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Progress photos from today.

• South Building's basement parking level now mostly covered in concrete. Steel is also laying on the ground waiting to be erected. No sign of a crane base anywhere, so I'm starting to think this building won't use one (but I still have hope for one). The concrete part of the elevator shaft has gone up. The remaining floors on the elevator shaft will be made of cinderblock (much like the AC Hotel or Verve).
• North Building has the formwork for the elevator shaft taking place. A wall has gone up along the alley.

Did they really have to completely block the street in front of those last five houses on De Giverville? Sheesh. 

No picture, but the steel structure going up for the South Building. I knew this was going to have na impact, but I didn't know it would be as impactful as its shaping up to be. 

Yeah, I was sitting at De Baliviere and Forest Park today, and saw the steelwork. It's gonna loom much closer and much larger than I realized. 

framer wrote: ↑

Jan 21, 2021

Did they really have to completely block the street in front of those last five houses on De Giverville? Sheesh. 

It certainly sends a message to residents.

throatybeard wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2021

framer wrote: ↑

Jan 21, 2021

Did they really have to completely block the street in front of those last five houses on De Giverville? Sheesh. 

It certainly sends a message to residents.

As well as access to their alley, and thus garages and dumpsters, from the east. 

I wonder how all those homes along DeGiverville and the south side of Waterman get trash and recycling service with the alleys blocked? Or what if utilities or the fire department needed emergency access? There doesn't seem to be any place for large trucks to turn around, unless they back all the way in...?

The alley on the south side was already blocked. Garbage trucks had to back all the way in there. I haven't heard whether they'll reconnect the alley.

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Feb 01, 2021

throatybeard wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2021

framer wrote: ↑

Jan 21, 2021

Did they really have to completely block the street in front of those last five houses on De Giverville? Sheesh. 

It certainly sends a message to residents.

As well as access to their alley, and thus garages and dumpsters, from the east. 

I wonder how all those homes along DeGiverville and the south side of Waterman get trash and recycling service with the alleys blocked? Or what if utilities or the fire department needed emergency access? There doesn't seem to be any place for large trucks to turn around, unless they back all the way in...?

I'm on the south side of Waterman. In August/September, santitation told us they would change us to street pickup, then proceeded to actually empty the street pull carts only about half the time they said they would, started to confiscate some of the alley dumpsters, dumped them in the middle of the "flatiron" intersection. Left those there a long time. After about six weeks or so of that, they recanted and sent us back to alley pickup and confiscated the pull carts.

I don't understand how they're getting the truck in the alley but they're doing it. I can't back up the whole damn alley in a tiny Lexus CT, and have to make about a 77-point turn to get into my garage. The vehicle we park on the street had its catalytic converter stolen three weeks ago. So I don't recommend street parking.

I wish nothing but eternal ill on the developers responsible for this, they have demonstrated what kind of people they are, and that's as polite as I can be about them.

You mention emergency access--they have absolutely no compunction about denying people that, and it's absolutely amazing that the trash is being collected. There you have some human beings with basic decency--the sanitation folks.

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Feb 07, 2020

From page 9. Is this site plan accurate or no, or maybe we still don't know...?

It looks like access to the alley between Waterman and DeGiverville is open, at least to the north. And, I don't see any reason the alley south of DeGiverville couldn't be accessed using that service drive.


Anyway, obviously this shows a cul-de-sac at DeGiverville. I thought I had that connection would be restored, but if this is still the plan, at least it appears as though it's designed to be reconnected later.

urbanitas wrote:

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Feb 07, 2020

From page 9. Is this site plan accurate or no, or maybe we still don't know...?

It looks like access to the alley between Waterman and DeGiverville is open, at least to the north. And, I don't see any reason the alley south of DeGiverville couldn't be accessed using that service drive.


Anyway, obviously this shows a cul-de-sac at DeGiverville. I thought I had that connection would be restored, but if this is still the plan, at least it appears as though it's designed to be reconnected later.

Nah, there was never any plan to reopen that to cars. When the entrance to the garage was on DeBaliviere originally, I believe that was going to be a plaza for people, but pushback forced the garage onto DeGiverville. But they were never going to make that a through street to care, only pedestrians/cyclists.


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Progress update...

More steel!

Is this actually gonna be all-steel construction? Or, more likely, wood frame on top of a steel podium? 

quincunx wrote:The strip mall wasn't great, had issues, and I loathed its auto-orientation, but defunct is an exaggeration. Also I disagree that 5 years ago you could get real estate for 10% of todays. There was investment in the 2000s along Pershing, condo conversions. 

StlMag - These 3 new residential developments are coming to Pershing Avenue

https://www.stlmag.com/design/residenti ... ng-avenue/

That strip mall was like 80% occupied... still low land productivity but the store fronts were mostly full.


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I'd like a Cullinaria, but I'd wager a Fields Foods.

quincunx wrote: ↑

Mar 19, 2021

I'd like a Cullinaria, but I'd wager a Fields Foods.

Fields Foods and the developer are not on good terms after the Hibernia, and in any case, I highly doubt they are in a position to expand.

That's right. I forgot about that.