^ & ^^ I'd expect Drury to build anew at the Pear Tree location, too much to gain from that location to not invest there. Just tear the whole thing down, including that parking garage outcropping, and build a proper upscale Downtown hotel. It only makes sense.
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Throw in a rooftop and/or some other sort of outdoor bar for MLS game days.
At the risk of further taking us off topic...any chance Drury sold off their FPSE parcels to do something here?
The Pear Tree is such an ugly hotel...and its orientation leaves a lot to be desired...you think you'd want the guest rooms facing the Arch and the skyline. Granted you'd get a lot more sun that way.
Imagine a new urban sited hotel with a multi-level Sybergs at the corner of 22nd and Market on game days. Plus a nicer Drury tower would be an additional bookend to the Mall. Though the stadium largely accomplishes that now.
The Pear Tree is such an ugly hotel...and its orientation leaves a lot to be desired...you think you'd want the guest rooms facing the Arch and the skyline. Granted you'd get a lot more sun that way.
Imagine a new urban sited hotel with a multi-level Sybergs at the corner of 22nd and Market on game days. Plus a nicer Drury tower would be an additional bookend to the Mall. Though the stadium largely accomplishes that now.
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^Something else to consider is that a major repeat tenant for that Pear Tree Inn, I believe, is Wells Fargo Advisors when they have new hires coming into STL for training at corporate. I've seen shuttle buses carry young suits back and forth. Pear Tree's already losing their business during the pandemic, and if WFA follows through with a new hotel on their campus, their need for the Pear Tree totally goes away. So, with their likely most established repeat client going away, they have a good window to build fresh.
Did they dump FPSE for Pear Tree Inn redevelopment? Who knows. Maybe? Can't do much more than speculate here...
Going forward, I do hope they have a big announcement for the Pear Tree Inn site. I'd put money on it that something big'll happen there. If the Butler Brothers building is now in play, then the old locally-branded hotel next to the new stadium itself has to be.
Did they dump FPSE for Pear Tree Inn redevelopment? Who knows. Maybe? Can't do much more than speculate here...
Going forward, I do hope they have a big announcement for the Pear Tree Inn site. I'd put money on it that something big'll happen there. If the Butler Brothers building is now in play, then the old locally-branded hotel next to the new stadium itself has to be.
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back to the restaurant topic- tried UKraft today (they just opened on the west end of the Peabody building) it was pretty good, they had a steady lunch crowd coming and going
https://www.ukrafteats.com/
https://www.ukrafteats.com/
Eh, I think Drury is too cheap and risk-averse for that. Besides, they have a large site. They could easily keep their tower open whilst building an addition or a new base along Market.gone corporate wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2021^ & ^^ I'd expect Drury to build anew at the Pear Tree location, too much to gain from that location to not invest there. Just tear the whole thing down, including that parking garage outcropping, and build a proper upscale Downtown hotel. It only makes sense.
Did you see any Ratz in the kitchen?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2021back to the restaurant topic- tried UKraft today (they just opened on the west end of the Peabody building) it was pretty good, they had a steady lunch crowd coming and going
https://www.ukrafteats.com/
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Something called "Terror Tacos" is going in somewhere on South Grand, per the Tower Grove Pride Facebook page. Says they will have vegan tacos and burritos. Once again South Grand is the go to place for those seeking plant based menus.
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I live in Tower Grove South and am constantly noticing new home renovation projects in this neighborhood and in Tower Grove East.
I'm hoping that this area continues its momentum and that it will reach Gravois and bleed down that corridor into Bevo and Dutchtown and Gravois Park, etc.
I'm also hoping that Grand will clean up its act south of Utah.
I'm hoping that this area continues its momentum and that it will reach Gravois and bleed down that corridor into Bevo and Dutchtown and Gravois Park, etc.
I'm also hoping that Grand will clean up its act south of Utah.
My forever hope... unlikely to be realized for another decade.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2021I'm also hoping that Grand will clean up its act south of Utah.
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^ my boss moved to Arizona late last year to get a head start on retirement and his south side tower penthouse (which has the entire roof to itself) is still for sale....tempted but it’s like living on an island you cannot leave
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Are we talking about the condo building at Grand/Gravois?
If so, I love that building. I have big dreams for the lots next door, to the south along Grand and to the west along Gravois.
The theater building across the street is owned by Garcia Properties, but I haven't seen any activity on it since moving to St. Louis.
The Farmer's Merchants Building with metroPCS and Patricia's is such a fantastic building and would really benefit from some investment as well.
Next, you just need to raze the gas station/open air drug market and White Castle/open air drug market in favor of something better.
That whole area needs so much work, but the potential is self-evident.
If so, I love that building. I have big dreams for the lots next door, to the south along Grand and to the west along Gravois.
The theater building across the street is owned by Garcia Properties, but I haven't seen any activity on it since moving to St. Louis.
The Farmer's Merchants Building with metroPCS and Patricia's is such a fantastic building and would really benefit from some investment as well.
