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PostMay 18, 2021#2426

^I like the idea of City SC improving soccer fields around town, but they also need to get their own fields up and running and get some revenue flowing to achieve viability and be a reasonable, potential funding source. 

Hopefully they're in a position to take on similar initiatives as the Cardinals (who are obviously a much bigger business than any MLS team), but that's going to take time. I guess it's easy to equate all things Enterprise/Taylor Family with local philanthropy because of their incredible tradition of generosity. There's no reason to think City SC will be any different, but they need a chance to get up on their own two feet before too much is expected or demanded of its charitable activities. 

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And the reason I put this in the MLS thread is because, as I said, CITY sponsorship of some public soccer fields around the CITY would seem to me to dovetail perfectly with their ostensible community outreach and youth development goals. Plus, they are a reasonable, viable, and perhaps, the only, potential funding source for a decent upgrade to these neglected fields...

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PostMay 18, 2021#2428

urbanitas wrote:
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gone corporate wrote:
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^The DeSoto Soccer Fields are intended to be redeveloped as a Rugby Stadium as part of Northside Regeneration, which has recently been made public. Perhaps this discussion would be better under that thread than the MLS thread. Still, I hope some new work's been done on the fields since these satellite photos were taken. 
You mean Paul McKee's "vision" for a city-owned park? 🙄  Wait...was that sarcasm? I can never tell...

Anyway, while we are waiting decades for McKee's visions to materialize, it could serve as a public soccer field or fields.  For that matter, there's no reason I can see that an upgraded, lighted, and well-maintained public soccer field couldn't accommodate a rugby field as well.  
A rugby field would be pretty cool, I think it's an under-recognized sport in this country that it'd be nice to get more people into. But I'm agreed that if we're counting on McKee to make it happen, I think it's fair to say that it won't. I will say that making it a rugby/soccer field is usually not a good combination unless it's artificial turf, one or the other is best. Basically rugby (or football) cleats really tear up a playing surface which isn't a big deal for the players running over it, but really hurts the playability of a soccer ball rolling across it in any sort of predictable path.

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PostMay 18, 2021#2429

On a bit of a tangent, St. Louis Scott Gallagher's USL2 team starts play tonight at Soccer Park. Some of the kids on this team could end up being homegrown MLS players for City in 2 years.

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PostMay 18, 2021#2430

Without putting my hopes behind McKee and Northside Regeneration actually doing what they've said they're doing, let me just state again that the DeSoto Park site is planned to be a rugby stadium, a whole redevelopment of the property. Maybe it will happen, maybe not. Meanwhile, I'll patiently wait for our MLS team to get some more steps done in actually becoming tangible before asking that they fix up all the soccer fields around the City. I bet they'll do plenty of this in time, maybe we're asking too much to say we expect them to fix up every field right now. 

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Without putting my hopes behind McKee and Northside Regeneration actually doing what they've said they're doing, let me just state again that the DeSoto Park site is planned to be a rugby stadium, a whole redevelopment of the property. Maybe it will happen, maybe not. Meanwhile, I'll patiently wait for our MLS team to get some more steps done in actually becoming tangible before asking that they fix up all the soccer fields around the City. I bet they'll do plenty of this in time, maybe we're asking too much to say we expect them to fix up every field right now. 
Sorry thinking about these two fields was a dumb idea.

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^Well, I wouldn't say that. We all have the same goals in mind looking ahead; I'm personally just trying to stay patient and appreciative while we all wait for things to come more into being (this past year forced learning to be patient). But, yeah, think we've run our course with DeSoto Park for now. Cheers dude. 

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^Well, I wouldn't say that. We all have the same goals in mind looking ahead; I'm personally just trying to stay patient and appreciative while we all wait for things to come more into being (this past year forced learning to be patient). But, yeah, think we've run our course with DeSoto Park for now. Cheers dude. 
I eagerly await the soon-to-be built rugby fields there and will shut up about soccer.

