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PostAug 07, 2020#4901

Did they break their new toy already?

I was looking for the LED panel on approach to Lambert, specifically to see how bright it is from above and for landing pilots, but alas it was off. From the webcam, it doesn't look like it's been on at all for weeks, not even during games.

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PostAug 07, 2020#4902

urbanitas wrote:Did they break their new toy already?

  I looked for the LED panel on approach to Lambert, just to see how bright it was from above, but alas it was off. From the webcam, it doesn't look like it's been on at all for weeks, not even during games.
No reason to be “burning” through the life span of the screen if there is no one around to see it and no one willing to advertise on it.

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PostAug 19, 2020#4903

It was turned back on tonight.

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PostAug 19, 2020#4904

ldai_phs wrote:
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urbanitas wrote:Did they break their new toy already?

  I looked for the LED panel on approach to Lambert, just to see how bright it was from above, but alas it was off. From the webcam, it doesn't look like it's been on at all for weeks, not even during games.
No reason to be “burning” through the life span of the screen if there is no one around to see it and no one willing to advertise on it.
That hasn't stopped them from running those two long banner displays on the front of Cardinals Nation literally 24/7.

And as Gary said, and what I was about to post, it's back on.  Showing ads and interior images for OCW, some Cardinals and team logo, etc.

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PostAug 20, 2020#4905

Only one retail space left in the hotel/office portion and that’s next to the Baseballism store. A whiskey place is going in next to Sports and Social. Starbucks goes next to the lobby.


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PostAug 20, 2020#4906

Looks good to me

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PostAug 20, 2020#4907

^^I assume that is a bar, and not a liquor store? 😉

Apparently this is by the owner of Village Whiskey in Philly. It will be the second location. 

The space seems small for a full bar and restaurant though, and there's already Clark & Bourbon in the Loews right around the corner. So, I'm guessing that this will be more of an upscale take-out burger place...that serves whiskey-based drinks...? A Shake Shack with hooch?

Interesting note: their Philly restaurant is right across the street from Shake Shack...

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PostAug 21, 2020#4908

chriss752 wrote:
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Only one retail space left in the hotel/office portion and that’s next to the Baseballism store. A whiskey place is going in next to Sports and Social. Starbucks goes next to the lobby.

A bank, a coffee shop, a boutique retailer, a gym.... nice to see the "village" start to emerge within BPV. 

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PostAug 21, 2020#4909

The Philly location looks to be equally tiny. An interesting business model in a location that relies heavily on baseball crowds and is otherwise relatively desolate. I am looking forward to it though, it's nice to see a non-corporate eatery in the mix. I would eat here. 

Edit: Now I'm stuck in in a Philly Google Maps rabbit hole. What a great city.
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PostAug 21, 2020#4910

^ At the risk of taking us off topic...I LOVE Philly. Reminds me of a much bigger St. Louis. With all the self-loathing to boot!

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PostAug 21, 2020#4911

^ at the risk of taking the thread even more off topic... 😬

i guess i'm one of the few who dislikes Philly. i've been spending a fair amount of time there these days because my spouse works there. i appreciate the walkability, of course, but i don't find it a very enjoyable place to walk around. so much of the city is in disrepair—even many of the "nice" parts like the area right around Washington Square (which makes sense, i suppose, given that it's the poorest large city in the US). and the bad parts are like nothing i've ever seen before (even compared to N. STL—the difference is that the buildings are all barely still standing and somehow occupied). vast swaths of the city are virtually treeless and covered in concrete. lots of trash everywhere (not too many alleys in Philly for trash service) and lots of in-use dilapidation. ironically, despite Philly's walkability and density it's still not uncommon to find food deserts, especially in West Philly. i enjoy walking around in Chicago, DC, Boston, etc. (yes, granted, much wealthier cities) a lot more. anyway, just my opinion. not trying to start a fight or persuade anyone of anything.

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PostAug 21, 2020#4912

I thought one of the more interesting things I learned about Philly the handful of times I've been was that in the more shorter/denser areas they built homes on the main streets and then at some point home owners sold their side and/or back lots, to which they built houses facing the alleys. Crazy to look at once you notice it... 

Their alcohol restaurant rules are nuts, but also save me a lot of money when dining out. 

Last odd thing is that since they don't have any alleys they take their trash out the front and when the rats/racoons/possums get into their trash the streets look like such a mess. 

