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St. Louis: A City of Row Houses

St. Louis: A City of Row Houses

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PostApr 26, 2021#1

Great read in nextSTL about STL’s historic and gorgeous row homes.  Lots of good pictures too.  I don't know if Nathan Jackson floats around here, but well done.
https://nextstl.com/2021/04/st-louis-th ... ouse-city/

Figured I’d start a thread with this if anyone wanted to share their own row house pics...I know I’ve got tons.  Here is one from Fox Park:


Couple from Soulard:




One from Lafayette Square:


Benton Park:


Lasalle Park:

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PostApr 27, 2021#2

I was rather surprised the Steins Street row didn't make the article. But anyway, here's a few of my own.

A pair of mixed use rows on Broadway in Carondelet.




I don't know that I'd call every commercial strip with apartments above the shops row houses, but these seem pretty clear examples. I'd be willing to bet some of them were exclusively residential at one point, but it was economically advantageous to rent out part of the front of the first floor as a shop. That sort of thing is still incredibly common in denser cities in Europe and Asia. My wife's parents' house is basically an example. It was built as a typical Vietnamese vernacular row house, but the city expanded their street and it got busier, so they added a room onto the front where the garden had been to rent out to a dressmaker. What's really fun is where windows have been enclosed. A second floor bedroom window that probably opened onto a residential back yard at one time now opens in the storage space of a restaurant. (At least until the restaurant is demolished and replaced with a three story clothing shop or some such.) 

A pair of survivors on Courtois: also in Carondelet.


A few on and around Cherokee




A couple on 7th south of the brewery. (Hiding behind the old South Broadway Athletic Club.)


Here's a feature I find particularly interesting: A Mousehole. I think passages like this are pretty rare anywhere, but there are several in Soulard passing completely through street facing row houses to give street access to houses on the interior of the lot or alley houses behind them.


I'm sure there are other places that have them, but ours are the only ones I have personally witnessed. (Even though I've spent plenty of time in other places with row houses: Germany, Vietnam, and the UK for instance.)

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PostApr 27, 2021#3

St. Louis has some really nice row houses, but detached houses are not row houses.

For example, not row houses:



Most of these are not row houses:



These are definitely not row houses:


And maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that zero space between two separately built structures is necessarily equivalent to row houses either. I wouldn't call these row houses:





Anyway, others may disagree. Functionally, I'm not that enamored with long stretches of row houses à la Baltimore. But shorter stretches like St. Louis' are lovely. I'm still more partial to St. Louis's beautiful stock of detached almost-row-houses, though.

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PostApr 27, 2021#4

^ I'm not sure I would agree, even though I understand that the exact dictionary definition considers row/terraced housing to be attached with party walls.  I just think it's a little presumptuous to define them all that way considering the amount of different styles of urban homes in this country.  

Not that my personal definition means anything to anyone, but I generally consider row homes to be homes that share a common look, facade, design, and setback.  The Harris Row and my picture from Russell are quintessential St. Louis row houses, in my humble opinion.  No, they may not be attached like in Baltimore or Philly...but it's a common row of buildings with little space in between them on tight urban lots with similar facades, brickwork, setbacks, etc.  I think your average person would call those row homes, tbh.  

For what it's worth I am with you in that I prefer St. Louis' detached row homes over the more basic looking attached rows in Baltimore or Philly.  But the architecture lover in me still gets a little flutter when I come across one of these in St. Louis ;)


Anyway, not here to argue since you're actually right.  I just don't agree with that rather narrow definition.  I do agree in that attached storefronts do not qualify as row homes, even if they've been converted to residential, except maybe in the above image where you'd have a corner commercial space attached to the row of homes.

@synphonicpoet, love the pics!  Keep em coming.  Also, feel free to share any more cool little details like the mousehole, hadn't seen that before!  Here are a few more of mine.  Starting with a few from Lafayette Square:








Some detached row homes along Shenandoah:


Lafayette Avenue:


More Russell:


And last but not least, a little Baltimore action in South St. Louis:

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PostApr 28, 2021#5

New Town:





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PostApr 28, 2021#6

^ Those...are actually kinda nice.

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PostApr 28, 2021#7

The street along the central canal in New Town is pretty incredible now that the trees are grown in. One of the main reasons people find New Town creepy is because of how well it's designed. DPZ's attention to detail and knowledge of street width and setback proportions is unmatched. 

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PostApr 28, 2021#8

^ Yeah, location aside...it's pretty solid looking.  Wouldn't mind some infill like that in some city neighborhoods (not that there isn't some already, but still).  Particularly like the three story rows (not crazy about the color though), gives a bit of a DC vibe.

I read this in the PD this morning and learned something I didn't know.  For those familiar with Lafayette Square you might know the detached row of "triplets" on Kennett Place.  I've come to call them the "Kennett Three."  Apparently all three had mansard roofs that were lopped off in the great cyclone of 1896.




Here is a photo of a maquette the owner's daughter made showing what the house may have looked like with its mansard roof.


Cool stuff.  This home (far left in my photos) will be on the house tour next month.

