Ok, that's what I thought you meant. The press release said, "Seating capacity of the open-air stadium will be 22,500, with ability to expand to 25,000." I read that as a reference to temporary seating, such as removable or fold-up bleachers, rather than a stadium expansion.Gary5071 wrote: ↑Nov 12, 2020It will open at 22,500, and can be expanded in the future to 25,000.
Can I ask why? To me the stadium would make a perfect buffer between the freeway and actual liveable downtown. The Wheel peaking into the stadium would be badass, ala the Arch into Busch used to be. And most importantly that land could've been built for truly urban (high rise) residential/commercial. Now you've got this dead space between the freeway and the stadium, and the stadium is just another non-active superblock 95% of the year.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Nov 06, 2020Superb, Chris. Really glad they moved the stadium north of Market too.
^ I honestly don't have a great argument for you lol. I like how the stadium is kind of a monumental bookend to the Gateway Mall. I like that it's closer to Washington Avenue, some of which has seen better days and could use a nice anchor that will draw big crowds. It interacts more with the city and the skyline. That's really all I got though haha.
But from a city building perspective you're pretty much totally right and I even think I made the same argument here at one point. But that was before they announced the office and practice fields/facilities would be included. If the stadium was next to Union Station the practice fields would have probably ended up on that land north of Market, which would still be pretty underutilized.
When did the Arch stop peaking into Busch Stadium?
But from a city building perspective you're pretty much totally right and I even think I made the same argument here at one point. But that was before they announced the office and practice fields/facilities would be included. If the stadium was next to Union Station the practice fields would have probably ended up on that land north of Market, which would still be pretty underutilized.
When did the Arch stop peaking into Busch Stadium?
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^If I had to guess at the reason the stadium moved is because the land north of Market allowed them to build more quickly with less prep work.
RuskiSTL wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2020The Wheel peaking into the stadium would be badass, ala the Arch into Busch used to be.
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He's talking about the old Busch.wabash wrote:RuskiSTL wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2020The Wheel peaking into the stadium would be badass, ala the Arch into Busch used to be.
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Nothing in that story is really all that applicable to the stadium in this thread....chris fuller wrote: ↑Nov 16, 2020Across the World, Sports Stadiums and Arenas Are a Gigantic Swindle
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/arenas-s ... nds-cities
Stadium update from the STL Sports Commission.
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Also forgot to mention that they also updated the Flickr with stadium pictures, but it’s only up to November 3rd sadly.stljakeh wrote:Stadium update from the STL Sports Commission.
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Thought this was some good eye candy that may also help those following the construction progress photos. It's an aerial photo from May, with layers indicating locations of the stadium pitch, lower bowl seating, loading dock/service tunnel, foundation elements, the new street layout, etc. This plan pre-dates the South of Market addendum that turned the HQ building into a "Pavilion", however.
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Site Logistics Plan:
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They are closing off Clark between 21st and 22nd? Disappointing.
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Well.....Clark between 21st and 22nd doesn’t exist in present day nor has it for 50 years and this is a logistics plan for during construction. Clark will exist for the first time in decades between 21st and 22nd after construction.
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I didn't know it was non-existent; I can't say I've ever been down there. It seems that if they were going through the trouble to re-pave and re-route it, they'd at least open it up.
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Again, it will be after construction. And again the plan about is logistics plan for the 2020-2022 mls stadium construction phase.
This aerial image explains pretty clearly why Clark between 21st and 22nd hasn't existed for half a century...Elek.borrelli wrote: ↑Nov 26, 2020I didn't know it was non-existent; I can't say I've ever been down there. It seems that if they were going through the trouble to re-pave and re-route it, they'd at least open it up.
The red and green bars on the logistics plan are vehicle and personnel gates, respectively, through the construction fencing (the blue lines and squares), all of which are temporary.Elek.borrelli wrote: ↑Nov 26, 2020They are closing off Clark between 21st and 22nd? Disappointing.
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Latest site improvement plans for the practice fields https://www.dropbox.com/s/5pvgldxahu8wqac/MLS%20Site%20Improvement%20Plans.pdf?dl=0. Looks like there will be a lot of retaining walls (9 altogether). Some as high as 20 feet near the service tunnel. Looks like 2 grass fields and 1 synthetic turf field with 8-foot "anti-climb" fences around them. They also show portions of the GRG walking/biking trail.
Also............another parking lot by the new Highway 64/22nd street interchange.
Also............another parking lot by the new Highway 64/22nd street interchange.
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Nice! The little pavilion on Market looks like a nice little corner building too. Love the skyline views!
Sure looks like the team offices will still be along market. That pavilion building looks to be about three stories? Post article mentions the team offices are still south of Market somewhere.
^ I believe the team offices have moved to the larger building further south near the middle practice field as that building got much larger in the last revision. Looks like this pavilion building will be a team store:
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That building is detailed here:Briefing reporters on progress at the stadium site, architects for the ownership group detailed plans for a new stand-alone team store and outdoor pavilion south of Market Street, near planned practice fields and team offices.
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One of my friends noticed lights on in the AT&T building... 
...what do they know?
...what do they know?