Impressive and encouraging
I think it's a bit too early to call it a trend. 2020 was clearly an abnormal year, and so far 2021 seems in like with the 2015-2019 period.
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And actually we came out of the beginning of the year pretty above average from Jan - April. May through August have been VERY low... just tallied these real quick for some context. I was curious what the trends should look like...
It was lower in 2018. And the difference relative to 2015-2019 is prob not statistically significant, I'd say it's about one standard deviation or less.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 07, 2021^ it’s down 10% compared to the 2015-2019 time frame
Is it wrong for me to think that there's just no one left to kill? I don't mean that in the wrong way, but after the bloodbath last year and the first few months of this year, you'd think that targeted violence, especially homicide, would be on the downward slide. Sure, there will still be targeted instances, but nothing like what was before because there are simply fewer "targets" if you want to call them that. At the end of the day, a single homicide is an unfortunate event.
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Agreed, fellow Griffin. And how many of these homicides are of people who had no connection to the murderer? Do we have data on that? I feel like that is a better indicator of how safe someone can feel in a city. If you know that 90% of homicides were targeted, you might breathe easier on the sidewalks.
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90-95% (you may see data as low as 80 but that’s because the “known each other” definition isn’t as broad, ie if I go met someone to buy drugs that I never met before and a homicide happens, it wouldn’t be counted as known). If you don’t buy or sell drugs or settle domestic issues with guns you are likely to avoid 90% of homicide opportunitiesMiss Shell wrote: ↑Sep 08, 2021Agreed, fellow Griffin. And how many of these homicides are of people who had no connection to the murderer? Do we have data on that? I feel like that is a better indicator of how safe someone can feel in a city. If you know that 90% of homicides were targeted, you might breathe easier on the sidewalks.
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Stltoday - Fatal shooting on I-55 closes highway in south St. Louis County
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 1099b.html
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 1099b.html
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DT hit piece published this evening by the PD. Article claims that “many” businesses are considering leaving downtown but fails to corroborate such a serious claim from a single gd business. It’s implied it’s Peabody, which is only one business and one not long for this world anyway. The only sources of information are a Coatar (known fear mongerer) and Brad Waldrop, who has debased himself countless times on this forum.
Unsurprisingly, Steph Kulkuljian contributed to this article. She never missed a chance to crap on the city when she was with BJ.
Anyway, here’s the link: https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... op-story-1
Unsurprisingly, Steph Kulkuljian contributed to this article. She never missed a chance to crap on the city when she was with BJ.
Anyway, here’s the link: https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... op-story-1
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Some good news is this piece, it appears that Brad Waldrops dad is going to sell his parking lots and go invest in them out of state! Awesome!
Second piece of good news is that Coatar apparently just realized that after 6 years as Aldermen, his ward includes downtown.
Second piece of good news is that Coatar apparently just realized that after 6 years as Aldermen, his ward includes downtown.
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Well - I fear I know one employer that is in the initial stages of pulling out. I can not say as it is privileged information. The city needs to take corrective action even if crime is 'not as bad as its seems in the media'. I am guessing if this one is, then they are not alone.
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Well which is it? Do you know a business that is pulling out or not?
Fox 2 had the same story: https://fox2now.com/news/fox-files/fox- ... t-example/
I don't know, it's definitely a little sensational, but at the same time, if buildings in the CBD are getting multiple windows shot out, that's newsworthy that needs a light shined on it in my opinion.
I don't know, it's definitely a little sensational, but at the same time, if buildings in the CBD are getting multiple windows shot out, that's newsworthy that needs a light shined on it in my opinion.
More than shining a light on it, what we need is leadership with the backbone to actually do something about it.
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Violent crime is down considerably under the new administration.
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You would think when stories like this are done that they’ll easily be able to find companies who’s employees have been a victim of a crime in downtown….
The Fourth District includes the neighborhoods of Carr Square, Columbus Square, Covenant Blu-Grand Center, Downtown, Downtown West, Fairgrounds Park, Hyde Park, Jeff Vander Lou, Midtown, Old North St. Louis, St. Louis Place and portions of College Hill Fairgrounds and Near North Riverfront.
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Agreed, DB! It’s just such a harmful thing to print with so little to substantiate its claims. Furthermore, it undermines the strides our new administration is making in protecting us from violent crime.
What exactly are these strides? Has there been any policy at the federal level that has meaningfully contributed to a decline in crime in cities such as St. Louis? At this point we all understand that 2020 was a massive outlier for most US cities. As life normalizes to an extent in 2021, crime is going back down, but I am cautious when it comes to reading downward trends (unlike others on this thread). So far, it is slightly lower than in the pre-2020 trend but the difference doesn't seem to be significant enough for that to constitute a trend.BellaVilla wrote: ↑Sep 09, 2021Agreed, DB! It’s just such a harmful thing to print with so little to substantiate its claims. Furthermore, it undermines the strides our new administration is making in protecting us from violent crime.
Any policies that may have made a difference at the city level seem to have been promoted by the new mayoral administration, not the federal govt. Unless I am missing something.
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You seem like not an adult and have some bizarre “own the libs” fetish. Mental health in this country needs more funding.Saintlosingit wrote: ↑Sep 09, 2021Only a deranged leftist like you can obsfucate/deny/redirect the problems of downtown. Downtown is schitthole compared to our peers. A total failure. And it's because leftists like you would rather focus on woke BS like social equity and bad white men.
Reminder: downtown STL is a schitthole.
^ federal level? Our state banned police from working with feds on gun crimes
In 2010 the city had about 35,000 total
Crimes and last year about 23,000. I don’t know if that’s federal policy tho
In 2010 the city had about 35,000 total
Crimes and last year about 23,000. I don’t know if that’s federal policy tho
Downtown St. Louis' biggest problem is Downtown Clayton as a rival. Sure, Covid and all, but the central business district vibrancy of downtown St. Louis has never been worse in my 25 years of working there. Clayton is the CBD for the region. DT St. Louis, #2.
What cities of our size have another CBD that so directly competes with downtown? Imagine all those Clayton businesses and workers in DT St. Louis - different place. With that said, horse is out of the barn.
Be all that as it may, I'd be curious on a direct comp on crime stats in DT STL, DT PIT, DT KC, DT CIN, etc. get a true sense of it.
What cities of our size have another CBD that so directly competes with downtown? Imagine all those Clayton businesses and workers in DT St. Louis - different place. With that said, horse is out of the barn.
Be all that as it may, I'd be curious on a direct comp on crime stats in DT STL, DT PIT, DT KC, DT CIN, etc. get a true sense of it.