4565 - 91 McRee Bar-K/Green Street HQ/ The Rail Apartments

beer city · PostNov 08, 2019#12019-11-08T23:01+00:00

LCRA request to blight 4565-91 McRee by Green Street - looks like a rehab of the old Cardinal Supply building into offices, "Bar K" and charging stations

the one story warehouse next door to be demoed for a "Possible entertainment tenant" that will employ up to 300 and cost 28 million -

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... erials.pdf

TCB · PostNov 09, 2019#22019-11-09T15:04+00:00

Wondering if the entertainment tenant is the same group that is using the plumbers supply building before they tear it down for apartments.

urban_dilettante · PostNov 10, 2019#32019-11-10T20:01+00:00

^ i can't imagine they would employ anywhere near 300 people. it's such a weird, desolate location for an entertainment tenant.

chaifetz10 · PostNov 10, 2019#42019-11-10T21:54+00:00

My guess is Dave and Busters plus a smaller tenant or two in out lot buildings. And the location may not seem logical right now, but it's also fairly close to major interstates and between areas that have been red lot (CWE, TGS, Cortex, etc).

urban_dilettante · PostNov 10, 2019#52019-11-10T22:04+00:00

^ Round 1?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox2now.co ... enter/amp/

chriss752 · PostNov 11, 2019#62019-11-11T05:11+00:00

It's going to be interesting to see who they get to move in here. I've been told by a few people that this is a Phase 1. More things to come for McRee.

flipz · PostNov 11, 2019#72019-11-11T15:22+00:00

chaifetz10 wrote: ↑
Nov 10, 2019
My guess is Dave and Busters plus a smaller tenant or two in out lot buildings. And the location may not seem logical right now, but it's also fairly close to major interstates and between areas that have been red lot (CWE, TGS, Cortex, etc).

Also a very busy road.

chriss752 · PostDec 04, 2019#82019-12-04T21:57+00:00

Bar K is coming to this development.

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... ssion=true

urbanitas · PostDec 05, 2019#92019-12-05T08:12+00:00

chriss752 wrote: ↑
Dec 04, 2019
Bar K is coming to this development.

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... ssion=true

This seems a really odd place for this concept, but I guess the land is cheap.

pdm_ad · PostDec 05, 2019#102019-12-05T13:05+00:00

I do enjoy the fact that there seems to be a new development proposal in the PD at least weekly. It's been a long time since we have had this many proposals and construction in our central corridor.

Black02AltimaSE · PostDec 05, 2019#112019-12-05T14:08+00:00

If they can find a way to put in a pedestrian bridge over the tracks to link to the Grove, with all of the new residential going in, this place will do very well at this location.

urbanitas · PostDec 06, 2019#122019-12-06T00:15+00:00

Black02AltimaSE wrote: ↑
Dec 05, 2019
If they can find a way to put in a pedestrian bridge over the tracks to link to the Grove, with all of the new residential going in, this place will do very well at this location.

I'm sure they could if Green Street wants to spring a few million for it. It would tie into their Swan / Taylor and Newstead / Vista projects perfectly.

Are there long-term plans for the Union Pacific spur that goes past the east side of this site? Future Greenway trail?

quincunx · PostMay 03, 2020#132020-05-03T14:54+00:00

$4M building permit app submitted

PostNov 07, 2020#142020-11-07T18:13+00:00

$4.5M building permit application submitted

sc4mayor · PostDec 02, 2020#152020-12-02T03:45+00:00

Now includes Green Street's HQ (moving from Clayton) and a 260 unit apartment building:

Bar K rendering and site plan:

chriss752 · PostDec 02, 2020#162020-12-02T03:49+00:00

Two more renderings. One of the patio and one showing the front (GadellNet is moving here?)

