are unacceptable on any terms if you are the mayor.  You abandon tax paying individuals and you abandon the poorest communities.   

Funny that you come here to call out our black, female Mayor for causing division but not the white alderman and white parking garage owner who basically fabricated the initial story.

BellaVilla wrote:

pappysoulard wrote: ↑

Sep 10, 2021

This comment by the mayor will only further divide our community into the haves and haves not.  People with families and property that want to protect their livelihoods and have the means will ultimately go through private means to secure these rights.  What will end up happening is the less fortunate will not have these options and will be stuck with an ever dwindling public police force with fewer and fewer resources.  Or these haves will move out.  Both of these options are unacceptable on any terms if you are the mayor.  You abandon tax paying individuals and you abandon the poorest communities.   

Funny that you come here to call out our black, female Mayor for causing division but not the white alderman and white parking garage owner who basically fabricated the initial story.

Please clarify what is fabricated? Why would I call out the alderman for passing along concerns of his AND the mayors tax paying constituents? All the while the mayor deflects the concerns?

This isn’t a white/black issue. It is a STL issue and the end game is everyone loses, especially the poor black community who is dependent on public services, namely the police.


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