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PostJul 30, 2020#526

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:If anything we are attracting new folks from the expensive coasts that can suddenly work remotely. Housing market is going gangbusters.
Recent article I read noted we saw the the 3rd or 4th greatest profit increase from home sales over the last several months. The housing market is hot here.

And I think you’re right about us attracting people from more expensive markets.


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PostJul 31, 2020#527

It's all those people who saw 1 Portland Place on the national news and found out how much it cost.

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PostJul 31, 2020#528

Was just told by contacts at MAC that they expect most of their available units to be picked up this weekend.

WashU is kicking upper classmen off campus and renting hotels and apartments for the lower grades.

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PostJul 31, 2020#529

Based on the Downtown Residency Report of 2019, we are close to hitting 10,000 people in the greater downtown area.  Back in January, I would have been sure that we would finally push past that number by the end of the year with OCW coming online in August.  I have noticed, however, a lot of people voicing their displeasure at the current state of Downtown in general and noticed (what I consider to be) a sizable of amount people moving out of my building.  Granted, my building is near the corner of Washington and Tucker and typically sees a fair bit of action (not always the good kind), so perhaps it's more of an anomaly.  This is all anecdotal and ymmv, but based on what I hear my neighbors say and what our Nextdoor feed looks like, I would not be surprised if Downtown actually sees something of a population drop for 2020.

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PostJul 31, 2020#530

^ 10,000 in downtown core, greater downtown is closer to 20,000

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Based on the Downtown Residency Report of 2019, we are close to hitting 10,000 people in the greater downtown area.  Back in January, I would have been sure that we would finally push past that number by the end of the year with OCW coming online in August.  I have noticed, however, a lot of people voicing their displeasure at the current state of Downtown in general and noticed (what I consider to be) a sizable of amount people moving out of my building.  Granted, my building is near the corner of Washington and Tucker and typically sees a fair bit of action (not always the good kind), so perhaps it's more of an anomaly.  This is all anecdotal and ymmv, but based on what I hear my neighbors say and what our Nextdoor feed looks like, I would not be surprised if Downtown actually sees something of a population drop for 2020.
The activity I observed on Saturday, 7/18, around midnight on Wash. Ave left no doubt in my mind that residents would not feel safe and would be leaving the area.  I wonder if the cruising and sidewalk activity (mostly underage) happens on Fridays as well?  Can't imagine any restaurants or bars succeeding on just lunch and weekday nighttime business.  The Landing was experiencing the same thing.  Out of control underage activity drives away potential customers.  Period.  The streets are jammed to the point you can't even drive.  Such a shame all the development is now at risk.  I saw no effort to control the madness.  Close the street.  Enforce the curfew.  Or, watch the whole thing collapse.  If every summer brings this kind of activity, Wash. Ave is in for rough times.   

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PostJul 31, 2020#532

A friend of mine who lives in the Edison Condos is always posting pictures of drug dealing and open harassment of passersby right along 14th Street. He's been assaulted himself. He's a proud ex-New Yorker, who insists he won't be bullied out, but his Facebook posts don't make it look good for others.  

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PostJul 31, 2020#533

^^^ Thanks for the correction!

^^ I don't want to hijack this thread into talking about the cruising issue in the downtown area, but I will say that I think it was this last Saturday (maybe two Saturdays ago) that the police actually closed off the 1100 block of Washington for the evening sometime around 11:30-midnight (and I don't think it was because of a crime scene).  I know that it's fairly normal for the 1200 and 1300 blocks to be closed off after a certain time during the weekend, but this was the first time I had seen the 1100 block closed.  Without people cruising on Washington, it seemed to quiet things down a fair bit.  With all the parking lots available around Downtown, I would absolutely be in favor of turning many of the east-west streets, or just Washington at the very least, into pedestrian only after a certain time on the weekends.

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PostJul 31, 2020#534

Turn Washington into pedestrian only on weekends between 10th and 16 or so.

Sad that cruising and delinquency has to force that.  I don't think it was ever a bad idea, though, now it just seems blatantly obvious.

What else can you do besides tons of enforcement? The police have also reportedly found numerous stolen guns on some of these cruisers/street racers they've arrested and impounded.  Not exactly a great recipe.

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PostJul 31, 2020#535

Absolutely.  I really wonder why it hasn't been publicly considered before.  Pedestrian only with some bike cops between 10th-16th sounds to me like the way to go.  Who would be responsible for bringing about that change?  The DNA?

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PostJul 31, 2020#536

The city has inadvertently created the wash ave cruising (really parking in the middle of the street and hanging out) by blocking the normal spots for this on the south side of Kiener (they’ve placed jersey barriers to block the 45 degree parking) and the city has placed large boulders to block parking at the south end of the riverfront drive where these gatherings usually take place.

I’ve been in the Park Pacific building since sept and it’s had about 25 people move out and 25 move in this summer but that’s a normal summer for the building because SLU Law students make up a large portion of its residents.

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PostJul 31, 2020#537

So.. I suppose the only real answer is to put more police Downtown to crack down on it and actually enforce it.  Though, I suppose the risk is part of the thrill of racing down there.

Cruising is petty until people start drinking and brandishing weapons, which I've read has been happening every so often.

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PostJul 31, 2020#538

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:If anything we are attracting new folks from the expensive coasts that can suddenly work remotely. Housing market is going gangbusters.
STL made the Business Insider list for best cities to work from home from.

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PostAug 02, 2020#539

Is there any worry that the flood of WashU, SLU, Webster,etc students seeking off campus housing this year will displace working adults legitimately interested in moving here?

I was told that there may be over 10,000 potential students seeking housing from WashU/SLU searching for housing in the Central Corridor alone.

One Hundred has leased 120 units this weekend


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PostAug 02, 2020#540

Or people behind on their rent.