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Alley homes
 

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PostAug 22, 2020#4914

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
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The Philly location looks to be equally tiny. An interesting business model in a location that relies heavily on baseball crowds and is otherwise relatively desolate. I am looking forward to it though, it's nice to see a non-corporate eatery in the mix. I would eat here. 
It's an interesting concept, but those burgers and drinks are either going to have to be super pricey or they are going to have to churn them out like a Burger King to make this work.

As to the "non-corporate eatery", the guy (Jose Garces) owns a dozen or more restaurants, so it's a decent-sized restaurant group. If it works, I bet you will see a lot more of these establishments pop up at other Cordish properties, as a sort of replacement / competitor to Shake Shack.

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PostAug 22, 2020#4915

Is having a big indoor space all that important since they’re next to that large plaza with tons of seating?


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PostAug 22, 2020#4916

One Cardinal Way tonight.  Looks like there's a little party on the amenity deck and several folks out on their balconies...or it may just be a bunch of furniture lol.


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PostAug 23, 2020#4918

^ Nice!  Pretty sure that Mike England was my high school principal lol.

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PostAug 23, 2020#4919

That view will be made better once those 3 other parking lots are developed. The view is already vastly improved over how it would've been if only OCW was building and the other 3 buildings of Phase 2 weren't. 

PostAug 24, 2020#4920

I took a walk around the development today. I was glad to see that the sidewalk is now fully open on Cardinal Way from Broadway to 8th.  Now that Phase 2 is 98% complete (still putting finishing touches on One Cardinal Way's entrance and Clark Street retail space), I can grade it accordingly. I'll grade each portion of Phase 2 separately.

CARDINAL WAY
Cardinal Way itself is quiet for now. However, I give plenty of good points to this portion of the development due to the following factors...
  1. Plenty of retail spaces and lobbies facing out onto that street. There are 10 retail spaces and 3 lobbies (technically 4 if you consider the vestibule into LIVE! as a lobby) facing out onto Cardinal Way. 
  2. The brick sidewalks make for a nice touch than simple concrete.
  3. The street trees will be a nice touch once they grow up and provide a decent amount of shade. They also add color to the short street. However, some of these trees appeared dead already. Hopefully next spring, they'll be in bloom with the others.
  4. The sidewalks are plenty wide in front of Phase 1 and OneLife. This allows for outdoor seating.
  5. Inclusion of small bike rack things.
There are some downsides to Cardinal Way that I identified...
  1. Random crosswalk locations that don't make much sense for now.
  2. The entrance to the PwC Pennant Building garage is along Cardinal Way and is really disappointing. 
  3. Sidewalks in front of PwC Pennant Building aren't wide enough for outdoor seating, which could be a problem for Starbucks.
Once three other buildings are built, I'd expect this to be the "Main Street" of the development with most of the stores and restaurants looking out onto it. I would like to see wider sidewalks on the other side of the street for more outdoor seating, but I guess that's to be determined based on building design of those blocks.

Overall, I give "Cardinal Way" a Grade A-.



PWC PENNANT BUILDING
The office building is a great addition to the neighborhood. It was a gamble on Downtown and unfortunately the only office building I see being built at Ballpark Village. While all the retail spaces in the building are leased, office remains just over 66% leased with just 3 tenants calling the building home...
  1. PwC
  2. ButcherJoseph
  3. Fox Sports
The glassy, 4-story office portion of the building looks good, the parking garage portion will not age very well. The precast garage pieces will look dirty after a while if proper maintenance is not done. At least the first floor of the building is halfway decent but its 8th street side is compromised by the large receiving dock and Cardinal Way has the issue of the garage entrance.

Overall, I give the PwC Pennant Building a Grade C+


LIVE BY LOEWS
This aspect of the project is pretty solid. The precast facade is really the only let down here. The hotel gets a boost from the patio space along Clark for the lobby restaurant, three retail spaces (2 of which are leased), and a second floor bar space overlooking the Together Credit Union Plaza.

I give Live by Loews a Grade A+.

TOGETHER CREDIT UNION PLAZA
Honestly, the name isn't needed. Field of Dreams Plaza or Busch 2 Infield sound much better. However, the space is quite nice with 4 buildings overlooking it. The "Walk of Fame" is a nice touch as well. The stage is the part that I feel was an afterthought. It just looks temporary to me, but at least it's functional. 

Plaza Grade: A




ONELIFE BUILDING
3-stories and 2 tenants are the main highlights about this building. It's also all glass, so that's neat (to me at least). However, I do have a problem with the garage door on Cardinal Way. I know it's for a loading dock, but I think it would've been better suited for a mini-bar or something that's mostly outdoors.