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PostMay 18, 2021#2434

The Taylor's and the Kavanaugh's are under no responsibility to maintain the city's public parks or athletic fields for them.

Has anyone here been to DeSoto Park within the last week and seen it in person?  Or are some of you calling it "neglected" because of a Google screenshot?  Provided the goals, fields, walking paths, benches, and other things are being maintained by the city, what's the problem?  It seems to work well for the adult leagues that have regularly used it for years.  Not every public athletic facility has to have the same amenities as an MLS training compound or even Forest Park's Central Fields.  This is a small neighborhood park...not a regional destination.

Does anyone else find this whole thing a little humorous?  One user posts an old Google satellite shot of nearby fields with an "lol, um, oh man..." as if it was some sort of gotcha moment.  Ridiculous.  DeSoto Park and it's fields are the responsibility of the city.  If they want to start a public campaign to restore parks and athletic fields (similar to the campaigns carried out by Forest Park Forever, Tower Grove, GRG, etc.) and solicit donations from the private sector, then so be it.  I have no doubt the Taylor's and others would provide funding, much as they have to those and many other foundations.  If the Taylor's want to approach the city and throw some MORE money at things, like these fields, then so be it.  But honestly some of these comments here read like a small handful of you are just looking for things to get upset about.

Never mind that their eventual youth programs will probably include things like creating spaces to play in neighborhoods anyway lol:
St. Louis City SC’s academy model will eventually expand to include a total of four youth teams, plus an under-21 development team.

The organization also plans to provide free community training to kids under 13, create more green spaces in neighborhoods and develop programs to train coaches at high schools and other youth clubs.
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/sports/ ... th-academy

Cool off and let them get their team and stadium built first.

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The Taylor's and the Kavanaugh's are under no responsibility to maintain the city's public parks or athletic fields for them.

Has anyone here been to DeSoto Park within the last week and seen it in person?  Or are some of you calling it "neglected" because of a Google screenshot?  Provided the goals, fields, walking paths, benches, and other things are being maintained by the city, what's the problem?  It seems to work well for the adult leagues that have regularly used it for years.  Not every public athletic facility has to have the same amenities as an MLS training compound or even Forest Park's Central Fields.  This is a small neighborhood park...not a regional destination.

Does anyone else find this whole thing a little humorous?  One user posts an old Google satellite shot of nearby fields with an "lol, um, oh man..." as if it was some sort of gotcha moment.  Ridiculous.  DeSoto Park and it's fields are the responsibility of the city.  If they want to start a public campaign to restore parks and athletic fields (similar to the campaigns carried out by Forest Park Forever, Tower Grove, GRG, etc.) and solicit donations from the private sector, then so be it.  I have no doubt the Taylor's and others would provide funding, much as they have to those and many other foundations.  If the Taylor's want to approach the city and throw some MORE money at things, like these fields, then so be it.  But honestly some of these comments here read like a small handful of you are just looking for things to get upset about.

Never mind that their eventual youth programs will probably include things like creating spaces to play in neighborhoods anyway lol:

Cool off and let them get their team and stadium built first.
Yes, I go by the field pretty much every weekend and see what is going on there. This last weekend I even had to stop for a ball that was kicked into the street and got wedged under my front bumper. The fields aren't bad: but they could be better and feature some amenities that other city park sport fields have.

And you say that we are trying a "gotcha!" or demanding current action. All I was saying that IF the Taylors and Kavanaughs in the future were to institute a program to help soccer fields (like the Cardinals do with baseball and the Blues do with hockey) that DeSoto park should be at the top of the list at that time. I'm not demanding it right now and I don't feel that it was an outlandish idea to float. 

However I apologize if this seems like too much and offended you in some way. If I can correct this further or clarify the statement(s) that upset anyone, please let me know.