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PostAug 02, 2020#541

I would think that in person classes getting cancelled could reverse that demand quickly as people attempt sublease and move home

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PostAug 02, 2020#542

“We’re Screwed”: The Worst Months For Both Renters And Landlords Still Lie Ahead
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020 ... lie-ahead/

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PostAug 02, 2020#543

Met a guy on the elevator who is from wildwood and moving his daughter into Park Pacific (she’s starting at SLU law next month, they are doing in person optional or online). He has no 2nd thoughts about his daughter living downtown and he even said he wouldn’t mind to OCW in a few years when he and his wife retire.

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PostAug 02, 2020#544

120 units leased this weekend would put One Hundred at 50% occupancy, which is a big leap from 17%. Will One Hundred even be fully opened to residents by the start of the fall semester? Seems too good to be true.

Downtown needs to address the "vagrant" population. I'm not too concerned by the group living in the gateway mall as they don't do much harm, but those who wander around looking for innocent people who they can trick into giving them money need to be given the boot. Those people are pretty shady and sully the downtown experience. Usually, it's pretty certain that they'll go on and spend any money on alcohol or drugs. Not sure how that could be addressed. Maybe unarmed bike cops?

Also, what is the deal with the County PDs dropping off homeless people outside of city hall? There have been numerous reports of this happening, which is inherently unethical in so many ways. These leach cities have the resources to provide guidance and opportunities to these people, but they instead dump the problem on the already overflowing city. Over and over again, the county unloads its problems onto the city in order to save face. If that isn't synopsis of the St. Louis area over the past 70 years, I don't know what is.

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PostAug 02, 2020#545

One Hundred number came from the leasing agent. I had been looking at units there and at other buildings. Everything is filling up or filler and I am not sure I want to live in the new college student party castle.

WashU alone will have somewhere around 2,000-4,000 students looking to live off campus now. SLU just as many or more.


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PostAug 03, 2020#546

If 120 units did indeed lease to WashU or SLU students, all at the same time, that's going to be a logistics nightmare for move in and move out.  Multiple students per unit, probably just one freight elevator dedicated for moving, and then the loading dock is going to be a painful experience.  All it will take is one student to go past their moving window and everyone else is screwed.

Having lived in Washington, DC and Chicago - and having to go through the nightmare of reserving a freight elevator and loading dock to move in and out and dealing with people who went past their time in every instance - I wouldn't wish that evil on even my worst enemy.  

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Little follow up from the BJ about this:
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 1#cxrecs_s
Washington University’s reopening plan for the fall is poised to upend the residential rental market in neighborhoods that don’t traditionally count students as residents.

That’s because the university said it would guarantee housing on its Danforth Campus only for freshmen, with sophomores in residences on the campus’ north side and in off-campus university housing. Wash U said it also secured an additional 450 beds near campus, at Everly on the Loop and the Moonrise Hotel.
A lot of upperclassmen will be shut out, as the school stated that “some students who were expecting to live in Residential Life housing during the fall semester will not be able to do so.” A university spokeswoman, Julie Hail Flory, said as of June, it had applications to live in its housing — both on-campus and off — from 1,090 juniors and 556 seniors. Hail Flory said while the school doesn't place students in non-university housing, it does provide information and vetting services.  Those numbers mean that the Delmar Loop will be hard-pressed to meet the needs of affected students, said Michael Golde, a realtor with Avenue Real Estate Group who manages units in the area.

He said students are likely to look in other areas, including the Central West End, Skinker DeBaliviere and Clayton, particularly along its eastern boundaries, such as a multifamily area called the Moorlands.  Single-family homes may be scooped up too, with students banding together to rent them, he said.  In addition, prices are likely to be driven up, Golde said, particularly in areas with MetroLink access.

“These are not just random tenants” hitting the market, he said. “These are likely well-qualified, deep-resourced tenants who are in a desperate position.”
Saint Louis University hasn't yet detailed its fall housing policy. If it's similar, that could push thousands more students into the rental market.

Back at Wash U, some juniors and seniors may still make it into university housing. The school said special circumstances such as health, international student status, finances and “the safety of a student’s home situation” may cause it to bring some students into campus housing.

“In almost all cases,” though, “we anticipate that juniors and seniors will be required to live off-campus,” it said.

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PostAug 04, 2020#548

Wash U types have been pleading for student housing on Nextdoor here in U City.

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PostAug 04, 2020#549

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If 120 units did indeed lease to WashU or SLU students, all at the same time, that's going to be a logistics nightmare for move in and move out.  Multiple students per unit, probably just one freight elevator dedicated for moving, and then the loading dock is going to be a painful experience.  All it will take is one student to go past their moving window and everyone else is screwed.

Having lived in Washington, DC and Chicago - and having to go through the nightmare of reserving a freight elevator and loading dock to move in and out and dealing with people who went past their time in every instance - I wouldn't wish that evil on even my worst enemy.  
My brother lives on a street next to Northeastern University in Boston.  On move-in days, they don't allow normal street parking so student trucks and cars take over the streets for moving.  It's rather chaotic, but they've been doing this for years in Boston where 1thousands of students residents show up in late august and early September.  

This year at Tufts, where my daughter graduated last year, they will require students from Missouri to show up 2 weeks early and quarantine in the dorm for 2 weeks before classes start.  They will bring food to their rooms.

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PostAug 04, 2020#550

College move in day in Boston is enough of a cluster-f there that locals make plans to avoid driving that weekend. Tons of drivers in large vehicles they are unfamiliar with, on an incredibly confusing street grid they are also unfamiliar with.

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/201 ... -heat-map/

So many trucks get stuck under or collide with underpasses along Storrow Drive that "Storrowed" has become a verb.

https://www.boston.com/news/commute/201 ... uick-guide

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