I'm doubtful anything will happen on this front.
^ Then hopefully the city gets their pants sued off. Enough signatures were collected to put this on a ballot, whether or not the selfish folks of St. Louis will actually vote to move this region forward is another question...but if the city can’t even fulfill their constitutional duty then throw the ***** book at them.
Agreed. How does someone or some group sue the BoA to force them to comply?sc4mayor wrote: ↑Mar 13, 2020^ Then hopefully the city gets their pants sued off. Enough signatures were collected to put this on a ballot, whether or not the selfish folks of St. Louis will actually vote to move this region forward is another question...but if the city can’t even fulfill their constitutional duty then throw the ***** book at them.
I'll believe it when I see it. And making up for charging sales taxes on online sales with a state income tax cut is absurd given the state's likely budget hole. MOLeg has cut state taxes plenty in the last few years. Shifting taxation to sales taxes has rendered local gov's more fragile. It does the same for the state. Not to mention more regressive and encouraging insolvent development patterns.
Stltoday - No shopping and no sales tax means busted budgets for St. Louis area governments during coronavirus crisis
Stltoday - No shopping and no sales tax means busted budgets for St. Louis area governments during coronavirus crisis
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 55592.html“Some cities will seriously talk about how they can share services,” said the municipal league’s Kelly. “Others may have to either merge with another city or look to the county and become unincorporated.”
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Yeah, I was just wondering how many munis might possibly not survive this ordeal.
Relying on sales taxes is risky.
KMOX - Officers in Chesterfield could be furloughed due to pandemic
KMOX - Officers in Chesterfield could be furloughed due to pandemic
https://kmox.radio.com/articles/news/co ... esterfieldCoronavirus is hitting Chesterfield hard. Facing an up to $10 million loss in sales tax revenue, which makes up more than half of its budget, the city has furloughed 26 percent of it's workforce.
Stltoday - Krewson withdraws all of her freeholder nominees, says she will submit new names
https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/hea ... 41a01.html
https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/hea ... 41a01.html
Our favorite U City elected fragmentist has resigned.
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Did Krewson ever nominate new people to the freeholders or did that get corona'ed?
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Hypothetical question: since there are towns that are in multiple counties, Fenton being a good local example as it's both in St. Louis and Jefferson County, what if someone who live in unincorporated St. Louis County whose property bordered the city asked to be annexed?
^ With the city of St. Louis being legally independent of any county I’m not sure if that would be possible. Now, if the city were to re-enter the county as a municipality...then some annexations could take place with bordering municipalities and unincorporated areas (with a vote of both, presumably). Having said that, I’m certainly no expert on this. I would imagine the city’s current independent status would cause problems though.
Does Fenton really cross into Jefferson County? Every map I have doesn't show that.
Pacific does. And Kansas City
As for St. Louis City annexing anything. According to the language in the constitution if someone wanted their property annexed it would take a BoF process, proposal, then a vote of the city and all of the county. I've wondered if the language in the MO constitution is meant to be A way or the ONLY way. In practice it's been the only way given that none of the properties bisected by the city/county line were put wholly in one or the other.
Pacific does. And Kansas City
As for St. Louis City annexing anything. According to the language in the constitution if someone wanted their property annexed it would take a BoF process, proposal, then a vote of the city and all of the county. I've wondered if the language in the MO constitution is meant to be A way or the ONLY way. In practice it's been the only way given that none of the properties bisected by the city/county line were put wholly in one or the other.
It does not.quincunx wrote: ↑Jul 10, 2020Does Fenton really cross into Jefferson County? Every map I have doesn't show that.
63026, which is the postal zip code for Fenton, encompasses a much larger area than the city proper, and nearly half of that zip code lies in Jeffco. As such, somebody who lives in the unincorporated portion of Jeffco that borders Fenton probably lists their home address as "Fenton, MO 63026". I think that's the source of confusion.
https://www.fentonmo.org/Archive/ViewFile/Item/237
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Huh. So even if Fenton doesn’t, there are plenty of other examples in Missouri:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... e_counties
Either way, that wasn’t my main point. It was more so to understand what potential loopholes might exist to get even part of the city to be within the county and if annexation might be a way to challenge rules and laws.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... e_counties
Either way, that wasn’t my main point. It was more so to understand what potential loopholes might exist to get even part of the city to be within the county and if annexation might be a way to challenge rules and laws.
I would expect fear mongering about city annexation if city reentry were ever on the ballot.
The largest city in America exists within five different counties, each coterminous with the borough it represents: New York County (Manhattan), Kings County (Brooklyn), Bronx County (The Bronx), Richmond County (Staten Island), and Queens County (Queens).chaifetz10 wrote: ↑Jul 11, 2020Huh. So even if Fenton doesn’t, there are plenty of other examples in Missouri:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... e_counties
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Pacific has a portion in St. Louis County but is mostly in Franklin County.
One thing worth noting in Fenton is I see a lot of 19thj century maps that I think wrongly puts it in Jefferson County since its drawn with the Meremec as the entire southern boundary of St. Louis County. One thing it does bring up is why is there a part of St. Louis County south of the Meremec in the first place? Its interesting they either didn't use completely a straight latitude line or the river and has to be a reason.
One thing worth noting in Fenton is I see a lot of 19thj century maps that I think wrongly puts it in Jefferson County since its drawn with the Meremec as the entire southern boundary of St. Louis County. One thing it does bring up is why is there a part of St. Louis County south of the Meremec in the first place? Its interesting they either didn't use completely a straight latitude line or the river and has to be a reason.
I wouldn’t be surprised either, but only the most ignorant will fall for that. The City can’t annex any land, even after re-entry without a vote of both places right? It’s not like they can just come in and start taking places over as they see fit.
No, but opponents will be happy to insinuate that it is. There's a lot of Nervous Nelly's in south County that will be the focus of "The Monster is Coming" messaging.
Normandy (pop 5008) and Glen Echo Park (pop 160) are applying to the St. Louis County Boundary Commission to put consolidation on the November ballot. Let's get more of these!
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What would need to happen for multiple munis to consolidate? Say for instance if all the munis of County Council District 4 wanted to consolidate into one?quincunx wrote: ↑Jul 11, 2020Normandy (pop 5008) and Glen Echo Park (pop 160) are applying to the St. Louis County Boundary Commission to put consolidation on the November ballot. Let's get more of these!Normandy and Glen Echo Park Merger.png
I suppose something similar to what Normandy and Glen Echo Park are doing.
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I just thought I'd ask because there only seems to ever be two munis at a time consolidating.
Like, why aren't any of the other munis bordering Normandy included?
Like, why aren't any of the other munis bordering Normandy included?