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PostJul 07, 2021#976

^ I think their is more to the $2 billion than it bought us little.   They pretty much rebuilt the entire right of way, infrastructure and associated equipment upgrades to the point that pretty much makes 110 mph very feasible and doable.   I believe their is some additional double track to do but more for increasing capacity then speed and work to rebuild & reorganize rail traffic through Springfield is progressing & will be a plus.  

From what I read periodically and what I understand is that the upgrades to get the PTC & grade crossings/protections in order which has a lot to do with multiple electronics & varying software has pretty much been mess.  Probably in part to uneven funding commitments,  Amtrak not owning the route outright like they do for Northeast corridor or say even most of the Detroit line where things have progressed, Illinois not showing any great ability to manage things either in my opinion (you can add the bilevel passenger car order boondogle between Cali & IL), the rail line features everything on rail outside of a dinner train (manifest freight, to local service, terminal rail ops, to corridor passenger rail to national passenger train running over multipe railroads) and of course, host railroad & dispatcher for terminal railroad(s) not much help.  Throw in probably the biggest factor in that FRA having some very difficult expectations because at end of the day their is not many rail corridors in the US including Chicago to St Louis that are truly grade separated.   So I'm sure they are probably asking for 100% operational success on any possible condition or situation they can dream of...when taking to next level.   I can't speak to what is FRA is actually asking for in their testing but assume to this point it has been nothing less.

Still hope full that an infrastructure bill passes and some much needed emphasis & funding flows into Amtrak.   On same note, Amtrak does seem to making some headway in finally looking to reinvest.   Article on new deal for more railcars to replace Amfleet.  Includes update on cars for Midwest and California corridor service.  Might finally seeing some new cars behind the  new Siemen locomotives.  

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... equipment/

Siemens is currently in the midst of building a 137-car order of Venture cars for use on state-supported trains in California and the Midwest. Various issues have delayed the introduction of those cars in service, although an Amtrak official said in June that the cars could begin operation as early as late this month.

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PostJul 09, 2021#978

^ Thanks for posting,  I believe as per creation of the Amtrak that the Freight Railroads have to provide right of way and prioritize Amtrak trains by law already.

Understanding that a lot of this executive order language is common in that is encourages or recommends to the various agencies to do this or that and like most executive orders can't change laws & get tied up in courts whether they came form Obama, Trump and now Biden.  My two cents is that it all becomes a show.   Rather see POTUS and VP spending their time getting compromises worked out in Congress.   

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PostJul 09, 2021#979

I guess the point is to get the Surface Transportation Board to enforce it.

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PostJul 12, 2021#980

dredger wrote:
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^ Thanks for posting,  I believe as per creation of the Amtrak that the Freight Railroads have to provide right of way and prioritize Amtrak trains by law already.

Understanding that a lot of this executive order language is common in that is encourages or recommends to the various agencies to do this or that and like most executive orders can't change laws & get tied up in courts whether they came form Obama, Trump and now Biden.  My two cents is that it all becomes a show.   Rather see POTUS and VP spending their time getting compromises worked out in Congress.   
I'm not sure that's quite correct. Per the Amtrak Reform Council's Executive Summary of 2000 the Rail Passenger Service Act "granted Amtrak the right to use tracks, facilities and services of freight railroads in providing passenger services and to compensate the freight railroads at the incremental cost level. RPSA, sec.305. Amtrak was also granted preference over freight railroads in regard to track use." The thing has been amended and updated many times since, but I'm not aware of any requirement that the railroads provide any right of way beyond what they maintain anyway. And while there is quite a bit of review required before the railroads can sell or abandon a right of way I've never gotten the impression there's remotely so much review if all the want to do is alter existing right of way. (Like single-tracking a formerly double-track main, for instance. Or eliminating sidings.) The freight railroads may be required to provide access, but they're not required to make it easy.
UP, for instance, operates directionally across western Missouri's Sedalia and River subs. As a result they have very little need for passing sidings, since the two lines functionally become a double-track line. Since two freights never have to meet train lengths become nearly infinite. But Amtrak operates through Sedalia in both directions. And once UP started running trains longer than the sidings sometime in the 90s guess who got the hole? (You can't really argue with physics. Hey, they provided access. Even wrong direction access!) The solution was easy enough: government grant money paid for extensions to the sidings making things work more smoothly again. (Related grants paid to double-track bridges across the Osage and Gasconade on the Jeff City sub.) All of this is very similar in concept to the stuff going on right now in Illinois related to higher speeds there.

