The most obvious benefit would be economies of scale. Why try running two of everything for double the costs? That's what we're doing. If we work together, the City can free up capital and invest these newly-liberated monies towards hiring more police and increasing training programs. I'd also think that, since crime doesn't recognize borders, cooperative working relationships between the City & County PDs could lead to more crimes being solved and more neighborhoods being constructively policed across jurisdictions, all of which would reduce total crime in the City & County.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2021^But what good does contracting with the county do us in the city? I don't think we need or would get more or cheaper police from a merger. Does it get us better police? Has not the County PD had more or less all the same issues as the Metro PD anyway? Is County PD actually any better? Or are they just more expensive and less answerable to city hall? What do we get for this. Salary parity only means something if we get better cops in the deal. Do we? Do we get less mistreatment? Do we get better traffic enforcement? What is the purpose of this? If you want to ask the city to give up control what concrete benefit do we the non-police people that live here get in exchange?
I don't know about that, these are gov jobs there is no such thing as synergies. everyone protects whats theirsgone corporate wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2021The most obvious benefit would be economies of scale. Why try running two of everything for double the costs? That's what we're doing. If we work together, the City can free up capital and invest these newly-liberated monies towards hiring more police and increasing training programs. I'd also think that, since crime doesn't recognize borders, cooperative working relationships between the City & County PDs could lead to more crimes being solved and more neighborhoods being constructively policed across jurisdictions, all of which would reduce total crime in the City & County.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2021^But what good does contracting with the county do us in the city? I don't think we need or would get more or cheaper police from a merger. Does it get us better police? Has not the County PD had more or less all the same issues as the Metro PD anyway? Is County PD actually any better? Or are they just more expensive and less answerable to city hall? What do we get for this. Salary parity only means something if we get better cops in the deal. Do we? Do we get less mistreatment? Do we get better traffic enforcement? What is the purpose of this? If you want to ask the city to give up control what concrete benefit do we the non-police people that live here get in exchange?
Crime has gone down pretty significantly in the last 10 years in the Tower Grove area. I have no issues with anyone requesting more police or resources, but I just think everyone should be on the same page regarding the data. If things continue the way they are headed the TG area will be one of the safest places in the region in 5-10 years. Im not sure whose to credit for the crime reduction, but it has happened.kipfilet wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2021With all the caveats that relate to the over/underpolicing debate, we could certainly use more police in the Tower Grove area. Pretty much everyone in my (racially and economically diverse) block thinks the same, and we keep petitioning for it.
We very rarely see any police patrolling the neighborhood and it's a high property crime area with the occasional shooting. I always wonder where all the police are in St. Louis.
I completely agree. Whether or not we like it, that is exactly what corporate America is doing. And, in some cases it overhead that is removed. You don't need to chief of polices; you don't need two mayors. And, my opinion, this is exactly why municipalities don't like the idea. It risks their jobs OR jobs of their friends / family. So, they use scare tactics to encourage the people to fight against it. "They will consolidate schools and our district will suffer" or "they will effect your taxes". So frustrating to me. We NEED to work together. There must be some way to get consolidation done for the betterment of our community. Either get pro consolidation official elected or get the current leaders to act.gone corporate wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2021The most obvious benefit would be economies of scale. Why try running two of everything for double the costs? That's what we're doing. If we work together, the City can free up capital and invest these newly-liberated monies towards hiring more police and increasing training programs. I'd also think that, since crime doesn't recognize borders, cooperative working relationships between the City & County PDs could lead to more crimes being solved and more neighborhoods being constructively policed across jurisdictions, all of which would reduce total crime in the City & County.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Jan 19, 2021^But what good does contracting with the county do us in the city? I don't think we need or would get more or cheaper police from a merger. Does it get us better police? Has not the County PD had more or less all the same issues as the Metro PD anyway? Is County PD actually any better? Or are they just more expensive and less answerable to city hall? What do we get for this. Salary parity only means something if we get better cops in the deal. Do we? Do we get less mistreatment? Do we get better traffic enforcement? What is the purpose of this? If you want to ask the city to give up control what concrete benefit do we the non-police people that live here get in exchange?
