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PostDec 04, 2020#951

Miss Shell wrote:I think this would be a good opportunity to reopen and realign Oakland so that both sides of Kingshighway connect at an intersection. The Grove feels cutoff from the west right now, and I think that could help. Granted, you'd have to demolish a building or two to make it work. 
It is an interesting thought. I will tell you that most residents in the area I have spoken to (I'm on the FPSE Neighborhood Association Board) really, really prefer the street dead ends at Oakland, Arco, etc. One of the major reasons is speeding, and the Drury properties as they stand today don't always invite the best activities.

Perhaps with a good redevelopment this could be a better option, and I also like restored street grids, but there definitely is some reasonable neighborhood opposition to getting rid of the barriers to Kingshighway.

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PostDec 04, 2020#952

^I can't imagine the dead ends would be a real problem. It makes driving to your rear parking a little more circuitous, but you get used to that sort of thing quickly. It'd be little different than living on a one way street. (As I do.) When approaching from some directions you go a block or two out of your way. And when walking, none of that matters. You can walk direct. You'll be able to walk out your back entrance to destinations on Manchester in the Grove. (When I walk to places northeast of my house I walk out the back and down the alley. No big.) If you want to go to Forest Park, you walk out the front door. Residential might well be the best use for that site, and those buildings aren't a bad size. You could have twenty four smallish units (I'm not certain, but those look to be four families to me, so probably four efficiencies each. Or maybe one bedrooms.) A little creativity might net you another dozen efficiencies. Maybe ad a third half-story as Imran suggested in his drawing. But since it would be a gut rehab anyway, you could re-imagine them about any way you wanted. Make it a dozen large apartments. Or a mix of smaller and larger. Maybe some first story commercial and some added half-story residential. (Might not be a terrible place for a coffee shop or cafe if you add bumpouts, bike lanes, and on-street parking. Which is desperately needed there anyway.) It would take a lot of money, creativity, and political will to bring that corner up to its true potential since you'd have to work with both Forest Park and MODoT. (Not to mention convincing Barnes to interact with its environment to the south and west, from which I recall it is otherwise largely walled off, in spite of its urban appearances.) But if you can make it happen, that's really a location with enormous potential.

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PostDec 05, 2020#953

In December 2019 the Forest Park Southeast Neighborhood Association held a special meeting for Drury to share their draft of suggested plans on how they would engage the community in a process for what they called, The South Kingshighway Frontage Plan & Redevelopment Projects. Within their community engagement process it was to be assumed Drury would incorporate residential (with a hotel, of course). It was rumored that Koman (I'll have to find that source) would partner with them on the residential portion of the development.

Background/context of that meeting:

A "robust community engagement & development review process" was a requirement to ensure community support in Washu's RFQ to sell the 1.7 acres of land at 64/Kingshighway.

Months prior to this Drury meeting, Washu put out an RFQ.  Residents were worried that Washu would quietly select a developer without first getting community input, thus pigeonholing a plan that may or may not be what the neighborhood wanted (example: Drury = hotel, plus ingress/egress roads, loss of buildings on the national register of historic places, and so much more). So residents advocated for a multi-part process to inform the development of this land.

Soon after, the RFQ was pulled. 

However, concerns remained that Drury would be the only viable candidate (now and in the future) to purchase this land (based on the amount of contiguous parcels they owned at that location; their prior attempt to build a hotel there; and that they weren't (likely) seeking incentives). Thus, pressure from residents to define that process remained. 

Drury, taking the strategy that if they take the community up on developing this community engagement process, could fulfill Washu's requirement of a "robust community engagement & development review process" and earn (coax?) community support/trust, and could then be at the advantage to be selected to purchase Washu's land.

Pressure to define the community engagement process turned into a Neighborhood Association/Drury meeting, in which Drury presented their engagement process. The Association held a meeting in January '20 to gather community input on Drury's plan. Then the pandemic happened.

Kind of self-imposed trojan horse, really. Took pandemic to save us.

