A lot of which, I would imagine, could be alleviated with aggressive traffic calming measures - same solution I'd advocate for any of the closed streets if they're facing local opposition to reopening.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Dec 30, 2020My guess is that someone (whether it be the Alderman, someone in the Streets Dept., or possibly a few vocal neighbors) believes that if was reopened here that impatient drivers would just duck over to Swan and blow through all the stop signs rather than sticking to Manchester and it's stop lights.
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Whatever happened to the Grove signs that hung over Manchester? Are they planning on bringing those back? I really liked those.
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Hey there - they are supposed to come back, yes. Dan did a pretty exhaustive timeline either at the top of this page or just on the page before.southcitygent wrote:Whatever happened to the Grove signs that hung over Manchester? Are they planning on bringing those back? I really liked those.
There was an RFP issues and there has been some movement according to meeting agendas over the last few months, but no public minutes available for us to detail that progress.
They will come back, but it may just be a few months.
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Here's the update: The CID board approved awarding the contract to Piros at the December meeting. Piros's timeline for completion was 2 months, but it could be longer.brianadler6545 wrote: ↑Jan 02, 2021Hey there - they are supposed to come back, yes. Dan did a pretty exhaustive timeline either at the top of this page or just on the page before.southcitygent wrote:Whatever happened to the Grove signs that hung over Manchester? Are they planning on bringing those back? I really liked those.
There was an RFP issues and there has been some movement according to meeting agendas over the last few months, but no public minutes available for us to detail that progress.
I've asked for minutes to be posted. Hopefully that happens on or before the Jan 11th meeting.
Building permits for 4 single family homes on 4400 Vista submitted.
CID expansion is back on the Grove CID agenda for this months' meeting. Possible additional parcels (per a map shared May 2020) in include Vandeventer north of Papin to 64, the Green Street redevelopment area in the southwest corner of the Grove, including Terra at the Grove, and 4213 Gibson.
Before most minutes disappeared from the Grove website, here's the timeline I had:
November 2019
-Parcel expansion- Park Central Development presents the parcel expansion map and list of properties with assessment information. Park Central Development adds a column to the chart to include Board members who are going to informally reach out to property owners.
December 2019
(expansion map)
June 2020
Before most minutes disappeared from the Grove website, here's the timeline I had:
November 2019
-Parcel expansion- Park Central Development presents the parcel expansion map and list of properties with assessment information. Park Central Development adds a column to the chart to include Board members who are going to informally reach out to property owners.
December 2019
- The Board members will start making calls to property owners to explain the CID and the expansion details. PCD has already sent mail packets to each property owner. K. Kenter requests that PCD reach out to remaining property owners that Board members did not volunteer to call. For the next meeting, the board members will strategize outreach to ensure success.
- Board Members have not sent any updates to PCD about CID Expansion outreach. PCD will email the entire packet to the Board so they have talking points for expansion.
(expansion map)
June 2020
- A. Graham has been in contact with the lawyers. The petition is ready, and they can start collecting signatures for the Special Assessment. The expansion will require 3 petitions for the three different sections.
- Changes to CIDs- A. Johnson informed the Board about a Bill in the state that will require a full City-wide vote for special taxing districts to collect sales tax. The Grove CID’s sales tax will expire in 2028. If this Bill passes, they will have to have a City-wide vote to renew, which would be cost prohibitive.
- A. Graham will be sending out signature forms for the property owners to sign and notarize over the coming weeks
- CID Expansion as an agenda item
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Surprised they aren't trying to include Vandevender south of Chouteau of the intersection of Taylor and Chouteau.
Might include NE corner of Vandeventer and Sarpy. It seems something is being planned. Land assembled and cleared at least
$310k building permit issued for a new home at 4330 Vista
Nextstl - Home of First African American Principal of a St. Louis Public School Designated as City Landmark
https://nextstl.com/2021/01/home-of-fir ... -landmark/
https://nextstl.com/2021/01/home-of-fir ... -landmark/
^Another project that forces pedestrians to either cross at the intersection or walk in the street...
