One of the things that has become clear to me is that this project isn't going to be the end of it. The developers will eventually try to destroy all the homes on the 5700 blocks of DeG and Waterman for the purpose of throwing up more slapdash crap condos. I'm wondering if 2022-23 is our only chance to sell and get out with our home value intact before the eminent domain bastards come for us.
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Why would you think that? Seems extremely unlikely... they’re likely to continue to build out DeBaliviere though.throatybeard wrote:One of the things that has become clear to me is that this project isn't going to be the end of it. The developers will eventually try to destroy all the homes on the 5700 blocks of DeG and Waterman for the purpose of throwing up more slapdash crap condos. I'm wondering if 2022-23 is our only chance to sell and get out with our home value intact before the eminent domain bastards come for us.
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It will returnthroatybeard wrote:Have they forever confiscated the small alley that ran behind the strip mall? The construction fence is right slam up against houses 5714 Waterman and 5715 DeG, and you can now only access the Waterman-DeG alley from DeG. Or will it return after the construction is complete?
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That seems like a big departure from the current developments, which I don't think used eminent domain and didn't demo a single home.throatybeard wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2020One of the things that has become clear to me is that this project isn't going to be the end of it. The developers will eventually try to destroy all the homes on the 5700 blocks of DeG and Waterman for the purpose of throwing up more slapdash crap condos. I'm wondering if 2022-23 is our only chance to sell and get out with our home value intact before the eminent domain bastards come for us.
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LOLthroatybeard wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2020One of the things that has become clear to me is that this project isn't going to be the end of it. The developers will eventually try to destroy all the homes on the 5700 blocks of DeG and Waterman for the purpose of throwing up more slapdash crap condos. I'm wondering if 2022-23 is our only chance to sell and get out with our home value intact before the eminent domain bastards come for us.
You have nothing to be afraid of. Developers will not be demanding people vacate their homes. I've talked with Jeff Tegethoff about this and he said "No. We don't want to take over people's homes for a larger project". Sid and Vic (Hudson Developers) also won't do that. You know how big of a problem that will be if what you're saying ever happens?throatybeard wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2020One of the things that has become clear to me is that this project isn't going to be the end of it. The developers will eventually try to destroy all the homes on the 5700 blocks of DeG and Waterman for the purpose of throwing up more slapdash crap condos. I'm wondering if 2022-23 is our only chance to sell and get out with our home value intact before the eminent domain bastards come for us.
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Now that they mention it, though, I wouldn’t mind a flat iron mixed use building at the intersection of Waterman & DeGivervillechriss752 wrote:You have nothing to be afraid of. Developers will not be demanding people vacate their homes. I've talked with Jeff Tegethoff about this and he said "No. We don't want to take over people's homes for a larger project". Sid and Vic (Hudson Developers) also won't do that. You know how big of a problem that will be if what you're saying ever happens?throatybeard wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2020One of the things that has become clear to me is that this project isn't going to be the end of it. The developers will eventually try to destroy all the homes on the 5700 blocks of DeG and Waterman for the purpose of throwing up more slapdash crap condos. I'm wondering if 2022-23 is our only chance to sell and get out with our home value intact before the eminent domain bastards come for us.
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This is not a completely unrealistic fear. When you abruptly scale up in a neighborhood, it does have a psychological effect on neighboring properties. Owners who don't like to live under the visual weight of a hulking mass are more likely to sell. If enough people sell, a developer can pick up a cluster of houses and propose demolition for the next big project. I used to think preservation review would protect historic legacy but lately that has been a royal disappointment. My advice: work to create a historic district if you are not already in one. I would even consider listing your own home under the national register.throatybeard wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2020One of the things that has become clear to me is that this project isn't going to be the end of it. The developers will eventually try to destroy all the homes on the 5700 blocks of DeG and Waterman for the purpose of throwing up more slapdash crap condos. I'm wondering if 2022-23 is our only chance to sell and get out with our home value intact before the eminent domain bastards come for us.
As much as I love urban form and density, it needs to be done with care and with respect for the neighborhood. (hmm I might be a NIMBY yet)
Not going to happen. Not in the neighborhood plan. Would never get neighborhood support, and thus no political support.