Anyway, all of this has been said before. In the end, you're correct that executive orders mean less than legislation, but I do think they make a difference to how executive agencies like the STB conduct their daily business. If the new STB director says "providing passenger right of way is a priority" then maybe they look at a proposed merger that creates parallel subdivisions in a somewhat less favorable light. After all, the newly merged road would have a very strong incentive to get rid of "excess" right of way. (Or even just make it more efficient . . . and less useful to Amtrak.)

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PostJul 14, 2021#981

Lincoln Service and Missouri River Runner will be back at full schedule starting this Monday:
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/sta ... 5e7b2.html

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PostJul 14, 2021#982

I rode the Lincoln Service to Chicago this weekend, with the new speeds, and I thought it was chugging along at points. 

The train arrived ~25 minutes ahead of schedule. 

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PostJul 14, 2021#983

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I rode the Lincoln Service to Chicago this weekend, with the new speeds, and I thought it was chugging along at points. 

The train arrived ~25 minutes ahead of schedule. 
Now that you mention it, my most memorable delays were all in weekday travel. Maybe fewer freight trains to pull off for on the weekend? (Speed upgrades notwithstanding)

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PostJul 31, 2021#985

Two things. The speed upgrade doesn't seem to have helped Amtrak's on-time performance STL-CHI.

Secondly, Brightline sure does get a lot of pub for a rail line that's been shut down since last March and with no plans to restart until at least the end of this year. I guess these are the style-before-substance times we live in.

I rode it January pre-pandemic and couldn't fathom how much money they were throwing away running trains with like four passengers per car.

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PostAug 06, 2021#987

chris fuller wrote:
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Who wants efficient passenger rail?

https://www.econlib.org/who-wants-efficient-passenger-rail/
^A blogger posting about another blogger's blog post, with their primary contribution being that they'd "favor a project that used zero American workers" and advocating for a "high speed rail project [that] would be 100% immune from all environmental laws and regulations." How asinine.

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PostAug 06, 2021#988

I hadn’t noticed this in Amtrak’s service expansion plan… 1 Lincoln Service each day would continue on to KC.

So with this…
To Chicago: 5 (4 Lincoln Service, 1 Texas Eagle)
To Kansas City: 3 (2 MO River Runner, 1 LS.)
To Little Rock: 1 (SB Texas Eagle)

Total: 9 departures daily.



I’m never an advocate for building parking garages… but I wouldn’t mind the City taking the surface lot from the USPS to build a public garage at the Gateway Center. These expanded services could help.

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PostAug 06, 2021#989

^ Nice spot!  Would be great to get some additional service across Missouri.  I think your idea for a garage at Gateway makes perfect sense too.  Even right now.

Put it here:

Maybe a little retail (light blue) for passengers and potentially Union Station and Enterprise patrons.  Would open the other lots around them for development too.  Reconnect Spruce to 18th.  Honestly I say go for broke and build apartments on top.  Enterprise Center and Union Station, plus all of its attractions, are right there and the MLS stadium would be an easy walk.  Some sizable employers around.  And most importantly...a MetroLink stop.

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PostAug 06, 2021#990

addxb2 wrote:
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I hadn’t noticed this in Amtrak’s service expansion plan… 1 Lincoln Service each day would continue on to KC.

So with this…
To Chicago: 5 (4 Lincoln Service, 1 Texas Eagle)
To Kansas City: 3 (2 MO River Runner, 1 LS.)
To Little Rock: 1 (SB Texas Eagle)

Total: 9 departures daily.