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I believe a pedestrian was killed by the site a couple months ago as well.urbanitas wrote:^Another project that forces pedestrians to either cross at the intersection or walk in the street...
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Yeah, I thought there was a new regulation that was supposed to address this?
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^ i said the same thing regarding 4545 Laclede. apparently, the "regulation" only compels developers to "try" to accommodate pedestrians. so it's completely f*cking useless, like the BOA in general.
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Lol an aspirational regulationurban_dilettante wrote: ↑Feb 11, 2021^ i said the same thing regarding 4545 Laclede. apparently, the "regulation" only compels developers to "try" to accommodate pedestrians. so it's completely f*cking useless, like the BOA in general.
Every other city I walk in, there are sidewalk scaffolds up to walk under construction. Why is this so hard?
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^ because St. Louis is uniquely f*cked up. there's a resistance to reason that requires special effort to maintain.
^^ And yet in many other cities I've been too (including the "progressive hotspots" like Denver) I routinely saw closed sidewalks and streets. Especially in in the Plaza area when I lived in KC for 13 years. Wasn't uncommon to have sidewalks closed for more than a year or two for projects.
Not saying it's right...but this "St. Louis is uniquely ***** up" take is getting really damn old.
Oh look, here is some sidewalk protection on a project by my place in the Moorlands...
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And yet, for whatever reason...the same city (Clayton) didn't require it for Forsyth Pointe...it's almost like it's taken on a development by development basis.
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Not saying it's right...but this "St. Louis is uniquely ***** up" take is getting really damn old.
Oh look, here is some sidewalk protection on a project by my place in the Moorlands...
And yet, for whatever reason...the same city (Clayton) didn't require it for Forsyth Pointe...it's almost like it's taken on a development by development basis.
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^ agree that it's getting old. but a couple of (recent) anecdotes don't really disprove that it's worse in STL. my experience in other cities (especially on the east coast) is that accommodations for pedestrians are more often made than not. the opposite is true in STL. when this becomes the norm rather than the exception in STL, then i'll amend my tune. it would help if the ordinance passed by the BoA had any teeth.
What's the procedure?urbanitas wrote: ↑Feb 12, 2021It's not unusual for construction sites to be vacated for long periods of time. It happens all over the country, every time we journey through an economic valley. There was a site near me in Chicago where they had completed the first floor of a 5-story concrete block building, and then left it that way for several years. Picture prolific weeds in between piles of gravel and concrete blocks, with rusted steel and rebar sticking out everywhere...KansasCitian wrote: ↑Feb 11, 20214101 Manchester has been a vacant, non-construction site for as long as I have been a resident of St. Louis City (July 2019).
I think it's absolutely insane that that site has been able to sit there like that over a year-and-a-half.
That said, there is a procedure in place to prevent that situation for high-profile development projects like this. For whatever reason, that procedure has, so far, been ignored.
All of this is anecdotal. It’s not worse here than were I previously lived either. I lived a half block from a mid-rise project that shut down Pennsylvania and its sidewalk for close to 2 years or more. While that was happening Jefferson (the next block) was closed for the Nordstrom project...urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Feb 12, 2021^ agree that it's getting old. but a couple of (recent) anecdotes don't really disprove that it's worse in STL. my experience in other cities (especially on the east coast) is that accommodations for pedestrians are more often made than not. the opposite is true in STL. when this becomes the norm rather than the exception in STL, then i'll amend my tune. it would help if the ordinance passed by the BoA had any teeth.
I have no doubt the East Coast does it better, they have significantly more density and pedestrians.
Again, not saying you’re wrong...I’ve just never seen a closed sidewalk and and thought the city (or any city where I’ve seen this) was completely “f*cked.” Of all the things about St. Louis that get me worked up, this one is pretty low on the list.
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^ fair enough. i wasn't just referring to this issue with the "uniquely f*cked up" comment, but to the way in which all of these anti-pedestrian (and other) issues compound one another, and seem to stem from an utter lack of giving a damn—both on the part of city/regional officials and the public in general. yeah, STL isn't alone in this, but among STL's peers there aren't many (any?) in worse shape from a pedestrian safety standpoint (or safety in general).