I give OneLife's building a Grade A.

ONE CARDINAL WAY
The most visible building in Phase 2 is also one that I have a lot of good things to say about and a lot of bad. I'll start with the good.
  1. 29-stories. Adds a new building to the skyline.
  2. 297 apartment units (74% of which are leased), which gets people living at Ballpark Village and creates a product for other developments on the near vicinity to go off of depending on long term success.
  3. 3 retail spaces with one being occupied by Salt + Smoke. Brings a decent BBQ joint to the neighborhood.
  4. Strong street presences along Cardinal Way and Clark.
And now for the bad...
  1. Broadway is a lost cause. No retail space entrances and only a few windows. Long brick walls also make it a lost cause.
  2. Parking garage entrance and loading dock right in the middle of the frontage on Broadway.
  3. "Crown" screen. It's really tacky for what should be a sophisticated building.
  4. Parking garage is too "dark". The lighter gray used on the high-rise portion of the tower should've been put on the garage as well.
Despite my critiques, it's a good building and sets the design precedent for future residential high-rises at Ballpark Village, those being 2 and 3 Cardinal Way. However, I would advise Cordish not do a "Light Towers" move and clad each building in the same shade of glass. You don't want to create a monotonous wall of same colored glass. Change it up a little with each additional building and maybe change the designs a little bit. Also, they really shouldn't do another "Sky Screen". 

Overall, I give One Cardinal Way a Grade B+ with the hope that future residential towers address the 4 "cons" I came up with. I really think Cordish is learning a lot with their 3 completed residential towers (1 and 2 Light in KC and OCW here). Each residential tower they do will get progressively better in different aspects.












To wrap up this post, here are some photos of retail spaces where just announced businesses will go. First two are where "Village Whiskey" will go. Second is where Starbucks will go. 




And a few other pictures. First is of "6 Cardinal Way". Second is of a new screen installed on Phase 1. You can see some covered windows in the first photo under the canopy for the office building. Those windows will look into "Village Whiskey".



FINAL COMMENT: For a Sunday, I was happy to see a few people out down at Ballpark Village. If coronavirus wasn't going on, I could see this place being busier on Sundays than what it was today. I do think that once things go back to normal this will be a busy place to be on both Cardinals Game days and non-game days. Not as busy as Power and Light District, but it will be busier than what it was when Phase 1 was the only thing here.

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PostAug 24, 2020#4921

Thanks, Chris.  Good stuff overall.  Disappointing about the office space...I figured there wasn't a ton of demand for it, but I thought maybe a brand new building in the midst of a new development might spur some interest.  Glad to see all the retail spaces basically filled at this point.  On that point: do you think they intentionally didn't include any along 8th or Broadway to have it all "inside" of the village (whether along Clark or Cardinal Way)?  If that's the case, I wouldn't expect any along Walnut whenever they build out the rest of this site.  Still looking forward to seeing what's in store for those three lots (or possibly beyond?).

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PostAug 24, 2020#4922

office building being 66% leased while opening just before a deadly pandemic isn't bad at all. 

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PostAug 24, 2020#4923

EssTeeEll wrote:
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Thanks, Chris.  Good stuff overall.  Disappointing about the office space...I figured there wasn't a ton of demand for it, but I thought maybe a brand new building in the midst of a new development might spur some interest.  Glad to see all the retail spaces basically filled at this point.  On that point: do you think they intentionally didn't include any along 8th or Broadway to have it all "inside" of the village (whether along Clark or Cardinal Way)?  If that's the case, I wouldn't expect any along Walnut whenever they build out the rest of this site.  Still looking forward to seeing what's in store for those three lots (or possibly beyond?).
I think Cardinal Way was always supposed to be the "Main Street" of the development with 6th and 7th (those short little north-south streets), also having some retail along them. I won't write off Walnut, Broadway or 8th yet. I'd imagine those streets will see some sort of activation at the ground floor, but probably no where near as much as what will be seen along Cardinal Way

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PostAug 24, 2020#4924

pattimagee wrote:
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Their alcohol restaurant rules are nuts, but also save me a lot of money when dining out. 
I Googled "Philadelphia alcohol restaurant rules" and got nothing except for a temporary COVID-19 related restriction which requires a food purchase with all alcohol sales in restaurants.

I'm desperately curious to know what these rules are.

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pattimagee wrote:
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Alley homes
 
Loving it.

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