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PostApr 28, 2021#9

I must say I’m glad to see New Town getting some love on this forum. It hasn’t always been that way in the past. I agree I love the look of those row houses in New Town. And the layout of the neighborhood, the setbacks, the canals... all of them close to perfect. Although once you look inside the homes, there isn’t anything special. Most of the ones I’ve seen for sale look like your typical suburban American home... beige carpet, beige walls, cheap cabinets, laminate flooring. Below is a prime example. Looks great on the outside; On the inside... barf.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3588 ... e=txtshare

There are, however, a handful of $500k to $1mil homes in New Town that have excellent craftsmanship inside.


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PostApr 28, 2021#10

I find New Town creepy not because of how perfect it is. I find it creepy because the residents there all seem like they live in a utopian cult. Everyone is too friendly and everyone wants to talk. They all stare at you when you drive through the development. They all want to help you. They all want the feel of an urban area that's not urban at all. They want to feel cultured but aren't. 

Like it's best if y'all mind your own damn business.

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PostApr 28, 2021#11

chriss752 wrote:
Apr 28, 2021
I find New Town creepy not because of how perfect it is. I find it creepy because the residents there all seem like they live in a utopian cult. Everyone is too friendly and everyone wants to talk. They all stare at you when you drive through the development. They all want to help you.
God forbid they try and get to know their neighbors and create a friendly and welcoming community...come on, Chris.  People do the same to me when I visit Lafayette Square too.  I don't even live there and run into people I know on the street.  One of the many, many reasons I love that neighborhood.  Even happens in my parents subdivision in West County.  If you don't like people and want everyone to keep their head down and "mind their own damn business" maybe get some land in the country.

Anyway, to keep this thread on topic...here are some more neat rows in St. Louis.  The famous, detached, Harris Row on 18th Street.


I believe these are on Rutger:


North Side:




Lasalle Park/Bohemian Hill:


More Lafayette Square:






Some attached and detached rows along Sidney Street:

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PostApr 28, 2021#12

This kind of faux-row house is springing up all over commuter towns in the Hudson Valley. Here are some examples in Tarrytown NY:
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PostApr 29, 2021#13

^If we could infill of that quality to replace everything that we've lost we'll be doing okay.

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PostApr 30, 2021#14

The row house at 1204 S. 18th is for sale...it's going viral on Zillow right now because of the wild interior:
https://photos.riverfronttimes.com/the- ... =1&18th-01

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PostApr 30, 2021#15

kipfilet wrote:
Apr 28, 2021
This kind of faux-row house is springing up all over commuter towns in the Hudson Valley. Here are some examples in Tarrytown NY:
There's a similar set in University Place, at 900 N. Hanley (not as elaborately detailed, of course). This compact infill neighborhood has lots of density, with tightly-packed single-family homes, tiny entrance gardens and yards, and garages served by alleys in the rear. 



Rowhouses circled:


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PostApr 30, 2021#16

Saw this yesterday - pretty fun row house graphic. 


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PostApr 30, 2021#17

^ Ooh, that’s very cool.  Would love to see a similar work with the different urban vernaculars around St. Louis.

I saw one on Reddit (not row homes, but it was awesome nonetheless) of several different types of city houses with their basements visible.  I’ll have to see if I can find it.

Edit:  Found it.  It was done by a local artist named Doug Weaver.  Utterly incredible.  Unfortunately it’s a private job and there are no prints :(

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PostApr 30, 2021#18

Oh wow, that's great! I just sent him a message to see if he has any prints. :) 

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PostApr 30, 2021#19

^ If he buckles and gets you one...let me know haha.  I'd be willing to pay top dollar!  He said in his Reddit post that he doesn't do prints, but I'd be willing to bet he could make some serious coin with this one in this town.

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PostApr 30, 2021#20

framer wrote:
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kipfilet wrote:
Apr 28, 2021
This kind of faux-row house is springing up all over commuter towns in the Hudson Valley. Here are some examples in Tarrytown NY:
There's a similar set in University Place, at 900 N. Hanley (not as elaborately detailed, of course). This compact infill neighborhood has lots of density, with tightly-packed single-family homes, tiny entrance gardens and yards, and garages served by alleys in the rear. 
I've driven by that 100 times and never noticed it.  But I agree, a really nice development indeed.  Dense, walkable, good parks, good setbacks, nearby the schools, etc.  Like you said the architecture is a little blah (though some of those single family homes in there are quite attractive looking from what I can tell on the satellite view) but a solid development for an inner-ring suburb regardless.

Here is another in Richmond Heights.  This one leaves A LOT to be desired, but I won't get too upset over denser, more walkable housing popping up next to transit stations in suburban St. Louis.  This one could use better design, some trees (which could be there now, Google hasn't updated this area in quite some time) and narrower streets, but better than a big box store or a car dealership (cough, Sunnen, cough).



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PostMay 01, 2021#21

Was cleaning out some old collections this afternoon and came across a few more good ones.  All three of the Old Frenchtown neighborhoods are represented in these.









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PostMay 08, 2021#22

Not your traditional row homes but some here are aerial shots I snapped back in 2016 of some dense South Side neighborhoods:





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PostJul 10, 2021#23

Neat walking tour video from Nathan Jackson in Benton Park:

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PostJul 27, 2021#24

Another nice video from Nathan Jackson about Lafayette Square (Part 1).  Discovering Lafayette Square is when I fell in love with St. Louis and I thought I had most of the neighborhood and its story down pat...lots of great history in here I didn't know though.  Like the large brewery that fell to the 44/55 interchange.

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PostAug 11, 2021#25

I've always liked these CWE infill projects...

On Pershing:


And on Waterman:

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