They won’t reopen as LPG but my sources say once covid settles, a new concept may open
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Downtown St. Louis Group Lays Out 10-Year Development Plan, Seeks Public Input
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/economy ... blic-input
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/economy ... blic-input
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^That's an odd choice of picture for a story about downtown development.
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Make that the entire region. Downtown is the face of the region whether the people in the counties like it or not. Nobody thinking about moving their business or family cares about how nice our suburbs are when the first thing they see is our struggling downtown.“The entire city government needs to invest in this particular solution of ‘How can we make downtown a safer place? How can it be more secure? How can we take care of our infrastructure?’”
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Happy to see that there is a focus on diversifying housing downtown. Will make a big difference. Wonder how they will work to incentivize rowhouse construction in DT West when current landowners seem content on sitting on parking lots (or creating new ones...), though.
Does anyone have a sense of their commitment and strategy to accomplishing these recommendations in the short term? I know Arch to Park is involved, so is there funding?
I’m having trouble trusting another planning effort unless there is a change from the typical “we’ll implement when money comes along”
I’m having trouble trusting another planning effort unless there is a change from the typical “we’ll implement when money comes along”
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St. Louis is never short on plans and studies. (by the way, somebody might want to show this plan to Enterprise. all the perspective drawings show the current 1900 Olive buildings living harmoniously alongside new construction. they probably haven't thought of that.)
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Counterpoint - this is just a conceptual plan and site acquisition, financing, design, and construction for any of these are years out even on an overly optimistic timeline. Are we really expecting the owners of many of these parking lots to sell their land at a cheap enough price for construction to be profitable for the chosen developers / financially attainable for owners? This plan looks great on paper, but unless there's dedicated financing in place I have doubts that it ever gets built out as presented.
As for the Enterprise comment, they're almost certainly playing the long game with plans we're not privy to yet. I doubt that some conceptual plan from Downtown STL is going to impact their vision. It's more than likely not that Enterprise hasn't "thought of that" as much as it is they have their own vision for that section of Olive.
As for the Enterprise comment, they're almost certainly playing the long game with plans we're not privy to yet. I doubt that some conceptual plan from Downtown STL is going to impact their vision. It's more than likely not that Enterprise hasn't "thought of that" as much as it is they have their own vision for that section of Olive.
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pretty sure nobody thought otherwise.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Sep 10, 2020Counterpoint - this is just a conceptual plan and site acquisition, financing, design, and construction for any of these are years out even on an overly optimistic timeline.
not until the city makes it financially undesirable to sit on parking lots and speculate indefinitely.Are we really expecting the owners of many of these parking lots to sell their land at a cheap enough price for construction to be profitable for the chosen developers / financially attainable for owners? This plan looks great on paper, but unless there's dedicated financing in place I have doubts that it ever gets built out as presented.not
no kidding. it was sarcasm. unfortunately, St. Louis' corporate movers and shakers have a pretty dismal track record when it comes to "their own vision" and "the long game."As for the Enterprise comment, they're almost certainly playing the long game with plans we're not privy to yet. I doubt that some conceptual plan from Downtown STL is going to impact their vision. It's more than likely not that Enterprise hasn't "thought of that" as much as it is they have their own vision for that section of Olive.
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MX Movies (apparently open) will be shutting downs for the rest of 2020 due to covid. They plan to re open in 2021
Before corona, was this even a good place to see a movie? It just seems odd to me that there is this movie theater in downtown that you don't really hear much about and that whenever I went by in normal times, it seemed quiet compared to movie theaters elsewhere.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2020MX Movies (apparently open) will be shutting downs for the rest of 2020 due to covid. They plan to re open in 2021
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I always enjoyed the movie experience here, though it was always a lot quieter than others. This is the same company as the Moolah if I'm not mistaken.
^Yes, "STL Cinemas", same company as Moolah, Chase, and Tivoli.
I enjoy going there. But there were finish issues like seats having rips, or swing-out tables that just hadn't been cleaned. They also suck at marketing.