I’m never an advocate for building parking garages… but I wouldn’t mind the City taking the surface lot from the USPS to build a public garage at the Gateway Center. These expanded services could help.
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PostAug 06, 2021#991

STL gateway station could use a wait room expansion. Maybe double or triple the seats

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PostAug 06, 2021#992

wabash wrote:
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chris fuller wrote:
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Who wants efficient passenger rail?

https://www.econlib.org/who-wants-efficient-passenger-rail/
^A blogger posting about another blogger's blog post, with their primary contribution being that they'd "favor a project that used zero American workers" and advocating for a "high speed rail project [that] would be 100% immune from all environmental laws and regulations." How asinine.
I stopped reading at "The US spends 18% on healthcare". 18% of what???

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PostAug 06, 2021#993

He meant 18% of GDP (https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/cha ... -1970-2019), but Scott Sumner is well known as a libertarian/Koch-brothers controlled hack in academic economics circles, nobody really takes him seriously.

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^ Nice spot!  Would be great to get some additional service across Missouri.  I think your idea for a garage at Gateway makes perfect sense too.  Even right now.

Put it here:

Maybe a little retail (light blue) for passengers and potentially Union Station and Enterprise patrons.  Would open the other lots around them for development too.  Reconnect Spruce to 18th.  Honestly I say go for broke and build apartments on top.  Enterprise Center and Union Station, plus all of its attractions, are right there and the MLS stadium would be an easy walk.  Some sizable employers around.  And most importantly...a MetroLink stop.
The dream.

Wish Blues ownership would have taken that $100m taxpayers gave them for upgrades to EC and started their own version of BPV on at least one of the lots.  Just a 2+5 building with apartments, a couple pubs, etc.  Really, between that, Municipal Courts, their parking lot redeveloped, it's all we need to jumpstart that entire area.

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PostAug 06, 2021#995

addxb2 wrote:
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I hadn’t noticed this in Amtrak’s service expansion plan… 1 Lincoln Service each day would continue on to KC.

So with this…
To Chicago: 5 (4 Lincoln Service, 1 Texas Eagle)
To Kansas City: 3 (2 MO River Runner, 1 LS.)
To Little Rock: 1 (SB Texas Eagle)

Total: 9 departures daily.



I’m never an advocate for building parking garages… but I wouldn’t mind the City taking the surface lot from the USPS to build a public garage at the Gateway Center. These expanded services could help.
Now the region  just needs to advocate for return of the original River Runner - daily each way from KC to New Orleans via Stl & Memphis.   Somewhat of Y between KC, Chicago & New Orleans w St Louis in the middle

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PostAug 07, 2021#996

^That would be lovely!

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PostAug 08, 2021#997

ldai_phs wrote:
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STL gateway station could use a wait room expansion. Maybe double or triple the seats
I've only been through it a handful of times. Never thought it was really crowded, but I guess it depends on the time of day and time of year you pass through.

PostAug 08, 2021#998

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Interior of Siemens Venture for Amtrak Midwest

Look for the new rail cars to go into service beginning in August. As for when, I was told early to middle August (so first half). Here's a video of the new cars passing through Downtown at the end of April.
The new Venture cars have been pushed back a bit after a water supply issue. It was found that there was a bad amount of lead found in the water systems on the Venture trainsets, so certain systems will be replaced before these go into service. Amtrak's Missouri River Runner representative says, with confidence, that we should see them enter service this fall. As for when in the fall, didn't say. The personal desire is September or early October. Just depends on how fast the trains can be fixed, tested, and certified.

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PostAug 08, 2021#999

Chris, do you know if the new cars are replacing 100% of the Illinois & Missouri fleet? If you ride after these are launched, could you still get an old car?

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addxb2 wrote:
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Chris, do you know if the new cars are replacing 100% of the Illinois & Missouri fleet? If you ride after these are launched, could you still get an old car?
The Missouri River Runner uses just three passenger coaches (two normal + 1 cafe/business combo) and there are only two round trips a day, so I expect the 6 in-use coaches to be replaced with the Venture coaches when they enter service. Not sure about how many coaches the Lincoln Service has, but I imagine it will still be the case there. When they launch though, it probably wont be an overnight rollout. I'd say no more than two weeks after launch, you'll be guaranteed a ride on one of the new coaches.

So in short, yes. All coaches will be replaced with the Venture rail cars when they enter service. Just in Missouri, you'll have the old ones tagging along because of the minimum axle requirements.

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