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PostMay 19, 2021#2436

I mean when the group took millions in tax breaks I think they could throw a bone to a some public parks to spruce up soccer fields

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PostMay 19, 2021#2437

dweebe wrote:
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sc4mayor wrote:
May 18, 2021
The Taylor's and the Kavanaugh's are under no responsibility to maintain the city's public parks or athletic fields for them.

Has anyone here been to DeSoto Park within the last week and seen it in person?  Or are some of you calling it "neglected" because of a Google screenshot?  Provided the goals, fields, walking paths, benches, and other things are being maintained by the city, what's the problem?  It seems to work well for the adult leagues that have regularly used it for years.  Not every public athletic facility has to have the same amenities as an MLS training compound or even Forest Park's Central Fields.  This is a small neighborhood park...not a regional destination.

Does anyone else find this whole thing a little humorous?  One user posts an old Google satellite shot of nearby fields with an "lol, um, oh man..." as if it was some sort of gotcha moment.  Ridiculous.  DeSoto Park and it's fields are the responsibility of the city.  If they want to start a public campaign to restore parks and athletic fields (similar to the campaigns carried out by Forest Park Forever, Tower Grove, GRG, etc.) and solicit donations from the private sector, then so be it.  I have no doubt the Taylor's and others would provide funding, much as they have to those and many other foundations.  If the Taylor's want to approach the city and throw some MORE money at things, like these fields, then so be it.  But honestly some of these comments here read like a small handful of you are just looking for things to get upset about.

Never mind that their eventual youth programs will probably include things like creating spaces to play in neighborhoods anyway lol:

Cool off and let them get their team and stadium built first.
Yes, I go by the field pretty much every weekend and see what is going on there. This last weekend I even had to stop for a ball that was kicked into the street and got wedged under my front bumper. The fields aren't bad: but they could be better and feature some amenities that other city park sport fields have.

And you say that we are trying a "gotcha!" or demanding current action. All I was saying that IF the Taylors and Kavanaughs in the future were to institute a program to help soccer fields (like the Cardinals do with baseball and the Blues do with hockey) that DeSoto park should be at the top of the list at that time. I'm not demanding it right now and I don't feel that it was an outlandish idea to float. 

However I apologize if this seems like too much and offended you in some way. If I can correct this further or clarify the statement(s) that upset anyone, please let me know.
My comments weren't really directed at you...

To, yet again, share what I said on the previous page:
sc4mayor wrote:^ I imagine something like that will be included in this:
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/sports/ ... th-academy
St. Louis City SC’s academy model will eventually expand to include a total of four youth teams, plus an under-21 development team.

The organization also plans to provide free community training to kids under 13, create more green spaces in neighborhoods and develop programs to train coaches at high schools and other youth clubs.
I think these programs will have a very sizable effect on building the game across St. Louis.

But I certainly don’t have a problem with the Taylor’s doing even more...

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PostMay 19, 2021#2438

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I mean when the group took millions in tax breaks I think they could throw a bone to a some public parks to spruce up soccer fields
Grants for field improvements is not unheard of. In our youth municipal league every year one of the coaches is tasked with submitting paperwork to USA Soccer for a grant. Supposedly we got one last year that would have been a grant for grass replacement and drainage improvement, but the news came to us right when the pandemic was starting. I haven't heard what happened to it.

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PostMay 21, 2021#2439

I would expect that once the team is established they will start funding high quality, team branded, soccer fields within our park system just like the Cardinals. IE Fox Park.

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PostJun 24, 2021#2440

St. Louis City will launch team in new MLS development league next year
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/soccer/ ... cd47c.html
St. Louis City SC, the local Major League Soccer expansion team, won’t start play until 2023 but will be active before then. The club will have an under-17 and under-16 academy team starting this fall and, it was announced Monday, a team in the MLS developmental league that will start in March of 2022.

“St. Louis is really well poised to take advantage of what a lower-division league affords us in timing and as part of the build toward the first team in 2023,” said Vin Ko, director of team operations for City.

