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sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Aug 22, 2020

One Cardinal Way tonight.  Looks like there's a little party on the amenity deck and several folks out on their balconies...or it may just be a bunch of furniture lol.

That was almost certainly people watching the game.

I spent a few months in Pittsburgh and go to Philly for work a couple times a year. The whole state liquor store thing is weird, and the fact that you can only buy one (or 2?) 6-packs at a time at a grocery store is annoying, but I don't recall restaurant alcohol rules being out of the ordinary

^ seems like lots of restaurants do BYOB. and the liquor sections in grocery stores have to be separated from everything else. maybe it's just an overall cost of living thing, but beer seems to be significantly more expensive in Philly than other places.

SeattleNative wrote: ↑

Aug 22, 2020

Is having a big indoor space all that important since they’re next to that large plaza with tons of seating.

Maybe not, but that space is obviously shared between multiple tenants, and tables are limited, especially now. That's why I am thinking this Village Whiskey will be designed for more of a takeout business model rather than full service restaurant with tables and servers. 

Apparently there is, however, a Ballpark Village app which allows you to place an order from any of the BPV establishments, and they will bring it to you. Not sure if you have to be sitting at a table in the plaza, or whether this applies to hard alcohol... Has anyone here tried this?

Personally, I think a good ol' fashioned sidewalk-facing order / takeout window would be awesome here, with some surly guys in greasy aprons taking orders and grilling burgers in the background...

Eh, but that would probably be too "gritty" for the Cardishites. *sighs*

Interesting to see Cordish planning on bringing the Spark Coworking concept to BPV. They’re about ready to open the location in KC. I imagine ours will go in the PwC Pennant Building.

chriss752 wrote:
Interesting to see Cordish planning on bringing the Spark Coworking concept to BPV. They’re about ready to open the location in KC. I imagine ours will go in the PwC Pennant Building.

Not bad to see more coworking spaces popping up with an increase in remote work.


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Is there really increasing demand for coworking spaces? I would think the market would have been saturated prior to coronavirus and destroyed after.

pattimagee wrote: ↑

Aug 26, 2020

I was trying to imagine this demand scenario myself... but maybe its that with increased remote working, people will need more places to meetup, present, or have some in-person sessions more often? I could see that being the case for a lot of people... 

It is exactly this. I am aware of a couple of businesses downtown/downtown west that are not resigning leases because they have maintained profitability via WFH so instead are going to rent space on an as-needed basis for those big client meetings, team meetings, etc. 

Any attempt at resurrecting pre-covid office demand should be brought down quickly. I see no reason to anticipate a return to normal, which in DT STL was already bleak. DT needs to focus on being the best neighborhood for residents. Build up public amenities and internal neighborhood mobility.

Any developer, including BPV, should be focusing on leisure/hospitality and WFH friendly residential.

^So, unless they still aren't finished with it (they are still working on the parapet), 2/3 of the "Crown" will basically be just a rooftop mechanical screen with glass stuck on one side... 

 It looks odd from the east, more like steps than an angle.

Great pictures, just for the record. Thank you. Nice to see it from a variety of angles. The screen looks a lot better, I'd say, when it's displaying simple, dark, bold imagery, or accidentally creating the illusion of a hole through to the sunset. Anyway, all in all that looks great! Thanks!

^That guy gets some fun gigs. He's really good at it, too. 

Cool video


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That was not what I was expecting. I like it. Needs audio. That said . . . Awesome!

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Aug 25, 2020

Interesting to see Cordish planning on bringing the Spark Coworking concept to BPV. They’re about ready to open the location in KC. I imagine ours will go in the PwC Pennant Building.

Twitter account was changed. Photos removed and now it's simple "SStLouis" for the name. It also lost a follower, so not sure who that could've been. Further, the account unfollowed the 19 accounts it was following.

I know for a fact that people from Cordish view this forum because this is the only place I shared this screenshot. 

To the people from Cordish who view this Forum: why hide it? We aren't upset about the idea any. No need to hide it. Just announce it to keep the momentum and focus up on Ballpark Village. Many of us surely assumed STL would get Spark after the concept opened in Baltimore, a location was planned in Louisville, and will open soon at 2 Light in KC, so it was only a matter of time until it was brought here.

So to end this post, the @SparkStLouis Twitter account joins the @TwoCardinalWay, @3CardinalWay and @FourCardinalWay (all joined In February 2020, Four's account is suspended) Twitter accounts as more or less revealing the future intentions at BPV. The web addresses for all of those things are reserved too (spark-stl.com, twocardinalway.com, threecardinalway.com, and fourcardinalway.com). This is the same type of stuff, as I've said before, that was done for the Light Towers in KC with both @FourLightKC and @FiveLightKC being reserved Twitter accounts. @ThreeLightKC is still reserved despite the website being activated and published. So, I'll go out on a edge and say that we can expect three more residential focused buildings at Ballpark Village with maybe one, or all, including something else besides apartments, parking, and retail space.

The next logical step is to see what the buildings look like. Renderings won't be floating around to find, so they'll have to be released. 

Re: Cordish following this forum, not likely. Most of their marketing decisions are done via their Baltimore corporate office.

If anything, there are people with the Biz Journal and Post Dispatch who do use this forum for story scoops and who probably reached out to Cordish for comment.

And don’t get too excited about those other domains and accounts. Even if that was Cordish who created them and secured the domains, they probably did so just out of precaution before someone else tried to. But it’s still entirely possible that someone’s domain squatting and simply betting on future BPV expansion to sell the domains for a profit.

Laife Fulk wrote: ↑

Aug 28, 2020

And don’t get too excited about those other domains and accounts. Even if that was Cordish who created them and secured the domains, they probably did so just out of precaution before someone else tried to. But it’s still entirely possible that someone’s domain squatting and simply betting on future BPV expansion to sell the domains for a profit.

This. Twitter handles are free and take about 5 minutes to set up, and squatting on a domain name costs next to nothing. If Cordish is the one who did it, it means they're holding onto them for future development, but not necessarily that said future development is imminent.

Would love to be wrong and will happily bump this post to eat crow if I am, but I'll be surprised if we get any official announcement about Phase III going forward before 2022. Maybe late 2021 if we're lucky. As for the possibility of announcing Spark as a new tenant in 6 Cardinal Way, that seems much more plausible as something that might be on the horizon in the near future.

I'll cross my fingers about three more residential buildings/towers...that'd be great.  Speaking of three...it kind of makes my eye twitch to see the Twitter handle using the numerical "3" while the other spell the numbers. 

At this point I would be surprised to see anything tall go into those lots besides residential. With office space nuked and downtown hotels overbuilt and then nuked, it's the only thing that really makes sense moving forward barring some kind of random corporate HQ moving in.