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Scaling up on a commercial road like DeBaliviere is very different than scaling up on a residential road. The people who sell their properties abutting these developments will be replaced by people happy to be adjacent to these developments.imran wrote:This is not a completely unrealistic fear. When you abruptly scale up in a neighborhood, it does have a psychological effect on neighboring properties. Owners who don't like to live under the visual weight of a hulking mass are more likely to sell. If enough people sell, a developer can pick up a cluster of houses and propose demolition for the next big project. I used to think preservation review would protect historic legacy but lately that has been a royal disappointment. My advice: work to create a historic district if you are not already in one. I would even consider listing your own home under the national register.throatybeard wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2020One of the things that has become clear to me is that this project isn't going to be the end of it. The developers will eventually try to destroy all the homes on the 5700 blocks of DeG and Waterman for the purpose of throwing up more slapdash crap condos. I'm wondering if 2022-23 is our only chance to sell and get out with our home value intact before the eminent domain bastards come for us.
As much as I love urban form and density, it needs to be done with care and with respect for the neighborhood. (hmm I might be a NIMBY yet)
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I ,on the other hand, believe it is far better to gently increase density at the edge of 'residential' districts without driving long-term residents away.SeattleNative wrote: ↑Dec 11, 2020Scaling up on a commercial road like DeBaliviere is very different than scaling up on a residential road. The people who sell their properties abutting these developments will be replaced by people happy to be adjacent to these developments.imran wrote:This is not a completely unrealistic fear. When you abruptly scale up in a neighborhood, it does have a psychological effect on neighboring properties. Owners who don't like to live under the visual weight of a hulking mass are more likely to sell. If enough people sell, a developer can pick up a cluster of houses and propose demolition for the next big project. I used to think preservation review would protect historic legacy but lately that has been a royal disappointment. My advice: work to create a historic district if you are not already in one. I would even consider listing your own home under the national register.throatybeard wrote: ↑Dec 10, 2020One of the things that has become clear to me is that this project isn't going to be the end of it. The developers will eventually try to destroy all the homes on the 5700 blocks of DeG and Waterman for the purpose of throwing up more slapdash crap condos. I'm wondering if 2022-23 is our only chance to sell and get out with our home value intact before the eminent domain bastards come for us.
As much as I love urban form and density, it needs to be done with care and with respect for the neighborhood. (hmm I might be a NIMBY yet)
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That’s what is being done here, though? Pearl worked with the community for a while to accommodate their requests. The building steps down nicely into the neighborhood. I don’t understand this complaint?imran wrote:I ,on the other hand, believe it is far better to gently increase density at the edge of 'residential' districts without driving long-term residents away.SeattleNative wrote: ↑Dec 11, 2020Scaling up on a commercial road like DeBaliviere is very different than scaling up on a residential road. The people who sell their properties abutting these developments will be replaced by people happy to be adjacent to these developments.imran wrote: This is not a completely unrealistic fear. When you abruptly scale up in a neighborhood, it does have a psychological effect on neighboring properties. Owners who don't like to live under the visual weight of a hulking mass are more likely to sell. If enough people sell, a developer can pick up a cluster of houses and propose demolition for the next big project. I used to think preservation review would protect historic legacy but lately that has been a royal disappointment. My advice: work to create a historic district if you are not already in one. I would even consider listing your own home under the national register.
As much as I love urban form and density, it needs to be done with care and with respect for the neighborhood. (hmm I might be a NIMBY yet)
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Are any houses for sale on 5700 DeG or Waterman? I didn't see any on Redfin.
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Correct, there aren’t any currently. Though a couple rehabs underway that will probably see increased value from proximity to a grocer.quincunx wrote:Are any houses for sale on 5700 DeG or Waterman? I didn't see any on Redfin.
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I really wouldn't want to be one of the houses directly abutting either of the new buildings. That's just me, though.
Nina and Waterman would be a better candidate for a three story Flat Iron.
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Why not both?quincunx wrote:Nina and Waterman would be a better candidate for a three story Flat Iron.
Just kidding. You’re right, and the house sitting there would be a lot cheaper than the one of the corner of Waterman and DeGiverville that just sold for $440k.
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The impact these buildings will have, along with Hudson, is pretty big.
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Let's do another
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