The league, as yet unnamed and with only a few details revealed, will serve as a bridge between MLS Next, the youth league in which the academy teams will compete, and MLS itself. It will consist of team‘s owned by MLS clubs and teams not affiliated with MLS.

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PostJun 24, 2021#2441

Sounds like MLS is bypassing the USL leagues to make it's own minor league system.

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PostJun 24, 2021#2442

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Sounds like MLS is bypassing the USL leagues to make it's own minor league system.
It sounds like a youth league, maybe not exactly that?

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PostJun 24, 2021#2443

MarkHaversham wrote:
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npav wrote:
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Sounds like MLS is bypassing the USL leagues to make it's own minor league system.
It sounds like a youth league, maybe not exactly that?
No age limits for the new league and it’s considered pro. I am sure it skews young though.

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PostJul 14, 2021#2444

St. Louis City SC unveils Together Credit Union as team's second major corporate sponsor
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 0#cxrecs_s
City SC’s Kindle Betz said the deep St. Louis ties of each of its first two corporate partners is a credit to the region and its corporate culture. 

“We have great local corporations. To be able to find these partnerships, where even though we’re new, we’re still using the history and the traditions of St. Louis, what a great story to tell people around the world," she said. "Our first two founding partners started here, they have been successful here, (have) the history here. It’s an opportunity I think for the whole entire region to tell the story."

Kindle Betz said City SC expects to announce additional corporate partnerships by year’s end. That could include a stadium naming rights deal, she said.

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PostJul 14, 2021#2445

sc4mayor wrote:
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St. Louis City SC unveils Together Credit Union as team's second major corporate sponsor
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 0#cxrecs_s
City SC’s Kindle Betz said the deep St. Louis ties of each of its first two corporate partners is a credit to the region and its corporate culture. 

“We have great local corporations. To be able to find these partnerships, where even though we’re new, we’re still using the history and the traditions of St. Louis, what a great story to tell people around the world," she said. "Our first two founding partners started here, they have been successful here, (have) the history here. It’s an opportunity I think for the whole entire region to tell the story."

Kindle Betz said City SC expects to announce additional corporate partnerships by year’s end. That could include a stadium naming rights deal, she said.
Good to see the local corporate community behind this. WWT, Enterprise, Purina, Together Credit Union now in some shape or form.
This is one of the most organised expansion efforts I've seen in any league. Stadium making great progress, local leadership from big business, corporate sponsors being lined up already, establishing some of the front office structure as well and its still two years till they kick a ball.
I'm curious about media rights. I'm guessing BSMW and 101 will be the front runners.

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PostJul 14, 2021#2446

Whew!   When I first saw the press release, I thought they were announcing stadium naming rights.  Together Credit Union Stadium would have sucked hard...

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PostJul 15, 2021#2447

St. Louis City SC also made a significant hire this week but it doesn't seem to have made it to the mainstream media yet.

JOHN HACKWORTH JOINS ST. LOUIS CITY SC

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PostJul 15, 2021#2448

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Whew!   When I first saw the press release, I thought they were announcing stadium naming rights.  Together Credit Union Stadium would have sucked hard...
My guess would be Bayer.

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PostJul 15, 2021#2449

^Very likely. I'd also think Emerson, an Anheuser-Busch brand, or (big guess) Square. 

Then again, it's Enterprise behind this, so they could encourage any car manufacturer they buy from to put up for this. 

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PostJul 15, 2021#2450

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^Very likely. I'd also think Emerson, an Anheuser-Busch brand, or (big guess) Square. 

Then again, it's Enterprise behind this, so they could encourage any car manufacturer they buy from to put up for this. 
Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but CITY's vision has always been very pro-St. Louis and to bring that vision to the international stage.  Plus, there seems to be a lot of links to Germany with their academy coaching staff...and Bayer owns Bayer Leverkusen in the Bundesliga. 

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