200520+Bar+K_Patio+Overview.jpg (393.12KiB)

200518+Exterior_Gadellnet+Entry.jpg (235.51KiB)

symphonicpoet · PostDec 02, 2020#172020-12-02T06:00+00:00

I'm half surprised the railroad's aren't labeled "St. Louis, Iron Mountain and Southern" and "Atlantic and Pacific Railroad." (Given that they're respectively UP and BNSF these days, and only one of those routes was ever really controlled by dear MoP. Though they did have that other line just off the map to the north.) But all quasi-historic nonsense aside, this is a neat project and I'm glad to see them incorporating a couple of interesting, if unassuming warehouses. Good luck to them!

beer city · PostDec 02, 2020#182020-12-02T23:49+00:00

McRee is a pretty forlorn looking street but it is a directly connected link to two of the busier NS streets... and do not overlook the power of the dog bar - my guess is that dog ownership in these units will be knocking on 90%

urbanitas · PostDec 03, 2020#192020-12-03T05:51+00:00

It's not like St. Louis has any shortage of vacant or underutilized industrial lots adjacent to the eight hundred little pockets of activity our ADD-afflicted city planners have already created...

There are dozens of such lots along Vandeventer, Chouteau, Manchester, Delmar, Grand, Kingshighway, Olive, etc. where this type of project would complement and really help create an active streetscape around existing neighborhoods and development efforts (many of which desperately need it). Steelcote, Soho, Woodward Lofts, etc. do that.

This doesn't. There just isn't anything along McRee upon which to build, or adjacent neighborhoods to connect, and not even much potential for residential renovation, except maybe the 2-story MEECO/Bed Guy building at Kingshighway...

If they want to build here fine, that's their business, but why would the city want to provide incentives?

Black02AltimaSE · PostDec 03, 2020#202020-12-03T12:42+00:00

I would think there must be some plan to get bike/walk access from McRee to the Grove at either Taylor or Newstead. Once you have that, it is opened up to Wash U Med and Cortex as well.

sc4mayor · PostDec 03, 2020#212020-12-03T17:43+00:00

Am I the only one that thinks the argument that "there just isn't anything along McRee upon which to build, or adjacent neighborhoods to connect..." is maybe a little ridiculous?

You're not gonna get any argument from me regarding the current ugliness of the area...but the far end of this project site is only ~2,000' from the intersection of Tower Grove and McRee. An intersection with at least 5 or 6 cafes or eateries, a school, and a few other nearby businesses in a growing and rapidly infilling neighborhood. Combine that with the planned (and I believe mostly funded) cycle track coming to Tower Grove Avenue between Tower Grove Park and Cortex and a quick bike ride from this proposed apartment building could quickly get you into more dense, active parts of the city. Obviously pedestrian enhancements would need to be made around Vandeventer and McRee, especially where the highway exits...but that could be done. A hypothetical connection over the tracks to the Grove would do even more.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. At the end of the day, none of us really know what the future holds. Whose to say that as Botanical Heights continues to grow some of these industrial businesses don't relocate allowing Green Street to further tie the area together? Gotta start somewhere...

framer · PostDec 03, 2020#222020-12-03T18:00+00:00

They're clearly building for the long term. Also, we don't know what other parcels in the area they may already have options on.

billikens&bricks · PostDec 03, 2020#232020-12-03T18:17+00:00

UIC created this vision for the Grove/Botanical Heights a while back. They envisioned some of the stuff being discussed here.

https://nextstl.com/2012/08/vandegrove- ... ision-for/

sc4mayor · PostDec 03, 2020#242020-12-03T18:22+00:00

^ Thanks for posting! So yeah...as Framer said...definitely planning for the long term:

chriss752 · PostDec 03, 2020#252020-12-03T18:26+00:00

Green Street is incredibly bullish on the Grove area of town. From "Union" and "Terra" to the planned project at Liberty Bell Oil on Vandeventer, to McRee, they're going all in here.

It has been said many times that they have a big vision for McRee and it will require working with other property owners to buy up the and needed for future development. Some properties are probably already quietly under contract without us knowing. The construction of 260 apartments on McRee + The Bar K bar + office space could just be considered a "Phase 1" in my mind for the redevelopment of McRee.

Finally, I'd expect the Water Department to move out. Especially if Green Street offers the City a fair amount of money. We will see though. I applaud Green Street going all in on this