Next, you just need to raze the gas station/open air drug market and White Castle/open air drug market in favor of something better.
That whole area needs so much work, but the potential is self-evident.
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both of them!urbanitas wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2021Did you see any Ratz in the kitchen?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2021back to the restaurant topic- tried UKraft today (they just opened on the west end of the Peabody building) it was pretty good, they had a steady lunch crowd coming and going
https://www.ukrafteats.com/
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I have a friend in St. Louis who spoke with the chef/owner of Vegan Butcher & Deli in St. Charles, which recently closed due to outgrowing its space.
The chef/owner is looking to reopen his operation and is saying that he will do so on the "St. Louis side of the river."
Take that as you will.
The chef/owner is looking to reopen his operation and is saying that he will do so on the "St. Louis side of the river."
Take that as you will.
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^ at 33% capacity, I think, with seat service only. funny how their tone changed from insurrection to gratitude toward the health department.
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I'm sure they were told that another violation will actually result in a one-year ban, effectively destroying the business.
^ Eh...they didn’t seem to care before. My guess is their lawyers told them either you move your business to a more lax jurisdiction (not exactly an easy or cheap proposition), follow the rules laid out by the city...or you lose in court and possibly lose your business too.
It's also my understanding that Drury doesn't serve alcohol on their premises, so that could be a problem for a bar. That could be an old policy and may not apply to their other brands, though.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2021Eh, I think Drury is too cheap and risk-averse for that. Besides, they have a large site. They could easily keep their tower open whilst building an addition or a new base along Market.gone corporate wrote: ↑Jan 26, 2021^ & ^^ I'd expect Drury to build anew at the Pear Tree location, too much to gain from that location to not invest there. Just tear the whole thing down, including that parking garage outcropping, and build a proper upscale Downtown hotel. It only makes sense.
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I may be wrong as I am new to the region and an outsider, but Grand south of Utah seems to be in a better position than it has been in a while.
Tower Grove South and Tower Grove East have tons of homes being worked on. With the demographics surrounding this area changing a bit, I see hope.
I just think it might be another decade before it is actually completely cleaned up. But it could be faster than that, too.
I feel like a bunch of storefronts on 39th in Shaw have gone in since I moved to St. Louis in late July 2019. So things can change.
Tower Grove South and Tower Grove East have tons of homes being worked on. With the demographics surrounding this area changing a bit, I see hope.
I just think it might be another decade before it is actually completely cleaned up. But it could be faster than that, too.
I feel like a bunch of storefronts on 39th in Shaw have gone in since I moved to St. Louis in late July 2019. So things can change.
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There have been some wins south of Utah, for sure, like the South Side National Bank Building and Garcia getting the building across Grand for redevelopment. But overall, I have to agree with the sentiments of others. This section of Grand has seen disinvestment since I began closely following StL news and developemnt in 2011.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Feb 10, 2021I may be wrong as I am new to the region and an outsider, but Grand south of Utah seems to be in a better position than it has been in a while.
Tower Grove South and Tower Grove East have tons of homes being worked on. With the demographics surrounding this area changing a bit, I see hope.
I just think it might be another decade before it is actually completely cleaned up. But it could be faster than that, too.
I feel like a bunch of storefronts on 39th in Shaw have gone in since I moved to St. Louis in late July 2019. So things can change.
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it seems to be in the very early stages of rehab, but essentially ALL of the decline that you see between Utah and Carondelet Park occurred within the last 20 to 25 years. i spent a lot of time around Grand and Montana and in Dutchtown in the 80s and 90s. it was a much healthier place then.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Feb 10, 2021I may be wrong as I am new to the region and an outsider, but Grand south of Utah seems to be in a better position than it has been in a while.
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I understand that Grand has seen disinvestment. It's pretty clear.
But it's also pretty clear that the neighborhoods on both sides of the famous S. Grand strip are seeing a lot of action and rising home prices.
You're seeing trendy, new-age, young people concepts like vegan taquerias open up.
I'm not going to say this area is without risk, because something could absolutely happen that undoes what good we've seen in the past few years, but I definitely see signs for the area that could be construed as positive.
I just don't see Tower Grove South or Tower Grove East slowing down anytime soon. As a TGS resident, I'm starting to see rehabs closer and closer to Gravois. I see that as a remarkably good sign, because the health of the neighborhood declines the further you remove yourself from the park.
But it's also pretty clear that the neighborhoods on both sides of the famous S. Grand strip are seeing a lot of action and rising home prices.
You're seeing trendy, new-age, young people concepts like vegan taquerias open up.
I'm not going to say this area is without risk, because something could absolutely happen that undoes what good we've seen in the past few years, but I definitely see signs for the area that could be construed as positive.
I just don't see Tower Grove South or Tower Grove East slowing down anytime soon. As a TGS resident, I'm starting to see rehabs closer and closer to Gravois. I see that as a remarkably good sign, because the health of the neighborhood declines the further you remove yourself from the park.