Skipped over quite a bit of detail, but thought I'd share. 

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PostDec 05, 2020#954

quincunx wrote:
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Looking at this is also a reminder for me that there are already people living right on this stretch of Kingshighway (see the houses south of Oakland). The community already exists. Need to stitch it back together with the correct development goals and initiatives. 

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PostDec 05, 2020#955

^As I was driving down Kingshighway this afternoon (and feeling like the Grand racers had found a new track) I found myself wondering if maybe going back to the original "grand boulevard" sort of plan might not be best. The thing needs a road diet, but maybe that diet could be in the middle. It'd be an ideal place to try BRT in a dedicated right of way. (Carved out of the middle of an over-wide street.) A big, fat, treelawn down the middle could also work well. (Or maybe modern streetcar down a treelawn down the middle.) But frequent, direct, gridlike transit interchanging with Metrolink at Wash U would be great. Repeat the success of the 70 bus on Grand.

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PostDec 05, 2020#956

$1M asking price for the parcels on Kingshighway.

https://www.redfin.com/MO/St-Louis/1092 ... ntent=link


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PostDec 06, 2020#957

Are the rest of their holdings in FPSE for sale too?

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PostDec 06, 2020#958

quincunx wrote:Are the rest of their holdings in FPSE for sale too?
Curious about this too. They own around 30 parcels, I believe.

I jogged down Oakland and Arco this afternoon and didn't see any for sale signs for their other buildings. I'll keep an eye out, though.

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PostDec 07, 2020#959

The properties along Kingshighway are quite tricky in my opinion. They're all in varying stages of decay and at a listing price of $1 Million, I doubt they'll last long. I do expect that if a major developer buys up the properties that they'll be looking at land assemblage and total demolition in favor of a new structure or structures. Time will tell though.

In my opinion, living directly on Kingshighway, without proper insulation from the noise, would be horrible. Especially in 2-story buildings like this. We will see what happens though. 

PostDec 15, 2020#960

The corner building at Tower Grove and Vista is looking decent. Brickwork and other facade work will make this one look like the building that was lost (well at least up to a point).




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PostDec 15, 2020#961

Right out of Disney's Main Street USA. 

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PostDec 15, 2020#962

^That's a little less disturbing when you put it on main street. Disney is deeply cheeseball, but they're pretty good at it. As good as Vegas, at least. And more interesting.

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PostDec 21, 2020#963

Appears that the owner of the vegan/plant-based ice cream shop on Manchester and his other vegan/plant-based shop, a cafe on Chouteau, are closer to opening. Papers coverings on the windows have been removed and you can see inside. 

The cafe has site: https://tubercafe.com/, and a very odd instagram page.  
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PostDec 29, 2020#964

The Grove CID is seeking proposals from qualified agencies to build and install 45 banners on the pedestrian light poles along Manchester.

http://www.thegrovestl.com/wordpress/wp ... er-RFP.pdf
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PostDec 29, 2020#965

I was under the impression that there is an established entity maybe within the city departments that handles that stuff. We've got banners all over the place. 

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PostDec 29, 2020#966

Is that going to be the official Grove banner, or is that something that they are requesting be designed as part of the process? 

I really like that banner, is why I'm asking. I think it's close to perfect. 

It says, "You're welcome - and accepted," better than most banners. It captures the attitude of the Grove, and a major part of why I think that neighborhood has become so successful. 

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PostDec 29, 2020#967

I agree, very nice and distinctive banner. 

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PostDec 30, 2020#968

Speaking of signs, any word on the Grove sign that got knocked down in the storm? I could be wrong but I don’t believe it ever got reinstalled


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PostDec 30, 2020#969

Well, 2 for 3. 🙄

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This ordinance repeals Ordinance #59043, approved on February 10, 1984, which closed Swan, Norfolk, and Vista Avenues at the east line of Taylor Avenue. The ordinance authorizes and directs the Director of Streets to reopen Norfolk and Vista Avenues, but to keep Swan Avenue closed. This ordinance will have a significantly positive effect on the City and its residents with respect to economic development and the flow of traffic in the Grove area.
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PostDec 30, 2020#970

^ Like Meatloaf once said, two out of three ain’t bad. Still would have liked to have seen Swan open again since it runs on both sides of Taylor.