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dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 09, 2020New men’s clothing store at one of the 1307 Washington retail spaces. Suits, ties, shoes, shirts.
Yes it was. The $1 parking in the garage was great: especially when it was raining, during winter months or when it was hot outside.chriss752 wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2020Before corona, was this even a good place to see a movie? It just seems odd to me that there is this movie theater in downtown that you don't really hear much about and that whenever I went by in normal times, it seemed quiet compared to movie theaters elsewhere.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2020MX Movies (apparently open) will be shutting downs for the rest of 2020 due to covid. They plan to re open in 2021
We probably saw 1/2 of our movies there. Sorry if that baffles you
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Drove around downtown last night (Saturday) and you could tell the huge difference: and this was just at 8pmish. Even with the calming measures the driving was nuts. Cars running red lights, driving wrong way, doing 70mph down Clark, cutting you off. In 30 years of being/coming downtown it was the craziest behavior I’d seen outside of the World Series and Stanley Cup wins.
^ Yeah...I was in a bad car accident a little over a week ago, it was in Illinois but it was an STL City resident. Speeding, distracted, cut across the road and broadsided me at probably close to 45 miles per hour (15 over the posted speed limit). With all the stuff I'm hearing about sh*tty, dangerous drivers downtown and elsewhere in the City, I'm just not going down there anymore unless it's just passing through on the interstate. I don't need another distracted, speeding dumbass down there to take out the new car I just got.
Doesn’t baffle me at all. It’s good to hear that many people got enjoyment out of it. Hopefully it comes back so that Downtown can keep this amenitydweebe wrote:Yes it was. The $1 parking in the garage was great: especially when it was raining, during winter months or when it was hot outside.chriss752 wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2020Before corona, was this even a good place to see a movie? It just seems odd to me that there is this movie theater in downtown that you don't really hear much about and that whenever I went by in normal times, it seemed quiet compared to movie theaters elsewhere.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2020MX Movies (apparently open) will be shutting downs for the rest of 2020 due to covid. They plan to re open in 2021
We probably saw 1/2 of our movies there. Sorry if that baffles you
You already know your goals. What is the point of the study? Start working on achieving those goals. Figuring out what to do is easy. You could:
- Become the region’s most walkable and diverse neighborhood.
- Expand the neighborhood’s economy to better support startups and existing businesses.
- Redesign streets to create a better bike, pedestrian and transit network.
- Provide more vibrant public spaces and green infrastructure.
- Share more stories through marketing channels about the people and places that make downtown unique.
Read some books by Jane Jacobs, Jeef, Speck, Brent Toderian, Chuck Marohn, Joe Minicozii, and many others
Watch their videos
Read their tweets
Listen to your professional staff who have and would like to implement what they've learned/done before.
We've had innumerable studies to tell us what to do that have gone ignored.
Instead of putting time into studying how to enhance walkability downtown, shouldn't you be on the horn trying to save buildings that contribute to its walkability?
When leadership wanted something like CAR and New NFL stadium we saw it in action.
And, if memory serves, the tickets weren't anymore than $10 post-matinee. Pretty cool little place. Sucks they're shutting down for a few months, but if it ensures their future I'll take it.dweebe wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2020Yes it was. The $1 parking in the garage was great: especially when it was raining, during winter months or when it was hot outside.chriss752 wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2020Before corona, was this even a good place to see a movie? It just seems odd to me that there is this movie theater in downtown that you don't really hear much about and that whenever I went by in normal times, it seemed quiet compared to movie theaters elsewhere.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2020MX Movies (apparently open) will be shutting downs for the rest of 2020 due to covid. They plan to re open in 2021
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^^ like you said, studies make it look like leadership is doing something in lieu of actually doing something. doing something is hard, and you don't actually have to do anything to get re-elected in St. Louis (except not piss off sportsball fans because that's all anybody cares about) so why bother.
Any study worth anything will say "develop a form-base code." Duh.
So don't do the study and use the money to develop a form-based code. We desperately need the FBC, not another study.
So don't do the study and use the money to develop a form-based code. We desperately need the FBC, not another study.
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