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PostAug 24, 2021#301

To clarify my comment about the San Luis… no, it’s not Optimist’s fault that the San Luis was torn down. My point is, the loss of the San Luis for a surface parking lot has already diminished an otherwise intact and architecturally significant intersection. For that reason, whatever replaces the Optimist building (specifically designated as a high merit mcm building in the CWE mcm survey) should not just be “good enough”- it should be a signature building that upholds the architectural legacy of its high profile location. The current renderings of the apartment building was nothing special- it’s basically a derivative of the same “could be anywhere” template that can be found, well, anywhere.

That said, I also understand (and agree to some extent) that there’s a good case that adding density and tax $$$ should supersede sentimentality. However, the job of the preservation board is to protect the built environment— particularly contributing structures. Approving this demolition would’ve opened the door for the same thing to happen again and again and again. And we all know it WOULD happen again.

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PostAug 24, 2021#302

>  it should be a signature building that upholds the architectural legacy of its high profile location. The current renderings of the apartment building was nothing special- it’s basically a derivative of the same “could be anywhere” template that can be found, well, anywhere.

Agree- all these decisions are a balance.  Tearing down for a parking lot proposal is different from a 20 story steel framed tower that significantly increases the density and architectural quality of the neighborhood.  This looks like a 5 on 2 with no architectural significance so hoping for a better trade than this one.

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PostAug 24, 2021#303

chriss752 wrote:
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Yes Votes: Killeen and Coatar.
ROTFL as I just found out Coater is on the Preservation Board...  Only in this city, man, only in this city... :(

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PostAug 24, 2021#304

I can’t believe he voted considering he took $15,000 in campaign donations from this developer

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PostAug 24, 2021#305

Seems like SLPS should have a board seat to protect their interests.

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PostAug 24, 2021#306

SouthCityJR wrote:
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Seems like SLPS should have a board seat to protect their interests.
They do on the on boards that approve incentives

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PostAug 24, 2021#307

What of the potential lost revenue for city schools if this moves forward as opposed to the better proposal that could very well come along in the next few years?

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PostAug 24, 2021#308

BellaVilla wrote:
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What of the potential lost revenue for city schools if this moves forward as opposed to the better proposal that could very well come along in the next few years?
Factoring in the 8 years of lost revenue since this was first attempted to be sold or no? You take the deal you have, always take the deal you have

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PostAug 24, 2021#309

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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BellaVilla wrote:
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What of the potential lost revenue for city schools if this moves forward as opposed to the better proposal that could very well come along in the next few years?
Factoring in the 8 years of lost revenue since this was first attempted to be sold or no?    You take the deal you have, always take the deal you have
No, sometimes it’s good to bet on yourself. And I’m in favor of going all in on the CWE.

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PostAug 24, 2021#310

BellaVilla wrote:
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dbInSouthCity wrote:
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BellaVilla wrote:
Aug 24, 2021
What of the potential lost revenue for city schools if this moves forward as opposed to the better proposal that could very well come along in the next few years?
Factoring in the 8 years of lost revenue since this was first attempted to be sold or no?    You take the deal you have, always take the deal you have
No, sometimes it’s good to bet on yourself. And I’m in favor of going all in on the CWE.
You can bet on the CWE and take a deal you got on a property thats been on the market for almost a decade

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PostAug 24, 2021#311

Question for those of you who know city process more than I do.  Does the developer have any recourse after this denial?   Or it the board decision the end of the line for them?

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tztag wrote:
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Question for those of you who know city process more than I do.  Does the developer have any recourse after this denial?   Or it the board decision the end of the line for them?
This was just a preliminary review, the developer can apply for a demo permit and go in front of this same board- If they deny he/she can appeal to the Planning Commission.

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PostAug 24, 2021#313

And if the Planning Commission denies it, they could always seek the BOA to approve it.

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PostAug 24, 2021#314

Laife Fulk wrote:
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And if the Planning Commission denies it, they could always seek the BOA to approve it.
I don’t think so, no way the alder would go along with a redevelopment bill for this

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PostAug 24, 2021#315

Right, but the developer could still try.

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PostAug 24, 2021#316

mjbais1489 wrote:
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This is bad. Making it hard to build things in this city is bad. It leads to higher house prices and higher rents  - pricing out economic diversity.  The same people bidding on the same apartments in the CWE will now drive the price higher. 
You must really hate the Form-Based building code and Historic District design standards then...not to mention the overall recent hostility towards incentives.

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gone corporate wrote:
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I say the developers should add a couple stories to their design, make it a proper high rise, and resubmit. 
That's not what Lux Living does.  It's like expecting a penguin to fly.

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PostSep 09, 2021#318

Does anyone have a sense for where this project is following the last setback from the Preservation Board? I'm not sure whether to be hopeful that there are ongoing efforts to bring it to fruition or resigned to it quietly going down the path to the development proposal graveyard. 

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PostSep 09, 2021#319

wabash wrote:Does anyone have a sense for where this project is following the last setback from the Preservation Board? I'm not sure whether to be hopeful that there are ongoing efforts to bring it to fruition or resigned to it quietly going down the path to the development proposal graveyard. 
There are a few things in the works but I can’t discuss it publicly. What I will say is that the next few months are critical to seeing something proposed here again.

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PostSep 29, 2021#320

The owner and the developer have agreed to extend to option to buy the building. Developer is looking for a new architecture firm that will find ways to incorporate the building into the development

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PostSep 30, 2021#321

Sounds like the design and the deal as a whole are still very much in flux, with different involved parties offering different vague commentary and opinions: https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/developer-takes-second-shot-at-redevelopment-of-historic-optimist-site-in-central-west-end/article_83c4c1eb-566d-5534-93e1-9beb5f1cd42c.html

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PostSep 30, 2021#322

$20 says the CWE NIMBYs kill any further proposals.

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PostSep 30, 2021#323

Here's a concept rendering presented by the CWE Association, illustrating what they'd like to see:

 

More info:

http://www.stlprograms.com/wp-content/d ... lipbook/4/

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PostSep 30, 2021#324

STL is the only city that lets NIMBYs kills valuable projects when in need of revenue and population growth! That building has no value whatsoever!


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PostSep 30, 2021#325

I find the last sentence of the article rather amusing: "More importantly, the idea that the preservation and curation of our architectural treasures is key to the continued vitality of our neighborhood has prevailed." 

Also, come on, the CWE Association's Planning and Development Committee's concept rendering would (1) not be consistent with the form-based code (which has a 12 story maximum), (2) be 2X taller than the proposed design (which the NIMBY's would hate), (3) would cost a ton more to build per square foot (poured concrete vs. podium+wood frame construction), (4) fails to activate the corner in ay way. It's surprisingly amateurish on their part, and not surprising or insulting at all that the concept was "rejected, with no serious consideration, by the developer." 

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