Either way...nice to see a little grid restoration!

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PostDec 30, 2020#971

If this is true than opening all three would be even better, right?

This ordinance will have a significantly positive effect on the City and its residents with respect to economic development and the flow of traffic in the Grove area.

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PostDec 30, 2020#972

My guess is that someone (whether it be the Alderman, someone in the Streets Dept., or possibly a few vocal neighbors) believes that if was reopened here that impatient drivers would just duck over to Swan and blow through all the stop signs rather than sticking to Manchester and it's stop lights. 

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PostDec 30, 2020#973

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
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Speaking of signs, any word on the Grove sign that got knocked down in the storm? I could be wrong but I don’t believe it ever got reinstalled
I've wondered the same. I've reached out to get answers. The sign(s) have been discussed in various Grove CID meetings, but it's nearly impossible to follow in the meeting minutes. Most minutes have disappeared from the website, or are so poorly written they might as well not be written at all. 

Until I receive something more definitive, here's the best I could muster:


From the time the signs went down to May 2020
  • There are no available minutes or agendas. I believe their contracted social/web agency at one point proposed redoing the site because Wordpress was too hard and they wanted to use Squarespace. They took the site down, causing dead links. Not sure if the minute/agenda pdfs are still in their directory. So....
May 2020 July August
  •  At the Grove CID Board meeting, it was said that both support structure bidders would be able to start immediately and have the same approximate timeline for completion (how long, who knows, not stated). 
  • BUT, the Board wants the Public Services Committee Board to host interviews for the two bidders
  • At the August Grove Public Service Board meeting, they interview the two bidders and again motion to move forward with Piros.
September
  • At the Grove CID Board meeting, they decide to table sign structure process and go back to both vendors with bid request.
October November: December
  • Grove CID Board meeting: agenda item again notes "New Sign Structure RFP" as a topic. And again, no minutes posted.
So what's the latest? Who knows. But I hope to have an answer soon.

Why the lackluster accountability of minutes and agendas? Park Central Development oversees the meetings and handles minutes/agenda. PCD has expanded their footprint and much of their focus is now north of Delmar, replicating much of what they've done in the 20+ years in the CWE & FPSE (which is great). BUT, I don't think they've hired appropriately to account for their increase in services and are at a point where if they're dividing their attention in so many ways, they're now prioritizing other neighborhoods. Where FPSE/The Grove are in a relativity stable state, other neighborhoods are now the focus. There's a strong hint of that in WUMCRC's 2020 fiscal report.

PCD's waning but still very visible involvement in FPSE has been a discussion between a group of FPSE residents over the past year or so. The FPSE Development Committee is an asset to the development process, but the committee's active participation is diminishing. Attendance at meetings isn't strong. There's stagnant membership (open seats and lack of new faces). Development packets don't always include all variances. Minutes and agendas haphazardly posted. I haven't seen PDC fiscal reports, but without a Gala to raise money and few donors (SLU stopped donating a couple years back), funds aren't likely what they used to be. 

Sorry - point is, we need to rethink of how PCD operates in FPSE if WUMCRC wants them to focus in other neighborhoods. What worked for this neighborhood 10, 15 years ago doesn't work as well now as it did then. 

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PostDec 30, 2020#974

Is it still possible to go west on Swan from Taylor, take a left along Kingshighway, duck under Kingshighway and continue up the other side? With the long backups at Manchester and Kingshighway, that was the quickest way to get from around UCBC to I-44 westbound a few years ago. Google maps makes it look like you can't cut under Kingshighway anymore but I'm not sure it was ever officially a street to begin with.

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PostDec 30, 2020#975

I believe you can still, yes.

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